Survivor's addiction to wokeness caused them to sabotage their own tribal.  

Knowing who the second group was targeting, as soon as Rox went over to the jury, I thought to myself, "Oh no...."

Not really sure what the producers could have done differently, I don't think it was concocted for false drama or anything, just a very bad set of circumstances, set up by one group not knowing what the other was doing and vice versa.  None of them were expecting Rox to be there, but I kinda sorta understood Omar and Hai's thought process on getting him out and clearly Romeo taking whatever life line he was offered.  That said, Mike's argument against was legit, and I would imagine the regrouping at camp is going to be a little awkward.

I thought the girls reaction walking into the second tribal was legit and understandable, but in the end if you black, white, gay, straight, man, woman, Muslim or Christian, everyone has to be voted out.

32 minutes ago, Gern Blanston said:

Knowing who the second group was targeting, as soon as Rox went over to the jury, I thought to myself, "Oh no...."

Not really sure what the producers could have done differently, I don't think it was concocted for false drama or anything, just a very bad set of circumstances, set up by one group not knowing what the other was doing and vice versa.  None of them were expecting Rox to be there, but I kinda sorta understood Omar and Hai's thought process on getting him out and clearly Romeo taking whatever life line he was offered.  That said, Mike's argument against was legit, and I would imagine the regrouping at camp is going to be a little awkward.

I thought the girls reaction walking into the second tribal was legit and understandable, but in the end if you black, white, gay, straight, man, woman, Muslim or Christian, everyone has to be voted out.

This. If Jonathan’s group goes first, the episode goes an entirely different direction. I imagine whoever is left of Maryanne and Drea would raise the point at the next tribal because it would have come to fruition.

My problem with the way it was handled after Drea raised her concern. By having the vote in public, it did a few things. One it put Lyndsey at greater risk because it guaranteed Tori would play the shot in the dark. It forced one of the players to force Maryanne and Drea to play their idols. Not that they wouldn’t have otherwise, but if they do the voting at the confessional, Drea and Maryanne would naturally play the idol in response to Jeff’s question. By doing a live vote, Jonathan had to ask the question which optically makes it look like he’s the reason they had to play it. It’s not true, but that’s the perception.
 

Honestly, I don’t mind the conversations about race, or representation etc. I just hate that it comes in a very contrived format where people are forced to respond to questions rather than having an actual conversation about it, all under the looming threat of someone is going home. Jonathan and Omar having a conversation about religion. Great. Yul talking about representation on the beach. Great. Hai and Romeo talking about representation and culture on the beach. Great. Shan and Liana sharing their similar life stories on shipwheel island, Great! All because those are natural conversations where you can be more candid and genuine in your responses.  Tribal counsel is absolutely the worse place to have these conversations and yet I feel like the producers and Jeff in particular are trying to make these moments more and more and it just undercuts the value. 

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Everyone is racist they just don’t know it!!!!!!!

 

Drea voted out channel though right? So did the stay at home dad, who got voted out by minorities and Mike. claiming it’s about race and then not about race. It’s pathetic. Channel and the stay at home dad got voted out cause they sucked. Drea was gonna get voted out because she was good. 
 

 

 

 

On 4/29/2022 at 4:59 PM, 20Safety_Hazards said:

 Tribal counsel is absolutely the worse place to have these conversations and yet I feel like the producers and Jeff in particular are trying to make these moments more and more and it just undercuts the value. 

I do wonder if someone, at some point, will fear they will be voted off and then use this as a tactic to try to stay in the game.

28 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said:

I do wonder if someone, at some point, will fear they will be voted off and then use this as a tactic to try to stay in the game.

Honestly, that was Maryanne and Drea’s point. They felt they had to play their idol or else people would claim they survived by "playing the race card.”  So by burning their idol they can say they survived by the idol and not by talking about race.

On 4/28/2022 at 1:37 PM, Kz! said:

Survivor's addiction to wokeness caused them to sabotage their own tribal.  

honestly, as bad as this was , it wasn't close to what happened on the latest Top Chef episode. I took it off my DVR entirely. 

for whoever didn't watch, it was a Juneteenth centric episode, with soul and familial inspiration behind the dish being the motivating factor in what you created and were judged on. So the different cultures all created something soulful and eccentric, which the judges loved. Then all 9 were lined up and were told they were all great, besides one. The last remaining white guy, who did a meatloaf inspired dish based on the way his mother used to make it. That wasn't soulful enough I guess. 

On 4/29/2022 at 4:30 PM, Gern Blanston said:

Knowing who the second group was targeting, as soon as Rox went over to the jury, I thought to myself, "Oh no...."

Not really sure what the producers could have done differently, I don't think it was concocted for false drama or anything, just a very bad set of circumstances, set up by one group not knowing what the other was doing and vice versa.  None of them were expecting Rox to be there, but I kinda sorta understood Omar and Hai's thought process on getting him out and clearly Romeo taking whatever life line he was offered.  That said, Mike's argument against was legit, and I would imagine the regrouping at camp is going to be a little awkward.

I thought the girls reaction walking into the second tribal was legit and understandable, but in the end if you black, white, gay, straight, man, woman, Muslim or Christian, everyone has to be voted out.

this is an argument to do away with splitting the tribe up into two mini tribes with this amount of time to go, maybe. Suddenly you get to the merge and feel good about yourself and the amount of people remaining, but they split the tribe into two based on random draw and then do two smaller, more dramatic tribal councils.  5 years ago this was fine and good TV. Today, you see what can become of moments like this. Suddenly the competitors don't like who they see sitting on the jury so they throw a fit and derail the game.  

so this wasn't enough: https://ew.com/tv/cbs-reality-series-casting-representation/

what next? do we need a people of color only season? good luck with the ratings on that. 

On 5/2/2022 at 2:26 PM, JBENT87 said:

honestly, as bad as this was , it wasn't close to what happened on the latest Top Chef episode. I took it off my DVR entirely. 

for whoever didn't watch, it was a Juneteenth centric episode, with soul and familial inspiration behind the dish being the motivating factor in what you created and were judged on. So the different cultures all created something soulful and eccentric, which the judges loved. Then all 9 were lined up and were told they were all great, besides one. The last remaining white guy, who did a meatloaf inspired dish based on the way his mother used to make it. That wasn't soulful enough I guess. 

this is an argument to do away with splitting the tribe up into two mini tribes with this amount of time to go, maybe. Suddenly you get to the merge and feel good about yourself and the amount of people remaining, but they split the tribe into two based on random draw and then do two smaller, more dramatic tribal councils.  5 years ago this was fine and good TV. Today, you see what can become of moments like this. Suddenly the competitors don't like who they see sitting on the jury so they throw a fit and derail the game.  

so this wasn't enough: https://ew.com/tv/cbs-reality-series-casting-representation/

what next? do we need a people of color only season? good luck with the ratings on that. 

I mean Cook Islands was 75% POC and it’s one of the best seasons they had.  On the flip side, Fiji was also 75% POC (in part to minimize the claim that Cook Islands theme was "race wars” - a concern that almost resulted in Yul declining to join the cast) and Fiji was meh. That cast was just okay and that final tribal counsel was pretty brutal to watch.  If casted well, people will watch. 

20 hours ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

 If casted well, people will watch. 

100% SPOT ON!!! - I don't care what their race, religion or sexual preference is, just give me interesting people, game play and competition.  They all have to cut each others throats at some point.

Last two episodes have been wild. I hate do or die two episodes ago, but everything else the last two episodes has been very enjoyable game play. 

On 5/19/2022 at 8:53 AM, 20Safety_Hazards said:

Last two episodes have been wild. I hate do or die two episodes ago, but everything else the last two episodes has been very enjoyable game play. 

Agreed....great TWO blindsides!  

Know 20's dim view on All Star seasons, but can easily see a few from this season returning at some point in the future.  Jonathon, Mike, Maryann, Omer, Drea would all be candidates IMO.

21 hours ago, Gern Blanston said:

Know 20's dim view on All Star seasons, but can easily see a few from this season returning at some point in the future.  Jonathon, Mike, Maryann, Omer, Drea would all be candidates IMO.

(I'm assuming I am the "20" you are referring to.).  For the record, I'm not against All Star Seasons, I'm against Returnees with newbies seasons. Two of my favorite seasons of all time are Second Chances and HvV.   But I generally hate the idea of fans v. favs and I absolutely hate captain seasons.  Philippines is the only good season with returnee captains. But Redemption Island, South Pacific, Fans v. Favs 2, Edge of Extinction are all just not great seasons.  Blood v. Water works because the returnees are paired with the newbies, but generally I hate the idea of veteran players who know the game going against those who are playing for the first time.  

To the question, I think the last two seasons has a core group of players who would absolutely be invited back.   Jonathon, Mike, Maryanne, Omar, Drea, and Tori are all slam dunk characters or players that I could see survivor inviting back.  Last season, Ricard, Shan, Xander, and Naseer are all pretty easy locks.  The rumor is no one before Game Changers will return for awhile, but from the mid to late 30s seasons I think we see Dom and Lauel from Ghost Island, Angelina, Mike, Christian, Davie, and Gabby from DvG (honestly, they could bring half this cast back it was that good), Rick Devens and Wardog from Edge, and Elaine, Kirishma, and Janet from IoI.  (For the record, I don't necessary love all the people from this list, I'm just predicting the characters the show loves). 

LOL - I just remember you weren't crazy about them, but to be fair it was during a period where they were seemingly doing something with returnees every other season or so.

Agree - not crazy when you put experienced players up against newbies, unless in the BvW concept where they sort of have a built in mentor.

Don't disagree with any of the names you mentioned as potential returns.  Good call on Tori, can very easily see her back - especially in a villain role...

25 minutes ago, Gern Blanston said:

LOL - I just remember you weren't crazy about them, but to be fair it was during a period where they were seemingly doing something with returnees every other season or so.

Agree - not crazy when you put experienced players up against newbies, unless in the BvW concept where they sort of have a built in mentor.

Don't disagree with any of the names you mentioned as potential returns.  Good call on Tori, can very easily see her back - especially in a villain role...

There was a period of time where Jeff just kept trying to get his favorite players a win.  He so badly wanted Russell, Boston Rob, and Ozzy to win. He got 1 out of 3.  He loved Joe and honestly any challenge beast.  Kelly Wentworth got multiple cuts even though her first time out was pretty pedestrian and honestly, without her idol play, she's middle of the pack again in Second Chances.   Jeff clearly has his favorites, and often its not the audiences favorites. That's probably why Second Chances was so good because the audience got to decide.  Frankly, I hope they do Second Chances again.  

23 hours ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

 Frankly, I hope they do Second Chances again.  

I am surprised they haven't at this point.  Another Blood/Water wouldnt shock me either.

2 hours ago, Gern Blanston said:

I am surprised they haven't at this point.  Another Blood/Water wouldnt shock me either.

Australia just did a Blood vs. Water. Sandra (from U.S. Survivor) was on it with her daughter. I haven't watched the season yet, so I don't know how well or poorly she did.

I gotta give Maryanne credit, she destroyed that final tribal counsel.  I don’t necessarily think she was the best contestant this season, she definitely put in the best argument at final tribal. 

On 5/27/2022 at 8:22 PM, 20Safety_Hazards said:

I gotta give Maryanne credit, she destroyed that final tribal counsel.  I don’t necessarily think she was the best contestant this season, she definitely put in the best argument at final tribal. 

I was rooting for Mike, but I can understand why she swayed the jury. I would have been annoyed if Romeo had won.

 

On 5/29/2022 at 1:15 AM, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I was rooting for Mike, but I can understand why she swayed the jury. I would have been annoyed if Romeo had won.

 

100% agree. Honestly, I was in the anyone but Romeo camp going into the finale. Not because I did not like him, I actually think he played a great premerge game. But his game did nothing to influence the game and if I were a juror I need to know what you did to control the game. I do think he argued the case well, but he would need both Maryanne and Mike to basically start openly insulting the jury to have any shot at the win. 

Mike lost the game after Maryanne revealed the hidden idol and why she didn’t play it, because it proved to the jury that she had a complete understanding of her place in the game. Mike needed to provide the jury with that road map. Mike needed to really set out how he was always in control (even if he wasn't calling the shots he was in on the plan) and influenced the majority alliance. He didn't do that and that is what cost him the game.  If Mike owns his game as a playing up the honor card to manipulate those around him, and explains how he was on the right side of every vote he wins 5-3 maybe even 6-2.  But he got locked in on his, i didn’t betray anyone but rocksroy story and backfired hard!

On 5/25/2022 at 6:10 PM, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Australia just did a Blood vs. Water. Sandra (from U.S. Survivor) was on it with her daughter. I haven't watched the season yet, so I don't know how well or poorly she did.

How do you watch the Australian survivor? I watched seasons 1-6 on either Amazon or paramount but haven’t seen a season 7. Also how many seasons are there because looking it up their BvW is either season 7 or 9?

1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said:

How do you watch the Australian survivor? I watched seasons 1-6 on either Amazon or paramount but haven’t seen a season 7. Also how many seasons are there because looking it up their BvW is either season 7 or 9?

That can be a tricky question (how many seasons). They did two or three seasons back in the early 2000's and flopped. Then they started up again using a format more like ours with a new host and all that, a few years ago. So it's like two different shows but some people count the first seasons along with the newer seasons, some don't. 

To those that count all seasons, Blood vs Water is season 9. To those that don't, season 7. 

As for how to watch it, I found them in streaming form on Daily Motion (here's the link for part 1 of episode 1 of this new season: Episode 1 ) I don't watch on there, though. Too many ads. I download the torrents on Lime Torrents.

I have the entire season saved on my server, but haven't watched it yet. My brother did, though and he liked it. In fact, he likes Australian Survivor a lot more so than US Survivor. 

If you can't find them on Daily Motion (on that link), let me know and I'll see what I can do. 

On 5/29/2022 at 1:15 AM, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I was rooting for Mike, but I can understand why she swayed the jury. I would have been annoyed if Romeo had won.

 

 

On 5/30/2022 at 1:28 PM, 20Safety_Hazards said:

100% agree. Honestly, I was in the anyone but Romeo camp going into the finale. Not because I did not like him, I actually think he played a great premerge game. But his game did nothing to influence the game and if I were a juror I need to know what you did to control the game. I do think he argued the case well, but he would need both Maryanne and Mike to basically start openly insulting the jury to have any shot at the win. 

Mike lost the game after Maryanne revealed the hidden idol and why she didn’t play it, because it proved to the jury that she had a complete understanding of her place in the game. Mike needed to provide the jury with that road map. Mike needed to really set out how he was always in control (even if he wasn't calling the shots he was in on the plan) and influenced the majority alliance. He didn't do that and that is what cost him the game.  If Mike owns his game as a playing up the honor card to manipulate those around him, and explains how he was on the right side of every vote he wins 5-3 maybe even 6-2.  But he got locked in on his, i didn’t betray anyone but rocksroy story and backfired hard!

Agreed as well, Maryanne's jury pitch was easily one of the best ones I can remember, especially when she laid out how those final tribals went.  Mike and her both played a strong social game.  I wonder how Jonathan would have done had he beat Mike making fire.  Physically dominant, but he brushed some fur backwards on a few members of the jury.

Ok way late to season. Really was hoping for Jonathon entire time and amazed he lasted as long as he did. But congrats to Marianne for pulling it out. She would drive me up a wall. I hate emotional people and they annoy the crap out of me, but Mike totally fumbled the final and she killed it. 

 

Curious if jonathon made it if he had a shot. I don’t think so. I think it would have been major bitter jury dismissing the physical dominance because he was short with Lindsay

 

and read post above. yeah sorry basically said same thing Gern  already said. 

 

Much better season than last

So when is the next season going to start?