January 13, 20223 yr Author Just now, Toastrel said: Not going to happen. Work together is now equivalent to treason, for the party crap birds in both parties. Which bodes well for no one.
January 13, 20223 yr Government is broken. I believe the filibuster is overused. I don’t know if it must go away completely, but its use should be limited.
January 13, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: GF bought me this tome for my bday last year: @DrPhilly, I'm sure you appreciate the inclusion of "both sides" here
January 13, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Not going to happen. Work together is now equivalent to treason, for the party crap birds in both parties. Then it should be harder for them to work alone. If the voters want them to ram their agenda through then they'll tell them that by voting them huge majorities. In this case the Democrats won the white house partly because their candidate promised not to end the filibuster. Sucks for them.
January 13, 20223 yr Yeah, removing a system of checks within the government is always a good idea. I can't wait for the argument points to completely switch when Repubs get the majority like the Dems have now. The Repubs will be all about getting rid of it then, while the Dems will screech about how we need the filibuster because it prevents authoritarian rule
January 13, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Then it should be harder for them to work alone. If the voters want them to ram their agenda through then they'll tell them that by voting them huge majorities. In this case the Democrats won the white house partly because their candidate promised not to end the filibuster. Sucks for them. Just pointing out the fallacy of your work together plan. I have no doubts that as soon a GOP person puts this forth when they have the majority, you will be 100% onboard and in support of what you rail against today.
January 13, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Which bodes well for no one. True, but that is the problem with the Pandora's box used by the right and left to demonize the other side. Now everything is black and white, us and them, and them is always EVIL and wants to DESTROY the world.
January 13, 20223 yr My prediction is, if the Republicans take control of Congress, they will do what the Dems are now unable to do, and end the filibuster to promote their autocratic agenda.
January 13, 20223 yr Just now, Toastrel said: Just pointing out the fallacy of your work together plan. I have no doubts that as soon a GOP person puts this forth when they have the majority, you will be 100% onboard and in support of what you rail against today. Fighting fallacy with fallacy. Who can argue with that.
January 13, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, toolg said: Government is broken. I believe the filibuster is overused. I don’t know if it must go away completely, but its use should be limited. there has to be some common ground to work with. i'm not even sure what that would be at this point, but the bigger issue is, it's an all or nothing mentality out there. ride or die or F you.
January 13, 20223 yr The entire foundation of American government is the idea that you have to work together to get things done. You can have different parties that will have their different opinions, agendas, etc. but the idea of compromise and meeting in the middle is the entire Fing point. No one person or group is supposed to rule over the country unchecked. So of course the only reasonable move is to get rid of something that forces them to do that. Everything would work just fine if these a-holes in Washington gave a crap about anything higher or outside of themselves.
January 13, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: My prediction is, if the Republicans take control of Congress, they will do what the Dems are now unable to do, and end the filibuster to promote their autocratic agenda. And yet they didn't when they had control a short time ago. Weird.
January 13, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, The_Omega said: And yet they didn't when they had control a short time ago. Weird. Why, no party has ever done!! WOW!~!
January 13, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, The_Omega said: And yet they didn't when they had control a short time ago. Weird. McConnell eliminated the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees in 2017 in order to get Gorsuch on the bench.
January 13, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: McConnell eliminated the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees in 2017 in order to get Gorsuch on the bench. Yes, and this supports my prediction that they will do it, if they regain control of Congress. Also, let's not forget, he refused to hold hearings, let alone a vote, on Obama's nominee, for an entire year. McConnell doesn't play fair, why should Democrats?
January 13, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: McConnell eliminated the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees in 2017 in order to get Gorsuch on the bench. After Harry Reid had eliminated for judicial nominees, and refused to go further. And there was no push from within for him to go further. Not even for abortion. They may wind up proving me wrong, and I'll oppose it. I'll lose though, because you'll support their efforts, right?
January 13, 20223 yr Author …and then we have the POTUS veto raising the bar to 2/3 should the sitting POTUS not be from the same party as the 51% in Congress. Shall we do away with that as well?
January 13, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, sameaglesfan said: Remind me why we would get rid of it again? So the Democrats can institutionalize voter fraud and install a permanent communist regime in the U.S.
January 13, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: Everyone I don't agree with is a Communist. Do tell...
January 13, 20223 yr Just now, Boogyman said: Do tell... What would you like me to tell you comrade? 1 hour ago, The_Omega said: After Harry Reid had eliminated for judicial nominees, and refused to go further. And there was no push from within for him to go further. Not even for abortion. They may wind up proving me wrong, and I'll oppose it. I'll lose though, because you'll support their efforts, right? What selective memories they have.
January 13, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Procus said: What would you like me to tell you comrade? What selective memories they have. Did you know Hitler was a painter?
January 13, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, The_Omega said: After Harry Reid had eliminated for judicial nominees, and refused to go further. And there was no push from within for him to go further. Not even for abortion. They may wind up proving me wrong, and I'll oppose it. I'll lose though, because you'll support their efforts, right? I'm not sure what's right at this point. But like others have said, I believe that the Republicans are primed to do exactly this the next time the have the majority. Mitch has shown himself to be nothing if not cold and calculating. In the current environment, I think that failing to eliminate it while in power is willfully ceding the last bit of leverage that the left still has. I do like the idea of returning to a "talking filibuster" as a compromise, though.
January 14, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I'm not sure what's right at this point. But like others have said, I believe that the Republicans are primed to do exactly this the next time the have the majority. Mitch has shown himself to be nothing if not cold and calculating. In the current environment, I think that failing to eliminate it while in power is willfully ceding the last bit of leverage that the left still has. I do like the idea of returning to a "talking filibuster" as a compromise, though. If they do, I’ll be against it. I don’t think they will, but the Republicans disappoint me all the time.
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