Was it Better to Be Embarrassed?

[time2rock]

Obviously best case would have been a W today.  But with that not being in the cards, is it better that we lost in embarrassing fashion?  I wonder if that will force them to take a harder look at just where this team stacks up compared to the better teams in the league and not delude themselves into thinking we’re closer than we really are just because we made the playoffs.  

[xxeaglesfanxx]

Nope because now it’s more likely no one hires Gannon as a HC.

[NOTW]

Hopefully it exposes weakness and needs and forces change. 

[Green_Guinness]

Hopefully it shows the FO how far off we are from the real playoff teams who have a chance at making a SB run.  Today's game should show them we need to upgrade the roster, mostly on the D side of the ball, and that we need to find our QB of the future because that player is not currently on our roster.  How they go about finding that QB is going to be the big question as it will have repercussions, whether positive or negative, for years to come. 

 

[Bwestbrook36]

I never expected being in a payoff game this year let alone win one. So as far as that goes it doesn't matter to me if they were embarrassed, I'm just glad they got there. 

As for being embarrassed being good for the team yes I think it was better. Gave them experience but, at the same time showed them they still have a lot of work to do to truly compete. Unless of course they are completely delusional, with Howie that's also possible. 

[Bwestbrook36]

1 minute ago, Green_Guinness said:

Hopefully it shows the FO how far off we are from the real playoff teams who have a chance at making a SB run.  Today's game should show them we need to upgrade the roster, mostly on the D side of the ball, and that we need to find our QB of the future because that player is not currently on our roster.  How they go about finding that QB is going to be the big question as it will have repercussions, whether positive or negative, for years to come. 

 

I really don't think they will want another full season of Hurts. I'm not sure it's the right decision to bring someone in as soon as next year but, I just don't think they will want to repeat this. Unless there is a QB they are absolutely in love with for 2023 and they are ok waiting another year while they build other parts of the team. 

[Mike030270]

Probably but it sure as hell wasn't fun to witness 

[EagleMatt]

Was expecting a closer game but i definitely felt better about the score vs having 0 pts for.

[NCTANK]

yes

[Green_Guinness]

WHEW.

Now just get 1 first down.

 

[Random Reglar]

3 hours ago, time2rock said:

Obviously best case would have been a W today.  But with that not being in the cards, is it better that we lost in embarrassing fashion?  I wonder if that will force them to take a harder look at just where this team stacks up compared to the better teams in the league and not delude themselves into thinking we’re closer than we really are just because we made the playoffs.  

I think that the Eagles have 3 first round draft picks and plan to draft good new players.  They also have money to spend on free agents.   I think they will.

I think they knew even before the game that the Bucs have superior talent.

Losing a close game in the last minutes would have been more disappointing than losing by 2 scores,  which isn't really that embarrassing.  Not a good result, but the Bills beat the Patriots by more.

It doesn't really matter, because almost nobody,  including the people here, thought the Eagles would win.   I took the position that the Eagles Could win,  If they did some new, innovative things in the run game.   And not having the only big back they have run the ball even one time was not what I was talking about in terms of run innovation. 

[EagleJoe8]

12 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I think that the Eagles have 3 first round draft picks and plan to draft good new players.  They also have money to spend on free agents.   I think they will.

I think they knew even before the game that the Bucs have superior talent.

Losing a close game in the last minutes would have been more disappointing than losing by 2 scores,  which isn't really that embarrassing.  Not a good result, but the Bills beat the Patriots by more.

It doesn't really matter, because almost nobody,  including the people here, thought the Eagles would win.   I took the position that the Eagles Could win,  If they did some new, innovative things in the run game.   And not having the only big back they have run the ball even one time was not what I was talking about in terms of run innovation. 

[Bwestbrook36]

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

New innovative running the ball every down!! Who would stop it? Only team that would stop it would be a team that built their team like they were before the forward pass was invented. You fools!! 

[EagleJoe8]

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

New innovative running the ball every down!! Who would stop it? Only team that would stop it would be a team that built their team like they were before the forward pass was invented. You fools!! 

I was more reffering to his idea that their plan is to draft good new players.

 

You know, as opposed to a plan to draft old sheety players.

[Bwestbrook36]

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

I was more reffering to his idea that their plan is to draft good new players.

 

You know, as opposed to a plan to draft old sheety players.

I know but, we all know he meant draft more super weaponnnzzzz that can run!!! 

My brain shut off after reading that he thinks they have 3 picks. 

[Bwestbrook36]

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I was more reffering to his idea that their plan is to draft good new players.

 

You know, as opposed to a plan to draft old sheety players.

The one post he said they need a better blocking oline and they need to draft more skill players that can block...... He has no ideas

[EagleJoe8]

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

The one post he said they need a better blocking oline and they need to draft more skill players that can block...... He has no ideas

I figured that much the first time he used the term "Super Weapon", and meant it. It tells me it's a 15 or 16 year old speaking.

[Bwestbrook36]

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I figured that much the first time he used the term "Super Weapon", and meant it. It tells me it's a 15 or 16 year old speaking.

No way man, he called Terrell Pryor being a great super weaponnnzzzz. That was like 10 yrs ago bro. He is at least 18

[Random Reglar]

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I really don't think they will want another full season of Hurts. I'm not sure it's the right decision to bring someone in as soon as next year but, I just don't think they will want to repeat this. Unless there is a QB they are absolutely in love with for 2023 and they are ok waiting another year while they build other parts of the team. 

hurts had a winning record.  making a change probably means more losses.   I think the Eagles might want to repeat a winning record. 

The Patriots lost to the Bills, big.   You think the Patriots are going to replace Mac Jones?

What about the 18 teams who didn't make the playoffs?   You think they're all getting rid of their QBs?

Hurts took the Eagle to the playoffs.  And very cheaply.

Add more talent.   A run first team should have a great, powerful, running back.   They don't.  They have a great run blocking OL,  but they don't have a running back that I'd call great.   If I'm Siri,  I'm probably thinking "I miss Jonathan Taylor from the Colts."

And the defense improved,  in part by playing teams like the Giants and Washington at the end of the season, but still improved, but they could use some more pieces of high quality talent.

Some QBs on their rookie deals are better than Hurts.   But more than that are worse.  The average first round pick is worse than Hurts. 

Making a change from Hurts probably leads to worse outcomes than staying with Hurts for the next 2 years.   The Bucs are just a better team and we knew that 12 hours ago. And the better team won.   Just like everyone expected.    Lamar Jackson is better than Jalen Hurts.  He won the MVP and the Ravens went 14-2 in the regular season.   Then, in the playoffs, they lost their first game. 

I predict that,  by the end of tomorrow night, 6 playoff teams will have lost.   And, of course,  we can expect all those QBs to be fired, cut or traded,  because there is not a team in the nfl who doesn't want to win the Super Bowl every single year.  And none of those 6 QBs who lost or will lose will be winning the Super Bowl this year.

I'm just not at all sure why people think the QB of the 9-8 team is somehow worse than the QB of all of the 18 teams who didn't even make the playoffs.

Do people here actually think it's normal to want to replace a QB who takes the team to the playoffs in his first year as a starter?   Does "let's replace a guy who leads the team to 9-8,  who has 2 more years with a really cheap contract with a guy who didn't make the playoffs this year" sound like rational thought at all?"  

I'd say that the general almost completely solid rule is that if you have a QB who costs nothing and gets you to the playoffs 100% of the time as a starter,  you give him the job as long as you can have him costing nothing.

Basically,  you can trade Hurts for Mac Jones.  There is no other QB who 1) is cheap and 2) takes the team to the playoffs every single year as the primary starter. 

Hurts has a record of one game under 500.   Same as Kyler Murray.  Same as Burrow.  Lamar Jackson, another great runner,  has a career record of 37-12. 
 

Jalen Hurts - 1 playoff.  1/1
Kyler Murray - 1 playoff, 2 no  1/3
Mac Jones - 1 playoff. 1/1
Joe Burrow - 1 playoff, 1 no 1/2

those are the cheap rookie deal QBs who took their teams to the playoff this year.  I could see trading Hurts for one of those 3, if they wanted to go in a different direction.  The value is about the same.   Those players are young, cheap and get results.

[Random Reglar]

32 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

the brilliant plan was to make the trades to get the picks.

Getting rid of Wentz,  taking the short term cap hit of $30 Million in order to make the financial future better, that was a very good move.  There is no way they could've expected to make the playoffs, being so behind cap wise.  But they did.  Very impressive.

Hurts made the playoffs.

I'd trade Hurts for Tom Brady.  I'd trade Hurts for Aaron Rodgers. 

But some people seem to think that it's not an excellent accomplishment to take the Eagles to the playoffs under these conditions.

Those other choices that people want the Eagles to make are 1) Expensive or 2) completely unproven or 3) aren't as good as you think at winning.  

If Watson was so great,  why didn't the Texans win last year?    4-12 is a bad record.

9-8 is a solid record,  and Hurts costs nothing,  the system is in place,  tweaks are needed but nothing that serious.    No reason to make a change.

Hurts contract is up after the 2023 season.

If the Eagles want Mac Jones,  that's a fair head to head trade.   Both Jones and Hurts have taken their team to the playoffs every single year they're the primary starter.   And they're on their cheap rookie deals.   

The Texans want, what, 3 first rounders for Watson?  Why, because he went 4-12 last year?  Or is because he costs $40 Million?   And apparently  he has off the field issues that concern some.

Hurts is really valuable.  Because you don't have to pay him much.  Similar quality but much higher cost is less valuable.

Maybe in 2 years, after talent is added,   many good draft picks and money on free agents,  if, after that additional talent, Hurts doesn't get past the wildcard round,  maybe you get Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. 

The average first round draft pick will be worse than Jalen Hurts.  Most quality QB options cost a lot of money on a per year basis, and it costs resources to get them unless they're FAs.  With Jalen Hurts, you have a young cheap QB who very likely will either stay as good as he is, or get better.  Good enough to go 9-8 the next 2 years.   And, again, very cheaply.   1 million instead of 30-40 million.   That's very important.  The Eagles might think "we don't like Jalen Hurts that much, we like Aaron Rodgers.   But he costs a lot of money.   But if we save cap room, we can afford Aaron Rodgers in 2 years."  

The Raiders drafted Derek Carr in 2014.   Since then he has played almost every game.   He made his first playoff start on Saturday.  He also lost.   Carr has 1 playoff start in 8 years.   Poor poor record, a "this guy should be a backup because he doesn't win" record.  But some want the Eagles to get him.  

Hurts has a perfect 100% record of getting the Eagles to the playoffs in seasons he's the primary starter.  You want this.  It makes no sense that anybody could not want this.   I can see people not wanting to spend $40 Million for this in 2 years,  but he costs nothing and he's taking the Eagles to the playoffs.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

You'd like to think the answer is yes but I suspect the answer is no. I think making the play offs gives them delusions that this team is not far off. A little bit like 2019 and 2020 where they back doored it in to the play offs and it made them think they were still ready to contend. 

[D-Shiznit]

A 16 point loss on the road against the GOAT led SB champions isn't really that embarrassing considering the thumping PIT and NE just got.

Nobody expected us to win anyways.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

9 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

A 16 point loss on the road against the GOAT led SB champions isn't really that embarrassing considering the thumping PIT and NE just got.

Nobody expected us to win anyways.

True but again the game was never really as close as the scoreboard suggests. Ok sure in a few months and years nobody will look at the score and say oh yeah that was embarrassing. But it was. It was very embarrassing how far off this team is. 

[D-Shiznit]

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

True but again the game was never really as close as the scoreboard suggests. Ok sure in a few months and years nobody will look at the score and say oh yeah that was embarrassing. But it was. It was very embarrassing how far off this team is. 

I hear ya, I guess compared to NE/PIT we did slightly better, but yeah, nothing to brag about.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

Just now, D-Shiznit said:

I hear ya, I guess compared to NE/PIT we did slightly better, but yeah, nothing to brag about.

Yeah agreed. There was nothing to take away from this game from a positive. I guess Gainwell played well later in the game so he looks promising? Other than that there was nothing. Hurts was bad, the OL looked to me like it struggled, they didn't use Smith until it was too late.