Expect suckage for the next year or so

[Procus]

Don't be fooled by the playoff seeding the Eagles enjoyed this year.   Expectations were way too high, and the Eagles educated the fan base who and what the team really is yesterday.  The team was never that good, from the coaching staff down to the roster.  Without Jeff Stoutland, they are a losing team.  The head coach is okay, but as it stands right now, this guy will not get you to the promised land.  The roster still needs an overhaul pretty much from top to bottom.  The team's strength for the past few years - the right side of the line - is aging.  The D Line needs to be beefed up.  We saw yesterday that a significant upgrade is needed at the QB position.  The rest of the defense needs an upgrade as well.  Plainly stated, the Eagles need a rebuild from top to bottom. 

Don't make any major splash moves.  Draft the best player available.  A few boring free agent signings.  And get ready to replace Siri with Mike Kafka next year.  This team has some major work to do.  Maybe in 2024 we can expect to see a team on the rise.  For the next couple of years, I have no expectations of seeing any consistent good play out of this team.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Procus said:

The head coach is okay, but as it stands right now, this guy will not get you to the promised land. 

The head coach is limited by the QB.

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The head coach is limited by the QB.

As are alot of key players.

[D-Shiznit]

Just get us a franchise QB, that's all I ask for this Off-Season.

[Procus]

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The head coach is limited by the QB.

True, but the head coach is also limited by his own limitations. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Procus said:

True, but the head coach is also limited by his own limitations. 

Head coach is fine, he schemes well and WR's are open, the QB is just not good enough to take advantage.

 

 

[Hawkeye]

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Just get us a franchise QB, that's all I ask for this Off-Season.

Who and how?  There isn't a Joe Burrow type in the draft and the three "franchise" veterans who might hit the market - Watson, Rodgers and Wilson - will cost enormous draft capital and come with significant baggage.  And realistically, Rodgers and Wilson aren't going anywhere.

Hurts is the starter in 2022 - it's the only realistic outcome.  

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Hurts is the starter in 2022 - is the worst case scenario

FYP

[Aerolithe_Lion]

9 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Just get us a franchise QB, that's all I ask for this Off-Season.

3 first round picks. If Rodgers gets traded, Watson gets traded, Jimmy G gets traded, Wilson gets traded and we still end up with Hurts next year… that will be the worst move Howie ever made. Howie over-emphasizes the QB position, this is unlike him.

[CaliEagle]

19 minutes ago, Procus said:

Don't be fooled by the playoff seeding the Eagles enjoyed this year.   Expectations were way too high, and the Eagles educated the fan base who and what the team really is yesterday.  The team was never that good, from the coaching staff down to the roster.  Without Jeff Stoutland, they are a losing team.  The head coach is okay, but as it stands right now, this guy will not get you to the promised land.  The roster still needs an overhaul pretty much from top to bottom.  The team's strength for the past few years - the right side of the line - is aging.  The D Line needs to be beefed up.  We saw yesterday that a significant upgrade is needed at the QB position.  The rest of the defense needs an upgrade as well.  Plainly stated, the Eagles need a rebuild from top to bottom. 

Don't make any major splash moves.  Draft the best player available.  A few boring free agent signings.  And get ready to replace Siri with Mike Kafka next year.  This team has some major work to do.  Maybe in 2024 we can expect to see a team on the rise.  For the next couple of years, I have no expectations of seeing any consistent good play out of this team.

I think you're right. We beat up on a lot of teams with 3rd string QBs. Our schedule isn't hard next year, but chances are we won't see Fromms, Glennons, Simiens, etc. for a long stretch of games like we did this year. I don't really trust Howie to do the right thing with the draft picks. But, we'll see. We need a lot of defensive help and we need a couple of more playmakers on offense.  The odds that we hit on every move isn't good. Hurts is definitely limited as a starter, but the question is do we try to address QB now or wait a year for potentially better prospects.  I don't think Wilson or Rodgers are realistic options.  And, Watson has too much baggage and I don't think he wants to come here.   But, we are at least better off than the Giants. So, there's at least that.

[Procus]

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Head coach is fine, he schemes well and WR's are open, the QB is just not good enough to take advantage.

 

 

There's a difference between having a QB have a bad day with misses and a head coach who can take you to the next level.  Siri is okay, but he's not gonna win you the big games.

This team was not ready for prime time yesterday - even if it was a 1 p.m. start.

[Aerolithe_Lion]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Who and how?  There isn't a Joe Burrow type in the draft and the three "franchise" veterans who might hit the market - Watson, Rodgers and Wilson - will cost enormous draft capital and come with significant baggage.  And realistically, Rodgers and Wilson aren't going anywhere.

Hurts is the starter in 2022 - it's the only realistic outcome.  

There is no way Rodgers is in GB next year, and everyone in Seattle is talking like the band is about to break up. Watson HAS to be traded, Jimmy G HAS to be traded, Carr/Cousins/Tua/Wentz/Foles/Mayfield are all potentially on the move.

This season may have the most QB turnover in NFL history. When it ends, if Hurts is still our "only realistic option,” then there was front office failure of a systemic level.

[mr_hunt]

only in philly is foles included on a list of potential qb starters for next season.   

[CaliEagle]

1 minute ago, Procus said:

There's a difference between having a QB have a bad day with misses and a head coach who can take you to the next level.  Siri is okay, but he's not gonna win you the big games.

This team was not ready for prime time yesterday - even if it was a 1 p.m. start.

The jury is out on that. That might be true..maybe not. Our coaching stff definitely showed its green-ness early yesterday.  I didn't like the fact how Devonta was open at the line of scrimmage for most of the game because the Bucs CB was playing 12 yards off the line. There should've been several quick fire passes to Devonta for 5 to 8 yards until that CB decides to get within 10 yards of him.  They didn't take advantage of that until the 4th quarter. Those were gimme completions. I don't know if that is on Nick or Hurts, but I tend to put more of it on Nick because he could've told Hurts that when our defense was on the field in the 1st quarter.

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

5 minutes ago, Procus said:

There's a difference between having a QB have a bad day with misses and a head coach who can take you to the next level.  Siri is okay, but he's not gonna win you the big games.

This team was not ready for prime time yesterday - even if it was a 1 p.m. start.

Neither is Hurts.  We are going nowhere with him.  Siri is giving him opportunities but he can't get it done week in and week out.

[NOTW]

Hurts isn't the long-term answer, but neither are most of the suggestions fans are making.  We'll see if they make any changes there, will be the story of the offseason.

Siri was outcoached.  He improved over the year but has a lot to improve still.  He had never called plays before this year.  Let's see what he has to work with next year.

Gannon gets outcoached a lot and needs to go.  Even the players don't like his soft approach they want to be aggressive.

They are in great position with these draft picks, but Lurie is going to get too hyped up and listen to media about trading draft picks for a QB or trading up to reach for one in the draft instead of use those picks to add desperately needed young talent to the roster especially on defense.

Reagor and JJAW are both worthless and need to be cut asap, but they'll probably keep Reagor another year because he's a 1st round pick and on rookie deal. 

[NJWolverEagle11]

45 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

There is no way Rodgers is in GB next year, and everyone in Seattle is talking like the band is about to break up. Watson HAS to be traded, Jimmy G HAS to be traded, Carr/Cousins/Tua/Wentz/Foles/Mayfield are all potentially on the move.

This season may have the most QB turnover in NFL history. When it ends, if Hurts is still our "only realistic option,” then there was front office failure of a systemic level.

Is Jimmy a fa? If he can be had on the cheap I'd take him over hurts

[Random Reglar]

1 hour ago, Procus said:

Don't be fooled by the playoff seeding the Eagles enjoyed this year.   Expectations were way too high, and the Eagles educated the fan base who and what the team really is yesterday.  The team was never that good, from the coaching staff down to the roster.  Without Jeff Stoutland, they are a losing team.  The head coach is okay, but as it stands right now, this guy will not get you to the promised land.  The roster still needs an overhaul pretty much from top to bottom.  The team's strength for the past few years - the right side of the line - is aging.  The D Line needs to be beefed up.  We saw yesterday that a significant upgrade is needed at the QB position.  The rest of the defense needs an upgrade as well.  Plainly stated, the Eagles need a rebuild from top to bottom. 

Don't make any major splash moves.  Draft the best player available.  A few boring free agent signings.  And get ready to replace Siri with Mike Kafka next year.  This team has some major work to do.  Maybe in 2024 we can expect to see a team on the rise.  For the next couple of years, I have no expectations of seeing any consistent good play out of this team.

The Eagles are good enough to get to the playoffs.  The top 14 out of 32 go to the playoffs.   14 of 32 is not sucking.

Maybe you have something wrong with your brain,  where you don't understand that getting to the playoffs is generally hard to do?

The Vegas over under was 6.5 wins.   The Eagles got 9 wins.   Overperformed the expectations.

Nobody thought the Eagles would beat the Bucs.  The Bucs have the best QB of all time and the Bucs won the Super Bowl last year.   Arguably the best team in the NFL.   The Eagles are simply not as good as them.

Who thought the Eagles were as good as the Bucs?   Not you.   People who are bashing Hurts thought that Hurts sucked all along,  and wanted to tell everyone about it.  And they still do,  even if Hurts took the Eagles to the playoffs and lost to the better team.

The Eagles need new talent, especially on defense (by the way,  giving up 2 TDs and 1 FG on the Bucs first 4 drives is not particularly good.

Eagles fans should happily accept playoffs from their team and their running qb.  Stop worrying about what the league leader in QB rushing yards does for passing,  when it means more wins than losses.   

Improve the defense.  Stick with Hurts. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

The Eagles are good enough to get to the playoffs.  The top 14 out of 32 go to the playoffs.   14 of 32 is not sucking.

They got to the playoffs on the back of the worst teams in the NFL.  Beating 5 of the 10 worst teams in the league does not say a lot.

[Random Reglar]

27 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

Is Jimmy a fa? If he can be had on the cheap I'd take him over hurts

Why do all those supposedly desirable QB have to

 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Hurts isn't the long-term answer, but neither are most of the suggestions fans are making.  We'll see if they make any changes there, will be the story of the offseason.

Siri was outcoached.  He improved over the year but has a lot to improve still.  He had never called plays before this year.  Let's see what he has to work with next year.

Gannon gets outcoached a lot and needs to go.  Even the players don't like his soft approach they want to be aggressive.

They are in great position with these draft picks, but Lurie is going to get too hyped up and listen to media about trading draft picks for a QB or trading up to reach for one in the draft instead of use those picks to add desperately needed young talent to the roster especially on defense.

Reagor and JJAW are both worthless and need to be cut asap, but they'll probably keep Reagor another year because he's a 1st round pick and on rookie deal. 

It's kinda a bummer to see Reagor and JJAW out there playing and taking roster spots.  We watch those 2 and what we see quite often is pure suck,  especially not catching important passes and the Eagles losing.   Reagor dropped 3 huge passes at the end of a Eagles loss.   It's not really balanced with any good stuff.  

[EagleJoe8]

1 hour ago, Procus said:

There's a difference between having a QB have a bad day with misses and a head coach who can take you to the next level.  Siri is okay, but he's not gonna win you the big games.

This team was not ready for prime time yesterday - even if it was a 1 p.m. start.

Maybe, maybe not. I’d like him to find out with a good QB before a final judgement is made. 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

29 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

Is Jimmy a fa? If he can be had on the cheap I'd take him over hurts

2022 is the last year on his deal, 24m$ base salary

[EagleJoe8]

6 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

The Eagles are good enough to get to the playoffs.  The top 14 out of 32 go to the playoffs.   14 of 32 is not sucking.

Maybe you have something wrong with your brain,  where you don't understand that getting to the playoffs is generally hard to do?

The Vegas over under was 6.5 wins.   The Eagles got 9 wins.   Overperformed the expectations.

Nobody thought the Eagles would beat the Bucs.  The Bucs have the best QB of all time and the Bucs won the Super Bowl last year.   Arguably the best team in the NFL.   The Eagles are simply not as good as them.

Who thought the Eagles were as good as the Bucs?   Not you.   People who are bashing Hurts thought that Hurts sucked all along,  and wanted to tell everyone about it.  And they still do,  even if Hurts took the Eagles to the playoffs and lost to the better team.

The Eagles need new talent, especially on defense (by the way,  giving up 2 TDs and 1 FG on the Bucs first 4 drives is not particularly good.

Eagles fans should happily accept playoffs from their team and their running qb.  Stop worrying about what the league leader in QB rushing yards does for passing,  when it means more wins than losses.   

Improve the defense.  Stick with Hurts. 

14 out of 32 is average. Average typically gets you one and done, and that’s assuming you even make it in the dance. The NFL making a stupid decision to add two playoff teams doesn’t make those last two teams good. 
 

You still can’t grasp this. 

[Hawkeye]

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

There is no way Rodgers is in GB next year, and everyone in Seattle is talking like the band is about to break up. Watson HAS to be traded, Jimmy G HAS to be traded, Carr/Cousins/Tua/Wentz/Foles/Mayfield are all potentially on the move.

This season may have the most QB turnover in NFL history. When it ends, if Hurts is still our "only realistic option,” then there was front office failure of a systemic level.

Rodgers isn’t going anywhere.  Watson is a wildcard and I read last week that he might stay in Houston if they hire Brian Flores.  Regardless, he has a no trade clause and has already floated his desired destinations.  Spoiler alert:  Philly isn’t on the list.  Wilson is pure conjecture.  I’m guessing they’re not in a hurry to get Wentz back. Cousins has a $45 million dollar cap charge next year and is not anybody’s QB of the future.  Neither is Foles.  Tua?  Mayfield???  

Denial is a powerful tool but reality intrudes.  

[Procus]

21 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Maybe you have something wrong with your brain,  where you don't understand that getting to the playoffs is generally hard to do?

What is your problem?  Are you a teenager whose butthurt because somebody insulted your team?  You don't like the post, disagree with it.  No need for personal attacks.  If you're into that - go to CVON.