February 2, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, Traveler Vic said: 2022 will be the judge. I expect him to improve. I think given the current state of the QB position and the number of needy teams we should play that to our advantage. I'm not sure Hurts is the guy but I think stick with him for 2022 because other than trading for a veteran (no thanks) I'm not sure any of the draft options are either.
February 2, 20223 yr 14 hours ago, Infam said: Eh, you mean ‘one and done’ Dak stinking it up? He looked poor all December and took the first out he found as usual. What is it with all the love for the Cowboys here? I’ll never understand the amount of credit you guys give those losers. Not sure I've seen a bunch of people around here giving all kinds of credit to Dallas. But, speaking for myself, I give credit where credit is due (as a general rule). Dak doesn't "suck". He's a decent starting QB, but is in the mold of "he needs talent around him" to thrive. Right now, Dak is a better QB than Hurts. I'm saying best case scenario for Hurts is he reaches the level we see Dak playing at. This past season Dak threw for 4400 yards and 37 passing TDs vs 10 INTs. That's more yards and an equal number of passing TDs as Aaron Rodgers. In 2019, he threw for almost 5000 yards and had 30 passing TDs. Numbers don't mean everything, but those numbers are pretty good. We can only hope that Hurts can ever be a good enough passer to post those kinds of numbers.
February 2, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, EaglesAddict said: Numbers don't mean everything, but those numbers are pretty good. We can only hope that Hurts can ever be a good enough passer to post those kinds of numbers. Not impressed by his numbers one bit. He looked bad at the end of the season and got kicked out of the playoffs right away just like we did. At this point I don’t see much difference, Dak may be passing a bit better (didn’t look great though, especially considering who he is throwing to), Hurts is the better runner. If anything Dak is payed way too much for his performance and should be further along - yet isn’t. So no, Dak is not Hurts ceiling. He is his floor. I fully expect him to be better than Dak next year. If that is good enough to be our franchise is a totally different matter though. I used to be convinced he is, but his play against the Bucs didn‘t sit right with me either. He has to play better next year. But he might become what we need him to be, I think he has everything it takes.
February 2, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Infam said: Not impressed by his numbers one bit. He looked bad at the end of the season and got kicked out of the playoffs right away just like we did. At this point I don’t see much difference, Dak may be passing a bit better (didn’t look great though, especially considering who he is throwing to), Hurts is the better runner. If anything Dak is payed way to much for his performance and should be further along - yet isn’t. So no, Dak is not Hurts ceiling. He is his floor. I fully expect him to be better than Dak next year. If that is good enough to be our franchise is a totally different matter though. I used to be convinced he is, but his play against the Bucs didn‘t sit right with me either. He has to play better next year. But he might become what we need him to be, I think he has everything it takes. Dak is flawed, no doubt. But as a passer, he is well ahead of Hurts. If Dak is Hurts' floor, then Hurts is currently in the basement.
February 2, 20223 yr @Thrive you titled it "Eagles passing offense" but left out the 2 games Minshew played. And Greg Ward threw 2 passes, can we get some analysis of that please?
February 2, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, Infam said: Not impressed by his numbers one bit. He looked bad at the end of the season and got kicked out of the playoffs right away just like we did. At this point I don’t see much difference, Dak may be passing a bit better (didn’t look great though, especially considering who he is throwing to), Hurts is the better runner. If anything Dak is payed way too much for his performance and should be further along - yet isn’t. So no, Dak is not Hurts ceiling. He is his floor. I fully expect him to be better than Dak next year. If that is good enough to be our franchise is a totally different matter though. I used to be convinced he is, but his play against the Bucs didn‘t sit right with me either. He has to play better next year. But he might become what we need him to be, I think he has everything it takes. If Dak is Hurt's floor, no one would be questioning if he should be the long term starter. Hurts has to make a major jump to reach Dak's level as a passer. As Greg Cosell implied you do not see QBs make the kind of jump that Hurts would need to make to be a top level QB. Even reaching the above average level of Dak would be highly unlikely.
February 2, 20223 yr 23 minutes ago, kentwo said: If Dak is Hurt's floor, no one would be questioning if he should be the long term starter. Hurts has to make a major jump to reach Dak's level as a passer. As Greg Cosell implied you do not see QBs make the kind of jump that Hurts would need to make to be a top level QB. Even reaching the above average level of Dak would be highly unlikely. I don‘t get why you like Dak so much.
February 3, 20223 yr 21 hours ago, Mike030270 said: Constantly changing offensive coordinators? It only happened once. They also hired a QB coach specifically for him that was supposed to help and he barely improved I was referring to college as well. In college, Hurts had 4 offensive coordinators, and 4 QB coaches, in three seasons!!!! This is anything but stability. If his QB coach is any good.....Give him time in the same system, with the same players, and his results will go up.
February 3, 20223 yr [thread]Hurts is good and here’s a bunch of blah blah blah to twist and mold to make it so (and still doesn’t get there). Stats stats stats, yakkedy yakkedy yak, yadda yadda yadda. I mean, he MIGHT improve a little. Intangibles. Good dude. Puts in the work. Flush it. Get freaky. Ok, I tried. But he sucks and isn’t even the best QB on his own team based on extrapolated statistics of Minshew over a full season.[/thread]
February 3, 20223 yr On 1/31/2022 at 2:23 PM, downundermike said: He will not improve enough to be a playoff winning QB, and I hope he gets to prove me right somewhere else. Posts like this remind me of that guy that hated on Foles after every game in 2017. Every week (after the Rams game) he was obsessed with telling us why Foles would fall short and our once promising season was already over. He didn't miss a day to gripe, whine, criticize, and predict doom. After the Super Bowl, it was a few days before he posted again. His brilliant explanation upon return was that his posts were why we won. He somehow reverse jinxed us into good fortune by being a perennial panty-waist.
February 3, 20223 yr Introduction: I appreciate the thought behind this thread and the deeper analysis of Hurts' play using statistics. Argument: While the stats you've selected do show that Hurts improved in certain aspects, there's really no stat that tracks his biggest weaknesses, like his inability to quickly read the field and cycle through progressions. A lot of his improvement can be attributed to him simply not throwing the ball when his primary target was covered, and him tucking and running. Conclusion: Give me Minshew or a rookie next season. I've seen enough from Hurts.
February 3, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: Introduction: I appreciate the thought behind this thread and the deeper analysis of Hurts' play using statistics. Argument: While the stats you've selected do show that Hurts improved in certain aspects, there's really no stat that tracks his biggest weaknesses, like his inability to quickly read the field and cycle through progressions. A lot of his improvement can be attributed to him simply not throwing the ball when his primary target was covered, and him tucking and running. Conclusion: Give me Minshew or a rookie next season. I've seen enough from Hurts. And I have seen enough of our WRs dropping the ball. I demand that Eagles, through offseason, work on it. No more dropped balls. Of course that would elevate Hurts statistics up as well, since he is the QB apparent next year.
February 3, 20223 yr Question is how much time do they want to give Hurts to improve? Do people really expect a dramatic improvement in 1 offseason for him to become a top 10 QB, because at this point he is going to have to be that much more improved to stay as the starter. Theres no way hes going to only slightly improve and go into September 2023 as the starter, and thats why I think they should move on from Hurts. Giving him another year is just a waste of time. He is not that guy. I think Howie drafts a QB. We dont have the #6 pick to move back and gain a 1st for next year. Highly doubt a team is willing to give up a 1st for 2023 to move up to 15. We cant go into 2023 draft expecting to get one of the elite prospects because we wont have the draft capital and positioning to move up and grab them.
February 3, 20223 yr I think they give Hurts the whole 2022 season to see how he improves AND how the team performs around him..... Next season, he should have OTAs, training camp, and preseason to develop better chemistry with the WRs.....something he didn't have last season. Plus, he had some new receivers. It should be the year that they can make a much better evaluation of what he's capable of..... They were in a new offense, with some new receivers and a raw QB.......it's amazing that they finished with a winning record.
February 4, 20223 yr Advanced and Eagles passing offense do not belong in the same sentence. It immediately renders this invalid.
February 7, 20223 yr On 2/1/2022 at 10:10 PM, Mike030270 said: Constantly changing offensive coordinators? It only happened once. They also hired a QB coach specifically for him that was supposed to help and he barely improved That is one of the new Hurtscuses for why his improvement has only been incremental since he initially started at Alabama.
February 7, 20223 yr You did all that work, only to be brought crashing down to earth: The QB is a RB who can't read a D or throw the ball. Toss all the stats in the trash.
February 8, 20223 yr On 2/3/2022 at 11:08 AM, UndyTaker said: Question is how much time do they want to give Hurts to improve? Do people really expect a dramatic improvement in 1 offseason for him to become a top 10 QB, because at this point he is going to have to be that much more improved to stay as the starter. Theres no way hes going to only slightly improve and go into September 2023 as the starter, and thats why I think they should move on from Hurts. Giving him another year is just a waste of time. He is not that guy. I think Howie drafts a QB. We dont have the #6 pick to move back and gain a 1st for next year. Highly doubt a team is willing to give up a 1st for 2023 to move up to 15. We cant go into 2023 draft expecting to get one of the elite prospects because we wont have the draft capital and positioning to move up and grab them. That's the crux of the situation for me. No QB in this year's class looks to be worth the risk as the team in general has so many other needs. BUT at the same time, they will have limited draft capital next year (unless they make some moves) and if the team drafts well and makes small improvements, they should still finish around .500 even with the harder schedule. That means a 10-16 draft pick which won't be enough to get one of the top two guys. Maybe some of the other QBs emerge, but Young or Stroud will be out of reach unless they mortgage their future.
February 8, 20223 yr On 1/31/2022 at 2:49 PM, Thrive said: Curious for folks to provide additional statistics that dig deeper into what we saw this past year. 85% of statistics are made up.
February 8, 20223 yr On 1/31/2022 at 4:49 PM, Thrive said: Conclusion: Regardless of position of thought on Jalen as a quarterback, these statistics show a quarterback that made significant improvement year over year (in fact, doing a quick cursory review, I have not seen a QB generally make these types of improvements year over year – however maybe someone can dig into this further). The obvious comparison to make would be with Carson Wentz and since Hurts only has two seasons to look at, then compare his first two seasons to Wentz's first two seasons. Wentz's TD more than doubled from 2016 to 2017 while his INT's were cut in half. His total yards went down, but that's because he played 16 games in 2016 and only 12.5 in 2017. Ranking him according to passer rating, he went from 25th in the league in 2016 to 4th in 2017. Ranking by QBR, he went from 26th to 1st. 2017 may end up being an outlier year for Carson, but since we can only look at those first two seasons for a common comparison, it just is what it is. Once Hurts has started an equal number of total games as 2016/17 Wentz, we can do a more equal comparison. For the moment though, he's started 19 games to Wentz's 29 for those first two seasons. My conclusion on Hurts is that that I haven't seen enough of him to have a conclusion. For the most part, overall so far, I haven't been overly excited for him as our #1 QB going forward. I've seen flashes, but I want more than flashes. I want a 4,000+ yard passer with a good to great passer rating. Add in the running threat and that's great. But I don't think that a 2,500 to 3,000 yard passer with 1,000 or so yards rushing, is a good formula to win Lombardi's.
February 8, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: I want a 4,000+ yard passer with a good to great passer rating. Add in the running threat and that's great. But I don't think that a 2,500 to 3,000 yard passer with 1,000 or so yards rushing, is a good formula to win Lombardi's. This is me as well. I want the 4k passing yard QB that doesn't have more rushing yards than the RB
February 8, 20223 yr 16 hours ago, Wentz_Era said: 85% of statistics are made up. But there's only a 50/50 chance of that.
February 8, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Mike030270 said: This is me as well. I want the 4k passing yard QB that doesn't have more rushing yards than the RB I’ve seen enough of the Lamar Jackson and Mike Vick experiments to know they don’t work in the playoffs so I’m with you.
February 8, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, AngryBird said: I’ve seen enough of the Lamar Jackson and Mike Vick experiments to know they don’t work in the playoffs so I’m with you. But those guys don't have SWAG and workout videos.
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