1 hour ago, kentwo said:

But they were also looking for a veteran presence in the WR room, which a rookie couldn't provide.

First of all, I'm not paying 100m for a WR that runs a 4.5, veteran or no veteran.  

For that pick, if I wanted to go WR my pick would have been Christian Watson, his 4.36 speed and 38'' vertical brings more to the offense than what a pedestrian 4.5 WR brings.

You have to respect a 6'4'' WR running a 4.36, that speed opens up the underneath for the RBs, TEs and other WRs.  Moreover, my money is on a 6'4'' with a 38'' vertical when it comes to the contested catch.   

As far as the veteran presence goes, I think it's over rated when it comes to positions, sure you want a veterans on the team but you don't need veterans for each position.   

34 minutes ago, NOTW said:

They picked at #53.  Moving up a few slots in the 2nd round costs less than trading a 1st and a 3rd.  Howie said they really liked him in that draft...if he's so good at trades, why not trade up a couple spots for him then?  The real issue is he drafts guys like JJAW and Reagor and then later says he really liked guys that turn out to be good players, then trades for proven players.  If he liked them then, he could have used less draft asset (a factor he claims to love having) to trade up and take them.  

He has to keep making trades to fix his bad drafting.

It’s possible to "really like” more than one player. At the time he didn’t think it was worth it. 
 

but what is the point of this? That sometimes GMs miss on picks? Of course they do. Not drafting Brown in 2018 doesn’t make this trade any less of a win

1 hour ago, EagleVA said:

No, it made no sense, if the Eagles wanted Brown's skillset they should have drafted Burks, same skillset.

But no, he decides to pay a 100m contract instead of paying a rookie contract, anyone who thinks that was a good move need to think gain.

You'll never sustain a competitive team via building a team making these sort of moves, this is why when FA rolls around we can't make moves because we have no money.

Honestly, I have no idea why Lurie puts up with Howard Roseman, excuse me, Coward Roseman, he a coward because he afraid make picks. 

Love how this guy instantly assumes that Burks can't be Jalen Reagor II.

Who the hell sustains a competitive team forever.  I'll sit here and wait.

You build with the draft and YOU HAVE TO sprinkle in veteran players through free agency.  What do you think a draft hit rate is?  Do you realize that half of the players drafted last night, will be considered busts in three years?  HALF.

I don't know about you, but all the film they play after each selection makes them all look like future all pros....but only half of them make it to their next contract.

 among first-round draft picks selected between 2010-2017, only 31% signed a second contract with the team that drafted them

 

Just now, nipples said:

It’s possible to "really like” more than one player. At the time he didn’t think it was worth it. 
 

but what is the point of this? That sometimes GMs miss on picks? Of course they do. Not drafting Brown in 2018 doesn’t make this trade any less of a win

The point is Howie can't draft so he makes trades to make up for it.  He said last night how much they liked AJ Brown in the 2019 draft.  They were 2 picks away from him, just move up for him then.  Failing at WR repeatedly, also failing in the 1st round after pick 13 repeatedly, means he has to trade picks for proven players.  Brown should be a good player, has concerns with surgeries on both knees but hopefully he's healthy.  

For me the draft isn't just about who they take, but who they don't.  I like trading for Brown that's fine.  I wanted them to draft 2 players in the 1st, they started out having 3 picks and no one expected them to draft 3 picks in the 1st round, but to only draft 1 is a little disappointing.  Would've been nice to keep the pick sent to the Saints to draft another impact defensive player if they were going to trade a pick for Brown.

1 hour ago, nipples said:

The draft slot matters. A guy at #13 is way less of a gamble then a pick at #50 (where they’d have had to trade up for AJ in 2018)

Still, at best, a 50/50 gamble at #13.  WRs, especially are at best a coin flip in the first round.  

1 hour ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Did you really say a 3rd for Reagor?  LMAO

I think he meant we have to give a team a 3rd to take Reagor.....

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Would've been nice to keep the pick sent to the Saints to draft another impact defensive player if they were going to trade a pick for Brown.

Or....have another 1st rounder for next year in a good/great QB draft and have the ammo to go after one of them should (when) Hurts suck.  Oh...and by the way, I think the Saints are going to be horrible and potentially a top 10 pick.

10 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The point is Howie can't draft so he makes trades to make up for it.  He said last night how much they liked AJ Brown in the 2019 draft.  They were 2 picks away from him, just move up for him then.  Failing at WR repeatedly, also failing in the 1st round after pick 13 repeatedly, means he has to trade picks for proven players.  Brown should be a good player, has concerns with surgeries on both knees but hopefully he's healthy.  

For me the draft isn't just about who they take, but who they don't.  I like trading for Brown that's fine.  I wanted them to draft 2 players in the 1st, they started out having 3 picks and no one expected them to draft 3 picks in the 1st round, but to only draft 1 is a little disappointing.  Would've been nice to keep the pick sent to the Saints to draft another impact defensive player if they were going to trade a pick for Brown.

I think the "impact player" they were going to draft would have been Burks.  You can watch Burks career and find out in probably two seasons, whether this was the right trade to make. 

They were clearly going after a WR with the second 1st round pick.  Since that's the case, I'm happier with Brown than I would have been with Burks.  But I felt they could have, should have addressed either the CB or S spot with that second first round pick. 

7 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

Or....have another 1st rounder for next year in a good/great QB draft and have the ammo to go after one of them should (when) Hurts suck.  Oh...and by the way, I think the Saints are going to be horrible and potentially a top 10 pick.

That's how I see it as well.  This is a great trade for both sides.  Tennessee is on the hook for $75 million in cap space for Tannehill the next two years alone so they couldn't possibly have also paid AJ.  The Eagles are a high-profile, big-market team and they want star power. This kid is an emerging star.  It also buys out any and all excuses for Hurts. 

And this is a below average draft class. 

1 minute ago, Vee said:

I think the "impact player" they were going to draft would have been Burks.  You can watch Burks career and find out in probably two seasons, whether this was the right trade to make. 

They were clearly going after a WR with the second 1st round pick.  Since that's the case, I'm happier with Brown than I would have been with Burks.  But I felt they could have, should have addressed either the CB or S spot with that second first round pick. 

I think plan 1 was Williams and Hamilton or a Corner. Plan 2 was Davis, which meant we had to jump baltimore

6 minutes ago, Vee said:

I think the "impact player" they were going to draft would have been Burks.  You can watch Burks career and find out in probably two seasons, whether this was the right trade to make. 

They were clearly going after a WR with the second 1st round pick.  Since that's the case, I'm happier with Brown than I would have been with Burks.  But I felt they could have, should have addressed either the CB or S spot with that second first round pick. 

Considering what Howie said in his presser that 2nd 1st rounder was already spoken for with the AJ Brown trade. Only thing holding up the deal was the contract. So to me that implies that they never intended to make a pick with 18 unless the contract fell through.

4 minutes ago, judunno said:

Considering what Howie said in his presser that 2nd 1st rounder was already spoken for with the AJ Brown trade. Only thing holding up the deal was the contract. So to me that implies that they never intended to make a pick with 18 unless the contract fell through.

Yeah, that sounds right honestly. They failed to inform Vrabel though

It just boggles my mind that we’re sitting here arguing about whether trading a first and third for a 24 year old pro bowl receiver, with 3000 yards and 24 TDs in three years was a good move…when the alternative was letting Howie make a draft pick at #18 and #101. 

1 minute ago, nipples said:

It just boggles my mind that we’re sitting here arguing about whether trading a first and third for a 24 year old pro bowl receiver, with 3000 yards and 24 TDs in three years was a good move…when the alternative was letting Howie make a draft pick at #18 and #101. 

 

Either way, you are still relying on Hurts to get him the ball.

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

That's how I see it as well.  This is a great trade for both sides.  Tennessee is on the hook for $75 million in cap space for Tannehill the next two years alone so they couldn't possibly have also paid AJ.  The Eagles are a high-profile, big-market team and they want star power. This kid is an emerging star.  It also buys out any and all excuses for Hurts. 

And this is a below average draft class. 

It’s only a "below average” class at QB. It’s a solid receiver class and the defensive class is stacked. 

Just now, downundermike said:

 

Either way, you are still relying on Hurts to get him the ball.

For one year, unless he makes a big leap this year (unlikely). Thanks to Howie they still have two first rounders next year if they need a QB. And IMO that Saints pick could be top 10. 

2 minutes ago, nipples said:

 

For one year, unless he makes a big leap this year (unlikely). Thanks to Howie they still have two first rounders next year if they need a QB. And IMO that Saints pick could be top 10. 

Copy cat!

41 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

First of all, I'm not paying 100m for a WR that runs a 4.5, veteran or no veteran.  

For that pick, if I wanted to go WR my pick would have been Christian Watson, his 4.36 speed and 38'' vertical brings more to the offense than what a pedestrian 4.5 WR brings.

You have to respect a 6'4'' WR running a 4.36, that speed opens up the underneath for the RBs, TEs and other WRs.  Moreover, my money is on a 6'4'' with a 38'' vertical when it comes to the contested catch.   

As far as the veteran presence goes, I think it's over rated when it comes to positions, sure you want a veterans on the team but you don't need veterans for each position.   

Or we get another bust aka reagor 2.0 and everyone would be calling for Howies hanging.

2 hours ago, EagleVA said:

No, it made no sense, if the Eagles wanted Brown's skillset they should have drafted Burks, same skillset.

But no, he decides to pay a 100m contract instead of paying a rookie contract, anyone who thinks that was a good move need to think gain.

You'll never sustain a competitive team via building a team making these sort of moves, this is why when FA rolls around we can't make moves because we have no money.

Honestly, I have no idea why Lurie puts up with Howard Roseman, excuse me, Coward Roseman, he a coward because he afraid make picks. 

You are assuming that Burks plays at the same level as Brown because they have similar skillsets?  Burks could come in and light it up but he could also be a bust.  Brown is going to come in and be a beast because he's already shown that he plays at an elite level.  And he's only 24 years old.  I normally can't stand Roseman but this was a very good trade.  

6 minutes ago, nipples said:

It just boggles my mind that we’re sitting here arguing about whether trading a first and third for a 24 year old pro bowl receiver, with 3000 yards and 24 TDs in three years was a good move…when the alternative was letting Howie make a draft pick at #18 and #101. 

hahaha I know right. i think people are just upset that their mock drafts are way off because they gave up 2nd and 3rd day picks

Every year there is another article about how Howie isn't a trustful GM. And yet every year he manages to make at least one move that bucks the articles.

32 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

Or....have another 1st rounder for next year in a good/great QB draft and have the ammo to go after one of them should (when) Hurts suck.  Oh...and by the way, I think the Saints are going to be horrible and potentially a top 10 pick.

That's certainly the strategy.  I've just been wanting this team to draft high picks on defense apart from D line for a long time.  This seemed like a good defensive draft.  A bunch of guys fell to the late 1st round.  Perhaps they could have traded back to the late 1st and collected a future pick for that same strategy.

Some trades other teams made last night to get into the late 1st round were just a 2nd plus either a 4th & 6th or a 3rd & 5th.  

• Jags trade 2nd, 4th & 6th for #27
• Jets trade 2nd, 3rd & 5th for #26 plus a 3rd

Howie should have come away with 2 selections in the 1st round.

7 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Or we get another bust aka reagor 2.0 and everyone would be calling for Howies hanging.

Why did I automatically know that 40-time would be brought up the second I saw this post was from EVA?

46 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

First of all, I'm not paying 100m for a WR that runs a 4.5, veteran or no veteran.  

For that pick, if I wanted to go WR my pick would have been Christian Watson, his 4.36 speed and 38'' vertical brings more to the offense than what a pedestrian 4.5 WR brings.

You have to respect a 6'4'' WR running a 4.36, that speed opens up the underneath for the RBs, TEs and other WRs.  Moreover, my money is on a 6'4'' with a 38'' vertical when it comes to the contested catch.   

As far as the veteran presence goes, I think it's over rated when it comes to positions, sure you want a veterans on the team but you don't need veterans for each position.   

Clearly you are trolling.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Clearly you are trolling.

No sadly he isn’t. I’ll give him that he’s consistent in his obsession with 40 times. 

9 minutes ago, psychodog said:

You are assuming that Burks plays at the same level as Brown because they have similar skillsets?  Burks could come in and light it up but he could also be a bust.  Brown is going to come in and be a beast because he's already shown that he plays at an elite level.  And he's only 24 years old.  I normally can't stand Roseman but this was a very good trade.  

I'm not so sure about lighting it up, you gotta keep in mind that defenses we focused on stopping the run when they played the Titans, that won't be the case for the Eagles.