2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

That's where our opinions differ. We have Smith and Watkins. It was prudent to look for an upgrade over Reagor or bring in someone to push him for playing time. We signed Pascal last month. I just didn't view WR as a huge need. I would have been happy to see us use that 1st rd pick on a CB and draft someone like Watson in the 2nd or 3rd. 

I do think CB (and S) are needs as well but that doesn't mean WR wasn't a need.  I am hoping Howie can swing a deal to move Reagor for possibly a 3rd today and then use our 3 day 2 picks to address both levels of the secondary and edge rusher.  

Just now, time2rock said:

I do think CB (and S) are needs as well but that doesn't mean WR wasn't a need.  I am hoping Howie can swing a deal to move Reagor for possibly a 3rd today and then use our 3 day 2 picks to address both levels of the secondary and edge rusher.  

Oh WR was absolutely a need no doubt about that. It was a big need too.

29 minutes ago, Perforator said:

What about DE, what about safety, what about CB? Are we going to sign a couple more Kerrigan's then **** and moan about how bad the defense is meanwhile we trade two picks and pay 100 million for a wide receiver on a team that led the league in rushing last year because our QB can hit open guys?

And if they drafted a safety at the pick people would be saying "what about CB, what about DE, what about WR?" They have a lot of needs and they just solved a massive one. Now they can turn their attention elsewhere.

6 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I disagree with that completely. It would have been a "luxury move" if AJ Brown was a 30 year old with one or two good seasons left in him. AJ Brown is 24. He's young enough to produce at a high level for close to a decade. 

It would have been a luxury move if Reagor actually lived up to his first round pick status.  But he didn’t, which means we only had one legitimate starting WR (Smith) and one 3rd/4th quality receiver in Watkins.
 

Anyone who thinks WR wasn’t a pressing need is kidsing themselves. Not to mention they HAVE to make a determination on Hurts this season, so getting him another weapon was critical. Now he has no excuses, and either he proves himself this year or he doesn’t. But it’s better than the alternative of watching him just be OK, and wonder how much of it has to do with his WRs. 

4 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I do think CB (and S) are needs as well but that doesn't mean WR wasn't a need.  I am hoping Howie can swing a deal to move Reagor for possibly a 3rd today and then use our 3 day 2 picks to address both levels of the secondary and edge rusher.  

I could see both Reagor and Dillard being dealt for extra picks. They will get a CB and a safety in the next few picks IMO. And another DE before the draft ends. 
 

Ojabo, Brisker, Booth all still on the board. Getting any of those guys in round 2 would be phenomenal. Could always use another LB too though and if Dean keeps falling…

1 minute ago, nipples said:

I could see both Reagor and Dillard being dealt for extra picks. 

Let's hope.  A couple of day 2 picks (or a day 2 and early day 3) would take the sting out of dropping from 10 overall picks to just 5 after acquiring just 2 players yesterday (even if both players acquired instantly make this a better team).  

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Let's hope.  A couple of day 2 picks (or a day 2 and early day 3) would take the sting out of dropping from 10 overall picks to just 5 after acquiring just 2 players yesterday (even if both players acquired instantly make this a better team).  

Take any of Nakobe Dean, David Ojabo, Jaquan Brisker or Andrew Booth in the second and I’ll be satisfied with this draft regardless of what else they do. 

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

With the attempted trade for Ridley and the interest in receiver in free agency, I think it was pretty clear we were going to target a receiver with one of our first round picks. I was devastated when the Lions snagged Williams at 12 because all the ones left on the board were iffy after that huge run on receivers. It just seemed like history was repeating itself and we had a high probability of adding another Howie Roseman bust at receiver early in the draft.

Then it's announced we snagged AJ Brown with that pick who has a 0.0% chance of being a bust and is already established as one of the best young receivers in the game. Incredible. I honestly don't know how anyone could have an issue with this move. Then you consider what the Dolphins gave up for Hill, the Raiders gave up for Adams, and even what the Cardinals gave up for Hollywood Brown, and this move looks even better. 

First point the bolded part is wrong, football history is littered with players who moved for a kings ransom and sucked ass for their new team and second Hollywood Brown is 1 TD a year worse than AJ over their 3 years to date and cost the Card's a first rounder straight up but they received the Raven's 3rd rounder in a draft where talent is deep in the middle rounds. As good as AJ Brown is he's not in Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill's class.

1 minute ago, nipples said:

Take any of Nakobe Dean, David Ojabo, Jaquan Brisker or Andrew Booth in the second and I’ll be satisfied with this draft regardless of what else they do. 

I believe Dean will go early today and therefore will be out of reach.  Hoping for 1 of the other 3 (especially Booth ... he has been one of the players on my short list for some time now).  Knock on wood he falls to 51 (doubt Howie will trade up again considering we only have 3 extra picks with which to do so and honestly the 5 and 7 aren't going to get you far).  

I figure this will be said throughout the season

Hurts fans: He's not playing like a $100M WR!

Everyone else: He needs a real QB throwing to him

 

I hope there's a QB they love next year otherwise it'll be 2 years of this mega contract wasted by a poor QB passer

Just now, time2rock said:

I believe Dean will go early today and therefore will be out of reach.  Hoping for 1 of the other 3 (especially Booth ... he has been one of the players on my short list for some time now).  Knock on wood he falls to 51 (doubt Howie will trade up again considering we only have 3 extra picks with which to do so and honestly the 5 and 7 aren't going to get you far).  

I think Dean goes early too. I think he’d be a monster in this defense though. Maybe Howie trades up to grab him, using Dillard or Reagor as trade chips. Probably not,  but I’d love it. 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I figure this will be said throughout the season

Hurts fans: He's not playing like a $100M WR!

Everyone else: He needs a real QB throwing to him

 

I hope there's a QB they love next year otherwise it'll be 2 years of this mega contract wasted by a poor QB passer

The good thing though is we already saw Brown put up numbers with a crappy QB. So we know he can do it. 

6 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

First point the bolded part is wrong, football history is littered with players who moved for a kings ransom and sucked ass for their new team and second Hollywood Brown is 1 TD a year worse than AJ over their 3 years to date and cost the Card's a first rounder straight up but they received the Raven's 3rd rounder in a draft where talent is deep in the middle rounds. As good as AJ Brown is he's not in Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill's class.

Well, yeah, anyone could flame out or get injured. My point was that he doesn't come with the bust potential that anyone we took at 18 would have. And, yes, I would much, much rather have AJ Brown at the price we payed than Hollywood Brown at the price the Cardinals payed. Not even close, in my eyes.

Just now, nipples said:

The good thing though is we already saw Brown put up numbers with a crappy QB. So we know he can do it. 

I wouldn't call Tannehill crap. If he's crap then what is Hurts? Titans offense is basically Henry 

26 minutes ago, nipples said:

I could see both Reagor and Dillard being dealt for extra picks. They will get a CB and a safety in the next few picks IMO. And another DE before the draft ends. 
 

Ojabo, Brisker, Booth all still on the board. Getting any of those guys in round 2 would be phenomenal. Could always use another LB too though and if Dean keeps falling…

I don't know the trade market for Dillard, he was a 1st round disappointment who lost his job to a 7th round rugby player project so that can't look good for him.  I don't see him having high value.  Maybe a 4th?  Reagor sucks, what would they get a 7th?  Some team that is just desperate at WR and taking a chance they can make it work?  

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I don't know the trade market for Dillard, he was a 1st round disappointment who lost his job to a 7th round rugby player project so that can't look good for him.  I don't see him having high value.  Maybe a 4th?  Reagor sucks, what would they get a 7th?  Some team that is just desperate at WR and taking a chance they can make it work?  

combined a late 3rd mid 3rd if team desperate for tackle. Saying Dillard lost out to 7th round pick is misleading. Mailata is on brink of top tier. That doesn’t mean Dillard trash

2 minutes ago, homerpat said:

combined a late 3rd mid 3rd if team desperate for tackle. Saying Dillard lost out to 7th round pick is misleading. Mailata is on brink of top tier. That doesn’t mean Dillard trash

No, but you don't know how other GMs perceive it.  This fan base trashed Dillard for not being able to jump to RT mid-game with no practice at RT, called him soft and weak mentally and all that.  Even Kelce and Lane Johnson publicly said he needs to be more aggressive but has athletic skills (meaning, he's not tough).  Then he got injured and sat a year and barely played last year.  So I don't know that other teams would place a high value on that.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

No, but you don't know how other GMs perceive it.  This fan base trashed Dillard for not being able to jump to RT mid-game with no practice at RT, called him soft and weak mentally and all that.  Even Kelce and Lane Johnson publicly said he needs to be more aggressive but has athletic skills (meaning, he's not tough).  Then he got injured and sat a year and barely played last year.  So I don't know that other teams would place a high value on that.

I’m sure they’ll try and downplay in negotiations, but both guys could start elsewhere. I’m convinced that jerk Raegor may pan out on another team. His just soft as dog poo and can’t handle expectations. 

32 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I don't know the trade market for Dillard, he was a 1st round disappointment who lost his job to a 7th round rugby player project so that can't look good for him.  I don't see him having high value.  Maybe a 4th?  Reagor sucks, what would they get a 7th?  Some team that is just desperate at WR and taking a chance they can make it work?  

I think Dillard has more value than people think. Honestly he has played well when he’s had the chance. He just had an unfortunate injury and just so happened to have an absolute monster in front of him in JM. I think Dillard can fetch a 3rd. 
 

Reagor probably a 6th

25 minutes ago, nipples said:

I think Dillard has more value than people think. Honestly he has played well when he’s had the chance. He just had an unfortunate injury and just so happened to have an absolute monster in front of him in JM. I think Dillard can fetch a 3rd. 
 

Reagor probably a 6th

 

37 minutes ago, NOTW said:

No, but you don't know how other GMs perceive it.  This fan base trashed Dillard for not being able to jump to RT mid-game with no practice at RT, called him soft and weak mentally and all that.  Even Kelce and Lane Johnson publicly said he needs to be more aggressive but has athletic skills (meaning, he's not tough).  Then he got injured and sat a year and barely played last year.  So I don't know that other teams would place a high value on that.

 

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

I do think CB (and S) are needs as well but that doesn't mean WR wasn't a need.  I am hoping Howie can swing a deal to move Reagor for possibly a 3rd today and then use our 3 day 2 picks to address both levels of the secondary and edge rusher.  

A 3rd for Reagor? Sucker born everyday I guess.

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

I believe Dean will go early today and therefore will be out of reach.  Hoping for 1 of the other 3 (especially Booth ... he has been one of the players on my short list for some time now).  Knock on wood he falls to 51 (doubt Howie will trade up again considering we only have 3 extra picks with which to do so and honestly the 5 and 7 aren't going to get you far).  

I'm thinking they're both off the board right away. Dean to the Bucs and Booth to the Vikings. Bucs could go T. Jones though potentially too.

6 minutes ago, bitbased said:

I'm thinking they're both off the board right away. Dean to the Bucs and Booth to the Vikings. Bucs could go T. Jones though potentially too.

I, too, am concerned Booth will go before 51.  I mentioned in the Booth thread that I am somewhat hopeful if he makes it past the first 7 picks that we can swing a deal with Seattle to move up (since they pick back to back at 40 and 41) using Reagor and pick 51.  That would give late 3rd / early 4th value in return for Reagor.  I am not of the belief that we won't be able to get more than a 7th for him.  

 

 

Didn't like going from 3 first round picks to 1, but WR was a big need so it's hard to be too disappointed with it.