10 hours ago, judunno said:

You're not following... I'm specifically addressing the hype of comparing any prospect to HOF players like it's a definitive. It's extremely premature. I don't mind comps as in style of play but many are saying he's going to 'be the next [insert HOFr Here]'. That's crazy talk to me given the many variables to success. It's literally setting the kid up for failure if he's anything less.

Further it's even tougher with RBs IMO because they get banged up so much and have a high propensity to being exposed to injury. Case in point Jonathan Taylor. He's a monster but his production last year was more so do to injury than QB. This is why he was drafted in the 2nd. RBs don't typically have a long tenure of high level play. It's a positional thing.

I don’t think you are following. No one is saying they are like anyone in the NFL, at least me. I just said he is the best "prospect” since AP imo. That does not mean I am saying he will be AP, I am saying he has the tools to be an elite RB in the league.

Taylor is a bruiser. Of course he is going to get hurt. Yes RBs get hurt here and there but so does every other position.

1 hour ago, philafan4o8 said:

I don’t think you are following. No one is saying they are like anyone in the NFL, at least me. I just said he is the best "prospect” since AP imo. That does not mean I am saying he will be AP, I am saying he has the tools to be an elite RB in the league.

Taylor is a bruiser. Of course he is going to get hurt. Yes RBs get hurt here and there but so does every other position.

You might not be saying it but many are thinking it's a lock if we draft him.  It's all over these boards and Youtube. All I'm saying is the shelf life of RBs is way less than most other positions that's a fact. This is why they are rarely drafted in the 1st any more. Same with LBs. What's it been like 40 years since we drafted a LB in the 1st. Don't mind me though... I'm just lowering the bar for my expectations on draft night

14 hours ago, judunno said:

Lol I like Murph but he ain’t always right. He made a video about Eagles drafting Njigba you ok with that draft pick?

I believe the Eagles will hope for Carter but if they can't trade up to 8 to get him, then Robinson maybe their guy but not at 10. If they want Robinson Howie may trade back to say 15 and pick him there. 

I'm also hearing that Skroniski the OT, has a short wingspan. Not a good sign for a top 10 pick. 

I think the sleeper here is the WR nigba. 

Howie's thinking may have changed, and helping Jalen may be a top priority. 

 

1 hour ago, philafan4o8 said:

Lol I like Murph but he ain’t always right. He made a video about Eagles drafting Njigba you ok with that draft pick?

His points are absolutely on point when it comes to the modern day NFL. Those stuck in the NFL's Christmas past wouldn't agree I suppose. Texas did run this poor guy into the ground so his shelf life has already taken a bit of a hit.  The competition point is relevant as well given the conference of play. As for the WR that I can't spell his name, depends on where they draft him. He likely plays into the trade down target scenario. If you're trying to invest in the offense, the hierarchy by position based on their MO is OL, WR, RB, TE for the Eagles.

All depends on how the board falls and the talent available which way they would go. I still think they go DL or OL. Investing in the trenches. They can get a better back later or in a trade scenario. It's the cost opportunity that needs to be considered. Typically it's extremely expensive to land a OL/DL in FA. RB... not so much as they have been devalued for years and it's proven you can find a beast from the 2nd and beyond. The fan in me says yes to top 10 RB that could be elite one day as I have said. Thinking from the GM perspective and long term sustainability says no to top 10 RB and build from the trenches as they've successfully done for years :) GM brain would consider him in the 20s and down though with a trade up from 30. Top 10... hell to the no.

NFL.com has this player as their 3rd best prospect in the entire draft. I am starting to warm to the idea that at 10, he will be the BPA. Also, he doesn't have to carry the rock 25 times a game. He will be part of a Rotation and the Eagles are a pass first team anyway. But having a RB like this makes our offense much more dangerous. 

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/all-positions/all-colleges/all-statuses/2023

2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

NFL.com has this player as their 3rd best prospect in the entire draft. I am starting to warm to the idea that at 10, he will be the BPA. Also, he doesn't have to carry the rock 25 times a game. He will be part of a Rotation and the Eagles are a pass first team anyway. But having a RB like this makes our offense much more dangerous. 

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/all-positions/all-colleges/all-statuses/2023

You pretty much just made an argument for why they shouldn't draft him at 10 :)

1 minute ago, judunno said:

You pretty much just made an argument for why they shouldn't draft him at 10 🙂

Welp, I bet Dallas takes Gibbs as their RB before 30.  

15 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

NFL.com has this player as their 3rd best prospect in the entire draft. I am starting to warm to the idea that at 10, he will be the BPA. Also, he doesn't have to carry the rock 25 times a game. He will be part of a Rotation and the Eagles are a pass first team anyway. But having a RB like this makes our offense much more dangerous. 

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/all-positions/all-colleges/all-statuses/2023

I agree w the logic. W our backfield rotation and playmakers on offense no need to run him into the ground in October. Let the opposing defense pick their poison. We have enough on O to not fall into the shiny new toy mindset w Bijan and exploit whatever match up is most favorable. Numbers are nice but we're not playing fantasy football 

37 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Welp, I bet Dallas takes Gibbs as their RB before 30.  

I really don't think that Howie is as worried about the RB position as the fan base is. He's been pretty consistent with his philosophy. Jerry Jones will get a RB all day in the 1st round because of his experience with Aikman, Smith, Novacek, Irving. He's been trying to remake that magic ever since to no avail.

The Eagles have no GLARING needs. They have a chance to get a unique player, who can be a difference maker. You take him and screw what everyone else says- "it ain't their $$$."

Do it, Howie.

4 hours ago, Talonblood said:

The Eagles have no GLARING needs. They have a chance to get a unique player, who can be a difference maker. You take him and screw what everyone else says- "it ain't their $$$."

Do it, Howie.

If you dismiss the losses in FA and the rapidly aging OL and DL who were major contributors.. yes no glaring holes lol

4 hours ago, Talonblood said:

The Eagles have no GLARING needs. They have a chance to get a unique player, who can be a difference maker. You take him and screw what everyone else says- "it ain't their $$$."

Do it, Howie.

17 minutes ago, judunno said:

If you dismiss the losses in FA and the rapidly aging OL and DL who were major contributors.. yes no glaring holes lol

We've spent a 2nd rd pick on OL 2 years in a row.  I'm sure we'll spend another high pick but we project to need one new starter in 2024 and one in 2025 maybe. DL I agree we could use an immediate contribute especially at DE but that doesn't mean pick 10 absolutely has to be spent on either of those spots if they don't feel it's good value.

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

We've spent a 2nd rd pick on OL 2 years in a row.  I'm sure we'll spend another high pick but we project to need one new starter in 2024 and one in 2025 maybe. DL I agree we could use an immediate contribute especially at DE but that doesn't mean pick 10 absolutely has to be spent on either of those spots if they don't feel it's good value.

I can almost guarantee that Will Anderson, Jalen Carter, Tyree Wilson, Myles Murphy, Parris Johnson, and Broderick Jones are at the top of their boards for 10. I bet they are praying that the QBs and Bijan go before they pick.

2 hours ago, 91defense said:

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2 hours ago, judunno said:

If you dismiss the losses in FA and the rapidly aging OL and DL who were major contributors.. yes no glaring holes lol

Saw this comment on a YouTube vid. It's meant to be

3 hours ago, judunno said:

 rapidly aging OL and DL 

We need to stop drafting Kaminoan clones. It's nice that they're ready to start sooner, but this rapid aging is a real drag!

10 hours ago, judunno said:

His points are absolutely on point when it comes to the modern day NFL. Those stuck in the NFL's Christmas past wouldn't agree I suppose. Texas did run this poor guy into the ground so his shelf life has already taken a bit of a hit.  The competition point is relevant as well given the conference of play. As for the WR that I can't spell his name, depends on where they draft him. He likely plays into the trade down target scenario. If you're trying to invest in the offense, the hierarchy by position based on their MO is OL, WR, RB, TE for the Eagles.

All depends on how the board falls and the talent available which way they would go. I still think they go DL or OL. Investing in the trenches. They can get a better back later or in a trade scenario. It's the cost opportunity that needs to be considered. Typically it's extremely expensive to land a OL/DL in FA. RB... not so much as they have been devalued for years and it's proven you can find a beast from the 2nd and beyond. The fan in me says yes to top 10 RB that could be elite one day as I have said. Thinking from the GM perspective and long term sustainability says no to top 10 RB and build from the trenches as they've successfully done for years :) GM brain would consider him in the 20s and down though with a trade up from 30. Top 10... hell to the no.

Fake news. Run him into the ground? Just to put this into perspective he had less than 100 Carries is freshman year. The next two years were on avg for other running backs. Adrian Peterson had almost 200 more touches going into the NFL without all the bruising that AP did. AP is a freak athletically but Bijan has that same build is is a little more bulky because AP was taller but same weight. 
 

The SEC talk is overrated to be honest. The SEC is definitely the best conference and that I cannot argue but all it says to me is that if you ball in SEC you legit. But there are a ton of guys that come from Big10 and Big12 that ball in the nfl too. The trending date you are using is not helping your argument. Again the OL is a priority but history tells us the eagles aren’t great at drafting 1st round Olinemen and they are one of the best teams at drafting Olinemen in the later rounds and developing them.

I have several players I would like instead of Bijan but if they are gone I would not skip on elite talent because of position. I honestly think that the dumbest thing the Eagles can do is trade down. They will likely not be in the top 10 again unless something catastrophic occurs. They need to get a top 10 talent in this draft.

2 minutes ago, philafan4o8 said:

Fake news. Run him into the ground? Just to put this into perspective he had less than 100 Carries is freshman year. The next two years were on avg for other running backs. Adrian Peterson had almost 200 more touches going into the NFL without all the bruising that AP did. AP is a freak athletically but Bijan has that same build is is a little more bulky because AP was taller but same weight. 
 

The SEC talk is overrated to be honest. The SEC is definitely the best conference and that I cannot argue but all it says to me is that if you ball in SEC you legit. But there are a ton of guys that come from Big10 and Big12 that ball in the nfl too. The trending date you are using is not helping your argument. Again the OL is a priority but history tells us the eagles aren’t great at drafting 1st round Olinemen and they are one of the best teams at drafting Olinemen in the later rounds and developing them.

I have several players I would like instead of Bijan but if they are gone I would not skip on elite talent because of position. I honestly think that the dumbest thing the Eagles can do is trade down. They will likely not be in the top 10 again unless something catastrophic occurs. They need to get a top 10 talent in this draft.

Agreed... top 10 talent that's not a RB

5 hours ago, judunno said:

I can almost guarantee that Will Anderson, Jalen Carter, Tyree Wilson, Myles Murphy, Parris Johnson, and Broderick Jones are at the top of their boards for 10. I bet they are praying that the QBs and Bijan go before they pick.

I don't know that I'd agree on all those guys but I'm sure that Bijan isn't their top pick in the draft if they were picking #2 and didn't trade out

24 minutes ago, judunno said:

Agreed... top 10 talent that's not a RB

Lol trolling at its worse

2 minutes ago, philafan4o8 said:

Lol trolling at its worse

Just a different view from the fanboys :)