Anyone with two brain cells to rub together that reads the questions understands two things...

1. Moving negatively at the same velocity under Biden means nothing has changed in terms of the negative direction of the country and Biden is as bad as Trump.
2. Stagnate under Biden means Biden has managed to stop the Trump bleeding and the direction of the country is no longer getting worse, but also not getting better.

I'll just flat out say it... anyone who conflates those two questions and thinks they are the same is just an idiot. Plain and simple. They just aren't smart. I am also not surprised by the list of people who are indeed struggling to distinguish the difference between the two.

17 minutes ago, Procus said:

Stupid meme BTW

I will freely admit that when it comes to producing humerous CVON content I've got a ways to go to catch up with you.

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

Holy **** you're dumb.

It's this kind of intellectual stimulation that I come here for. 

3 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together that reads the questions understands two things...

1. Moving negatively at the same velocity under Biden means nothing has changed in terms of the negative direction of the country and Biden is as bad as Trump.
2. Stagnate under Biden means Biden has managed to stop the Trump bleeding and the direction of the country is no longer getting worse, but also not getting better.

I'll just flat out say it... anyone who conflates those two questions and thinks they are the same is just an idiot. Plain and simple. They just aren't smart. I am also not surprised by the list of people who are indeed struggling to distinguish the difference between the two.

Yes, despite the fact that I misspelled "velocity” in a typo and then didn’t use the right form of "stagnant”.

11 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

It's this kind of intellectual stimulation that I come here for. 

sometimes a post is so stupid that it's clear no amount of "intellectual stimulation" is going to help.

17 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

1. Moving negatively at the same velocity under Biden means nothing has changed in terms of the negative direction of the country and Biden is as bad as Trump.
2. Stagnate under Biden means Biden has managed to stop the Trump bleeding and the direction of the country is no longer getting worse, but also not getting better.

Glad you can admit Trump was bad, and Biden has stopped the Trump bleeding.  

You have to stop the bleeding before the healing can begin.  Things have improved for some of us already, and your time is coming also.  Just gotta clean up the mess first.

26 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

The poll is designed to understand whether the nation is on a better or worse trajectory relative to Trump.

Logically (try to stay with me now), if some believe things are trending negatively but at a reduced velocity, Biden is the preferred candidate (unless you're an accelerationist and would rather see the world burn than see people live their lives in a manner you object to like @TEW).

The bottom three options are this indicative of votes believing that whole they may not all love Biden, they still believe the nation is better off with Biden in the White House.

This isn't that complicated.

You’ve got it wrong, buddy. The motivations you project on me are just wrong.

This isn’t a matter of spitefulness. I see the decline as inevitable. Doesn’t matter what party or politician is in charge at this point. We crossed the event horizon long ago. We can either prolong the pain or rip the bandaid off. I’d rather just get it over with. The western world has been playing kick the can down the road for generations now. Time to pay up.

58 minutes ago, TEW said:

You’ve got it wrong, buddy. The motivations you project on me are just wrong.

This isn’t a matter of spitefulness. I see the decline as inevitable. Doesn’t matter what party or politician is in charge at this point. We crossed the event horizon long ago. We can either prolong the pain or rip the bandaid off. I’d rather just get it over with. The western world has been playing kick the can down the road for generations now. Time to pay up.

Probably going to take some heat for this but I've started to come around on this a bit... but maybe for different reasons.

Nobody has really felt the consequences of their bad decisions. I look at the Democrat party as the prime example. There are serious, political factions that fall under the Democrat umbrella that prioritize pronouns and trans rights over real, substantive issues like infrastructure, tax reform, and climate change. And they're willing to hold an election hostage over it. 

It's this kind of entitlement mentality that's dragging the rest of us down. Nobody feels the consequences of their own poor decisions anymore. Which leads to entitlement mentality. I say we let the crazies run things for a decade or so. Both sides. Let the freedoms and luxury we take for granted evaporate for the ones that have something to lose. Maybe then will people have a little perspective and start to reprioritize what they're willing to compromise on. 

47 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

 

It's this kind of entitlement mentality that's dragging the rest of us down. Nobody feels the consequences of their own poor decisions anymore. Which leads to entitlement mentality. I say we let the crazies run things for a decade or so. Both sides. Let the freedoms and luxury we take for granted evaporate for the ones that have something to lose. Maybe then will people have a little perspective and start to reprioritize what they're willing to compromise on. 

Less effort to fight them than fix it afterwards.

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

Probably going to take some heat for this but I've started to come around on this a bit... but maybe for different reasons.

Nobody has really felt the consequences of their bad decisions. I look at the Democrat party as the prime example. There are serious, political factions that fall under the Democrat umbrella that prioritize pronouns and trans rights over real, substantive issues like infrastructure, tax reform, and climate change. And they're willing to hold an election hostage over it. 

It's this kind of entitlement mentality that's dragging the rest of us down. Nobody feels the consequences of their own poor decisions anymore. Which leads to entitlement mentality. I say we let the crazies run things for a decade or so. Both sides. Let the freedoms and luxury we take for granted evaporate for the ones that have something to lose. Maybe then will people have a little perspective and start to reprioritize what they're willing to compromise on. 

Yeah, exactly.

On a broader note, this stuff is super-cyclical. We’ve all seen the memes about hard men creating good times and good times creating soft men. It’s funny but there is more truth to it than most admit. WW1 and WW2 created a lot of hardness and robustness among the population.

This created unprecedented prosperity in the west for nearly a century, but it’s come on the back of debt and USD reserve status. This has allowed ever more frivolous indulgence both economically and socially.

Suffering isn’t pleasant, but it’s necessary both to get the finances back in line and, as you said, to reassess our priorities. The key for me is that there is no avoiding it. As the saying goes, there is no free lunch. 

8 minutes ago, TEW said:

Suffering isn’t pleasant, but it’s necessary both to get the finances back in line and, as you said, to reassess our priorities. The key for me is that there is no avoiding it. As the saying goes, there is no free lunch. 

Unfortunately, I'm not comfortable trusting the next generation to right this ship the way the greatest generation did during WWII

Just now, Procus said:

Unfortunately, I'm not comfortable trusting the next generation to right this ship the way the greatest generation did during WWII

The reason you don’t trust them is precisely because of the problems which have developed from the lack of hardship.

Nothing like a deep, prolonged depression and war to knock some sense into people.

16 minutes ago, Procus said:

Unfortunately, I'm not comfortable trusting the next generation to right this ship the way the greatest generation did during WWII

Please boomer, tell me your tales of woe.

I actually agree with more of TEW's assessment than I'd prefer, though I'm not as dire in the predictions. But I worry overmuch about the world my kids will grow up in.

But anyone over 55-60 is part of the generation that contributed more to this problem than millennials ever will. If only because the boomers have taken more than their share for the entirety of their time, and millennials are the ones being saddled with their debt.

I say this as a genxer. Every generation has its entitled and problems, but boomers turned all those up to 11. I'm glad I managed to be tucked in between and wasn't stupid enough to take on the debts boomers egged me on to take.

7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Please boomer, tell me your tales of woe.

I actually agree with more of TEW's assessment than I'd prefer, though I'm not as dire in the predictions. But I worry overmuch about the world my kids will grow up in.

But anyone over 55-60 is part of the generation that contributed more to this problem than millennials ever will. If only because the boomers have taken more than their share for the entirety of their time, and millennials are the ones being saddled with their debt.

I say this as a genxer. Every generation has its entitled and problems, but boomers turned all those up to 11. I'm glad I managed to be tucked in between and wasn't stupid enough to take on the debts boomers egged me on to take.

I agree that the boomer gen has in large part created this mess.  But the gen that follows with all their bs is considerably less equipped if you ask me.

16 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Please boomer, tell me your tales of woe.

I actually agree with more of TEW's assessment than I'd prefer, though I'm not as dire in the predictions. But I worry overmuch about the world my kids will grow up in.

But anyone over 55-60 is part of the generation that contributed more to this problem than millennials ever will. If only because the boomers have taken more than their share for the entirety of their time, and millennials are the ones being saddled with their debt.

I say this as a genxer. Every generation has its entitled and problems, but boomers turned all those up to 11. I'm glad I managed to be tucked in between and wasn't stupid enough to take on the debts boomers egged me on to take.

Part of the problem with boomers is they didn’t have enough kids to fulfill their demand. They needed to average 4+ kids. Had they done this, the entitlements wouldn’t be such a problem and the coming liquidation drain on retirement could be filled by an even bigger generation.

EDIT:

As for dire predictions, I guess I should be specific. Collapse doesn’t have to be mad max. Collapse can be a reversal in living standards and general failure of systems that previously worked. We’ve grown up in a world where there were hardly ever any energy shortages, food shortages, etc.

Decline can be an unreliable energy grid, gas shortages, supermarkets that no longer always have every item, all things costing more, lower labor participation, cultural decline, etc.

The possibility of Mad Max is on the table but not an eventuality. The more likely scenario is something like Brazil or South Africa or Argentina where people are poorer with a small elite of super wealthy, unreliable infrastructure, increase in violent crime and corruption, etc.

NUANCE!

 

 

"Biden talks weird!" says the guy who named his kid X AE X-ii

5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

"Biden talks weird!" says the guy who named his kid X AE X-ii

Biden = Puppet leader of the free world - with apparent cognitive decline

VS

Musk= Eccentric Entreprenuer with Aspergers

And yet I'd rather listen to what Musk has to say, and I trust him more than Biden.  Not implicitly, but a great deal more. 

15 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Biden = Puppet leader of the free world - with apparent cognitive decline

VS

Musk= Eccentric Entreprenuer with Aspergers

And yet I'd rather listen to what Musk has to say, and I trust him more than Biden.  Not implicitly, but a great deal more. 

Did Hannity tell you to think that way, or was it Ingraham?

8 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Did Hannity tell you to think that way, or was it Ingraham?

Well, at least he's not being told the way to think by Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon the way you are. 

And let's not forget your idol Joy Behar!

4 minutes ago, Procus said:

Well, at least he's not being told the way to think by Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon the way you are. 

And let's not forget your idol Joy Behar!

I pay no attention to people who get so easily duped by the media. Gauranteed he fell hard for every fasle narrative against conservatives. He cant help that he consistently falls for bais confirmation narratives.  He is just another gullible liberal. It just proves he has zero objectivity. 

Sorry Doc - looks like Monmouth didn't nuance its poll either.

 

17 minutes ago, Procus said:

Sorry Doc - looks like Monmouth didn't nuance its poll either.

 

It's funny there are those with their heads in the sand, doubling down, trying to nuance a justification of how they voted in 2020. One cannot be truly objective and insist we are doing better now under Biden.  In every possible way, by every possible measurement, we are worse, and would be even more so, if Biden would get his way with all he has tried to do. 

 

All Biden had to do, was just come in, and not do much and we would have been so much better off.