Cast your votes.

Russian forces were fighting in Ukraine throughout the entire Trump presidency.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Russian forces were fighting in Ukraine throughout the entire Trump presidency.

do tell

I will wait for the nuanced poll to vote

Just now, Procus said:

do tell

The armed conflict in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014. Between then and early 2022, it had already  killed over 14,000 people. Over the course of eight years, Ukrainian government forces fought  Russian-backed separatists for control over much of the two heavily industrialised regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, also known as Donbas.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I will wait for the nuanced poll to vote

Vote or die!!!!

How did Trump weaken NATO ?. one of few good things he did was put pressure on other countries to contribute more, is there another option, neither is valid really although the first is more valid

Just now, Joe Shades 73 said:

How did Trump weaken NATO ?. one of few good thingn he did was put pressure on other countries to contribute more, is there another option, neither is valid really

It's all bs.  They invent a reason without factual backup, you give them reasons WITH factual backup, and he says you haven't given him a reason.  Go argue with someone like that.

7 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

How did Trump weaken NATO ?. one of few good things he did was put pressure on other countries to contribute more, is there another option, neither is valid really although the first is more valid

He said it was outdated and unnecessary and hinted multiple times that he thought the US should leave it. Without the US, NATO dissolves. Trump's rhetoric regarding NATO was cowardly and pathetic and served only the Soviets national security interests. 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

He said it was outdated and unnecessary and hinted multiple times that he thought the US should leave it. Without the US, NATO dissolves. Trump's rhetoric regarding NATO was cowardly and pathetic and served only the Soviets national security interests. 

So in other words, NATO was inextricably weakened by Trump so much that Putin decided to invade (but not before Biden bungled the Afghan withdrawal).

If NATO is so weak, then why do Finland and Sweden want to join?  And as a follow up, where have you seen this theory of the timing of the invasion other than on the Eagles Message Boards?

25 minutes ago, Procus said:

do tell

Uhh, is this a serious response? 

NATO was weaponing up due to agreements from 2014 after Russia's annexation of Crimea.

It was an open secret that Trump wanted to pull the US from NATO. Putin figured having a useful idiot in the White House who was hostile towards NATO and making moves to reduce America's projection of military power around the world might make for a better environment to engage in imperialistic military actions. So he waited.

This isn't that complicated. Unless you actually buy into the notion that Trump was somehow tough.

I can't help that sort of mental issue. See a professional.

Brilliant.  I see you're from the John Bolton crew.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

If it's not so complicated, go out on the net and find a source outside the EMB who supports this ridiculous theory.

It's not my job to educate you, nor is it my problem that your parents failed to.

 

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's not my job to educate you, nor is it my problem that your parents failed to.

Okay idiot - here's a video that supports your point of view.  Most of the country disagrees.

 

Here's an interesting piece from the Intercept.

https://theintercept.com/2022/03/11/russia-putin-ukraine-invasion-us-intelligence/

U.S. Intelligence Says Putin Made a Last-Minute Decision to Invade Ukraine

The U.S. likely relied in part on intercepted communications among senior Russian government and military officials.

James Risen

March 11 2022

4 minutes ago, Procus said:

 

Okay idiot - here's a video that supports your point of view.  Most of the country disagrees.

 

Well thanks for that evidence, you have convinced me to vote option 2.

because trump is so handsome and powerful that putin was scurred!  

One thing I think we can all agree on is that thank God he invaded under Biden because if Trump was President Ukraine would've fallen months ago.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

One thing I think we can all agree on is that thank God he invaded under Biden because if Trump was President Ukraine would've fallen months ago.

I wonder how many of our troops would have died as part of the invasion if Trump was POTUS ??

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Well thanks for that evidence, you have convinced me to vote option 2.

Unlike those who you support, I believe in free speech and am not afraid of opposing points of view.

Just now, downundermike said:

I wonder how many of our troops would have died as part of the invasion if Trump was POTUS ??

Probably none, just like with Biden, it's just that Trump would've praised Putin (we know that for a fact, since that's exactly what he did back in February), wouldn't have even tried to rally the world (and no one would've listened anyway since he's so hated globally), and would have skimped on military aid.  Zero doubt that Putin would've achieved his goals by now.

I see Boogyman voted for the second option.  Makes me seriously reconsider my position . . .

5 minutes ago, Procus said:

Unlike those who you support, I believe in free speech and am not afraid of opposing points of view.

8 minutes ago, Procus said:

Unlike those who you support, I believe in free speech and am not afraid of opposing points of view.