11 minutes ago, Bill said:

Literally only have a shotgun and my duty pistols from when I was on the job. Haven’t shot them or carried a gun in years. 

Also most of the "mass shootings” are gang and drug related shootings. So, one a day in a heterogeneous country that spans an entire continent and has 330 million people? Yeah, in statistics that’s an anomaly.

Try again. 

No. It isn't. 

1 hour ago, Talkingbirds said:

My money is on gang bangers that can’t shoot straight.

 

 

 

 

(@Shepard Wong?)

 

Are we in the "Thoughts and prayers” part of the cycle yet? The hope for change ended after Sandy Hook when kids were slaughtered and nothing was done. And then re-emphasized in Uvalde when more kids were slaughtered. 

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

No. It isn't. 

Boy, you guys love data when MAGAts are being stupid about a pandemic and a vaccine. 
 

Not so much about crime, though. 

2 minutes ago, Bill said:

Boy, you guys love data when MAGAts are being stupid about a pandemic and a vaccine. 
 

Not so much about crime, though. 

Depends entirely on the context. If we're talking about kids, firearms are the leading cause of death in this country. 

 

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The United States experiences more mass shootings than any other nations in the world. Various entities have sought to collect data on this phenomenon, but there is no scholarly consensus regarding how best to define mass shootings. As a result, existing datasets include different incidents, limiting our understanding of the impact of mass gun violence in the U.S.

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10192935/

58 minutes ago, Bill said:

Boy, you guys love data when MAGAts are being stupid about a pandemic and a vaccine. 
 

Not so much about crime, though. 

Please explain to me how such a large difference in gun violence rates/mass shooting rates/gun related deaths/gun related pediatric deaths that has persisted (even worsened) for decades between the United States and every other westernized country on the planet could possibly be considered a "statistical anomaly"?  That's not what that term mean by any stretch of the imagination.

You think that our country's demographics and history makes it such that increased in gun violence is inevitable regardless of intervention?  You think the increased in gun violence rates are a reasonable price to pay for the protections provided by the second amendment?  You think the sole reason for these statistical differences between other countries are immigrants or gang bangers and therefore shouldn't affect law abiding citizens?  Fine.  I may not agree but that's at least a debatable stance that I can respect.

You think that the persistent and frankly massive difference in US gun related and any other country on the planet that doesn't list "opium and child brides" among their primary exports is just statistical noise?  Yeah that's borderline retarded behavior and deserves to be mocked 🤷‍♂️

57 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Depends entirely on the context. If we're talking about kids, firearms are the leading cause of death in this country. 

CDC is saying unintentional accidents are the leading causes of most of the age groups in children

I'm not arguing with your (general "you" not you specifically) war on firearms that always happens in here after a shooting

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

CDC is saying unintentional accidents are the leading causes of most of the age groups in children

I'm not arguing with your (general "you" not you specifically) war on firearms that always happens in here after a shooting

Too late! Get him!

I'm just sayin

even alpha particles have mass

mass shooting?

ernst Rutherford?

3 hours ago, Bill said:

Yeah, in statistics that’s an anomaly.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

CDC is saying unintentional accidents are the leading causes of most of the age groups in children

I'm not arguing with your (general "you" not you specifically) war on firearms that always happens in here after a shooting

Correct. Unintentional accidents involving firearms. Because parents are stupid and leave them lying around or never lock them up to begin with. It used to be car accidents until a few years ago. Cars are getting safer and parents are getting dumber.

Oh no Dave liked one of my posts! I'm a cuck now!

Just now, DEagle7 said:

Oh no Dave liked one of my posts! I'm a cuck now!

Pointing out statistics in CVON is a losing cause my friend.  I checked around and the only solution to gun violence is more people owning guns.

2 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Are we in the "Thoughts and prayers” part of the cycle yet? The hope for change ended after Sandy Hook when kids were slaughtered and nothing was done. And then re-emphasized in Uvalde when more kids were slaughtered. 

Today is the 6th anniversary of Parkland fwiw.  

@mr_hunt your hero is still at it

1 hour ago, Arthur Jackson said:

I'm just sayin

even alpha particles have mass

mass shooting?

ernst Rutherford?

I think it’s hilarious you make posts like this about mass shootings, but then make lots of (sort of) normal posts in the Israel thread.  I honestly find you so fascinating.  Like in the same way I find Charles Manson fascinating…

14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I think it’s hilarious you make posts like this about mass shootings, but then make lots of (sort of) normal posts in the Israel thread.  I honestly find it fascinating 

Arthur makes normal posts?

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Arthur makes normal posts?

Yeah, but only in the Israel thread

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Arthur makes normal posts?

Making fun of Dave in the Israel thread is pretty normal 

16 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Making fun of Dave in the Israel thread is pretty normal 

Well, if you want some statistics from Gaza

13,000 kids killed.  I don’t care if y’all make fun of me.  I think it’s insane.

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Please explain to me how such a large difference in gun violence rates/mass shooting rates/gun related deaths/gun related pediatric deaths that has persisted (even worsened) for decades between the United States and every other westernized country on the planet could possibly be considered a "statistical anomaly"?  That's not what that term mean by any stretch of the imagination.

You think that our country's demographics and history makes it such that increased in gun violence is inevitable regardless of intervention?  You think the increased in gun violence rates are a reasonable price to pay for the protections provided by the second amendment?  You think the sole reason for these statistical differences between other countries are immigrants or gang bangers and therefore shouldn't affect law abiding citizens?  Fine.  I may not agree but that's at least a debatable stance that I can respect.

You think that the persistent and frankly massive difference in US gun related and any other country on the planet that doesn't list "opium and child brides" among their primary exports is just statistical noise?  Yeah that's borderline retarded behavior and deserves to be mocked 🤷‍♂️

No, what deserves to be mocked is taking a country as complex as the US, both with its government and populace, and comparing it to another western country that is the size of a few states and does not have the same socio economic issues that the US has. 
 

The worsening firearm homicide rate you’re talking about? It went from .00004 per capita in 1968 to .00006 per capita in 2021, even with 2021 being a record year, and that high coming down. We saw a drop in firearm homicide rates in the early 90s that persisted to the mid 2010s, thanks largely to the crime bill. The phenomenon of active shooters started in the 80s, and took off in the late 90s, in spite of a lower overall firearm homicide rate during the late 90s. As a note, in 1993 the per capita firearm homicide rate was .00007. So there goes your "increased rates” argument right out the window. 
 

Also, while we are on it, more murders happen with knives than they do by rifles of any type, so the whole assault weapon argument in an active shooter goes away because with an active shooter using an assault weapon you’re looking at a statistical anomaly wrapped in a statistical anomaly. 

In order to make the statistics look larger, a few years ago anti-gunners started lumping in large gang related shootings in with active shootings, even though from a criminological standpoint they’re two different types of violent offenses. And even then with the peak of the overall number of firearm homicides in 2021 it’s still on par with 1993 from a statistical standpoint. 
 

And then there’s the whole lumping in of all firearm related deaths to pump the numbers up, even though most of those numbers are due to suicides. And suicides are a combination of factors ranging from cultural to general mental health. South Korea has no guns, yet per capita their suicide rate dwarfs the US. 
 

The main issue is that the bill is about 30 years old, and from the standpoint of the criminal justice system that’s now a generation ago. So the reforms that were made have now gone by the wayside because there’s a new generation of judges, prosecutors, cops, and politicians. 
 

Theres 330 million people living heterogeneously in the most complex country the planet has ever seen. We’re going to have issues other countries don’t. 
 

You want to make a big dent in firearm violence? Start locking criminals up like we did in the 90s. Until then, it won’t change, even if you "ban” them.

11 minutes ago, Bill said:

No, what deserves to be mocked is taking a country as complex as the US, both with its government and populace, and comparing it to another western country that is the size of a few states and does not have the same socio economic issues that the US has. 
 

The worsening firearm homicide rate you’re talking about? It went from .00004 per capita in 1968 to .00006 per capita in 2021, even with 2021 being a record year, and that high coming down. We saw a drop in firearm homicide rates in the early 90s that persisted to the mid 2010s, thanks largely to the crime bill. The phenomenon of active shooters started in the 80s, and took off in the late 90s, in spite of a lower overall firearm homicide rate during the late 90s. As a note, in 1993 the per capita firearm homicide rate was .00007. So there goes your "increased rates” argument right out the window. 
 

Also, while we are on it, more murders happen with knives than they do by rifles of any type, so the whole assault weapon argument in an active shooter goes away because with an active shooter using an assault weapon you’re looking at a statistical anomaly wrapped in a statistical anomaly. 

In order to make the statistics look larger, a few years ago anti-gunners started lumping in large gang related shootings in with active shootings, even though from a criminological standpoint they’re two different types of violent offenses. And even then with the peak of the overall number of firearm homicides in 2021 it’s still on par with 1993 from a statistical standpoint. 
 

And then there’s the whole lumping in of all firearm related deaths to pump the numbers up, even though most of those numbers are due to suicides. And suicides are a combination of factors ranging from cultural to general mental health. South Korea has no guns, yet per capita their suicide rate dwarfs the US. 
 

The main issue is that the bill is about 30 years old, and from the standpoint of the criminal justice system that’s now a generation ago. So the reforms that were made have now gone by the wayside because there’s a new generation of judges, prosecutors, cops, and politicians. 
 

Theres 330 million people living heterogeneously in the most complex country the planet has ever seen. We’re going to have issues other countries don’t. 
 

You want to make a big dent in firearm violence? Start locking criminals up like we did in the 90s. Until then, it won’t change, even if you "ban” them.

The United States doesn’t restrict who can get a gun.  Guns are cheap and easy to get.  The gun lobby is powerful enough in the U.S. to stop the issue of mass shootings from being addressed.

it’s not that complex of an issue 

8 hours ago, Bill said:

No, what deserves to be mocked is taking a country as complex as the US, both with its government and populace, and comparing it to another western country that is the size of a few states and does not have the same socio economic issues that the US has. 
 

The worsening firearm homicide rate you’re talking about? It went from .00004 per capita in 1968 to .00006 per capita in 2021, even with 2021 being a record year, and that high coming down. We saw a drop in firearm homicide rates in the early 90s that persisted to the mid 2010s, thanks largely to the crime bill. The phenomenon of active shooters started in the 80s, and took off in the late 90s, in spite of a lower overall firearm homicide rate during the late 90s. As a note, in 1993 the per capita firearm homicide rate was .00007. So there goes your "increased rates” argument right out the window. 
 

Also, while we are on it, more murders happen with knives than they do by rifles of any type, so the whole assault weapon argument in an active shooter goes away because with an active shooter using an assault weapon you’re looking at a statistical anomaly wrapped in a statistical anomaly. 

In order to make the statistics look larger, a few years ago anti-gunners started lumping in large gang related shootings in with active shootings, even though from a criminological standpoint they’re two different types of violent offenses. And even then with the peak of the overall number of firearm homicides in 2021 it’s still on par with 1993 from a statistical standpoint. 
 

And then there’s the whole lumping in of all firearm related deaths to pump the numbers up, even though most of those numbers are due to suicides. And suicides are a combination of factors ranging from cultural to general mental health. South Korea has no guns, yet per capita their suicide rate dwarfs the US. 
 

The main issue is that the bill is about 30 years old, and from the standpoint of the criminal justice system that’s now a generation ago. So the reforms that were made have now gone by the wayside because there’s a new generation of judges, prosecutors, cops, and politicians. 
 

Theres 330 million people living heterogeneously in the most complex country the planet has ever seen. We’re going to have issues other countries don’t. 
 

You want to make a big dent in firearm violence? Start locking criminals up like we did in the 90s. Until then, it won’t change, even if you "ban” them.

So to recap: a 50% increase in firearm related deaths doesn't look that bad if you boil it down to pure "total % chance of being killed by a gun between 2 specific years" despite being pretty much on par with car accident deaths per capita at this point , we must ignore any relative statistics to other countries because the US is such a special snowflake of a county that it's inevitable that there would be a several fold relative gun death rate no matter what we do (socioeconomics, heterogenocity, trust me bro), suicides shouldn't count towards gun deaths because "anti gunners" correctly point but that access to firearms increases that chance of successful suicides and also Korea is super depressed, the US is the only place where gang violence occurs and is incorporated into gun death statistics so they don't totally count, and you still conflate the idea of something being less likely than something else with the term "statistical anomaly". 

That was a lot of effort to put into still being wrong. I'm impressed. Well done.