Top 3 Least Favorite Eagles

[EaglePhan1986]

2 hours ago, wholesale_Melvin said:

not a name i'd expect to see on a list like this. 

He was annoying AF and overrated. 

[wholesale_Melvin]

5 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

He was annoying AF and overrated. 

Fair enough opinion.

[JohnB]

On 6/5/2020 at 9:51 AM, hputenis said:

 

I think so

On 6/5/2020 at 7:40 PM, EaglePhan1986 said:

Patrick Chung 

Malcolm Jenkins 

Greg Lewis 

basically any CB over the past 10 seasons 

when I think it's that many corners over that much period of time, I can't help but wonder if it's the players, or the coach, or the scheme. 

[RUEagle]

TO

Malcolm Jenkins

Nnamdi 

[Guest]

On 6/3/2020 at 10:05 AM, hputenis said:

Asomugha, Byron Maxwell, Danny Watkins

Finally found one to quote that is my list.

[PhillyGreenMachine]

3 hours ago, JohnB said:

I think so

when I think it's that many corners over that much period of time, I can't help but wonder if it's the players, or the coach, or the scheme. 

It’s the scheme 

[Boogyman]

DRC

Considine

Sammy Sleeves

[hputenis]

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Finally found one to quote that is my list.

I try to channel my hate subjectively (or is it objectively...I can never remember).  Byron Maxwell and Asomugha were 2 of the highest paid corners ever, and they both sucked beyond belief.  A first round draft pick completely wasted on an old fireman.  For how much that costs a franchise, these 3 piss me off to no end.  People mention Considine.  He was a 4th round pick.  Who cares??  As much as we make fun of him he cost the franchise nothing, and he did more on the field than any of the 3 I listed.  

[Eagles_48496017]

On 6/4/2020 at 8:25 AM, mjkvol said:

Reid  (not a player, but the thread title doesn't specify)

McCoy

Vick

If I had to choose a third player, it would be Jackson.

U sound like a Chip Kelly guy

On 6/4/2020 at 3:46 PM, Alphagrand said:

1.  Michael Haddix

2.  Jalen Mills

3.  Nelson Agholor

 

I tend to get particularly incensed by players the organization seems to like, even though they consistently under-perform. 

Short-term guys would be Babin, Romanowski, Cooper 

Only clowns hate Agholar 

did he live up to first round talent? No , BUT he was a huge part of that super bowl team 

[Alphagrand]

18 minutes ago, Eagles_48496017 said:

Only clowns hate Agholar 

did he live up to first round talent? No , BUT he was a huge part of that super bowl team

Hardly.  In his best season he was adequate, nothing better.  He didn't put up any numbers Matthews wasn't already giving even in his worst season -- for a FAR cheaper price.

Who was better in the Super Bowl?  Foles, Jeffery, Ertz, Clement, Blount .... not even including the OL guys.  Huge part, my arse.

[Eagles_48496017]

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Hardly.  In his best season he was adequate, nothing better.  He didn't put up any numbers Matthews wasn't already giving even in his worst season -- for a FAR cheaper price.

Who was better in the Super Bowl?  Foles, Jeffery, Ertz, Clement, Blount .... not even including the OL guys.  Huge part, my arse.

Not everyone can be a superstar 

he was a solid contributor in 2017

62 catches for 768 and 8 TDs  is very solid for a 3rd WR 

he had 9 catches for 84 yards in super bowl including 3 straight catches for 38 yards to set up Ertz TD 

he was a big part of that win 

[Alphagrand]

3 minutes ago, Eagles_48496017 said:

Not everyone can be a superstar 

he was a solid contributor in 2017

62 catches for 768 and 8 TDs  is very solid for a 3rd WR 

he had 9 catches for 84 yards in super bowl including 3 straight catches for 38 yards to set up Ertz TD 

he was a big part of that win 

Nah --  the Eagles put up 538 yards of offense in the game -- more than 450 that had nothing to do with Agholor.  He made zero big plays that anyone will remember 10 years from now.

Mills also led the Eagles in tackles in the Super Bowl; doesn't mean he played well.

[Eagles_48496017]

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Nah --  the Eagles put up 538 yards of offense in the game -- more than 450 that had nothing to do with Agholor.  He made zero big plays that anyone will remember 10 years from now.

Mills also led the Eagles in tackles in the Super Bowl; doesn't mean he played well.

Can’t argue with a hater 

those 3 catches on super bowl winning drive weren’t important? 

[eaglesfan0075]

Vince Young - Started the Dream Team nonsense in the 2011 pre-season as a backup QB with the only positive contribution being a regular season win, during an otherwise losing season. He started a hype train that crashed and burned in magnificent fashion. He was supposed to be a high-end QB2, but went 1-2 as a starter and had a 4:9 QB to INT ratio, which is underwhelming.

Nnamdi Asomugha - You can only blame a change in defensive scheme for so much of your struggles if you are a guy who is considered a shutdown CB in the same class as Darrelle Revis. There is no doubt that Nnamdi's disappointing tenure with the Eagles falls squarely on him. I won't put Byron Maxwell here, because we all knew deep down that he was a glorified CB2 that the Eagles overpaid out of desperation, not a reflection of his true ability. Nnamdi helped turn an unknown WR from UMass by the name of Victor Cruz into a star. Asomugha is probably the biggest free agent bust in team history. Byron Maxwell at least was able to be flipped with Kiko Alonso to trade up for Carson Wentz.

Danny Watkins - Why even declare for the NFL draft if you prefer being a firefighter to begin with? Watkins makes this list because he was considered a consensus late 1st round/early 2nd round prospect in the pre-draft process, unlike Marcus Smith II, who was a 3rd round prospect who some thought may sneak into late round 2 because of the lack of depth at DE in 2014 until Chip Kelly reached for him in Round 1. Smith can't be faulted for being drafted too high and busting, but Watkins certainly can, since the Eagles could have done a better job of doing their homework on him and take a chance on someone else instead.

There are certainly several others that have disappointed greatly, but I feel these three truly exemplify the expectation:performance ratio that goes into being an all-time hated Eagle.

[Fresh_Prince]

2 hours ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

Danny Watkins - Why even declare for the NFL draft if you prefer being a firefighter to begin with?

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[PhillyGreenMachine]

3 hours ago, Eagles_48496017 said:

Can’t argue with a hater 

those 3 catches on super bowl winning drive weren’t important? 

Nelson Agholor was not good for most of his career. Was he the worst player ever? No! Was he a MAJOR disappointment? Sure. Biggest issue is that there weren't that many good WRs to be drafted after him. 

[Eagles_48496017]

56 minutes ago, PhillyGreenMachine said:

Nelson Agholor was not good for most of his career. Was he the worst player ever? No! Was he a MAJOR disappointment? Sure. Biggest issue is that there weren't that many good WRs to be drafted after him. 

Does he deserve to be considered one of 3 most hated players in team history ?

hell F’ing no

its absurd to feel that way for anyone

he gave us one good year and was a key contributor all season

Cant hate him for that 

[PhillyGreenMachine]

9 minutes ago, Eagles_48496017 said:

Does he deserve to be considered one of 3 most hated players in team history ?

hell F’ing no

its absurd to feel that way for anyone

he gave us one good year and was a key contributor all season

Cant hate him for that 

To be fair, the list is supposed to be subjective. 

[Eagles_48496017]

5 hours ago, PhillyGreenMachine said:

To be fair, the list is supposed to be subjective. 

I can’t let that one slide 

there are so many other people to hate far worse than  Aglolor 

recency bias and a complete lack of football knowledge is why the dude said his name in the first place 

[PhillyGreenMachine]

1 hour ago, Eagles_48496017 said:

I can’t let that one slide 

there are so many other people to hate far worse than  Aglolor 

recency bias and a complete lack of football knowledge is why the dude said his name in the first place 

I mean, I know eagles fans that hate nick Foles. And hated him since before 2013.

[eaglesfan0075]

18 hours ago, Eagles_48496017 said:

Does he deserve to be considered one of 3 most hated players in team history ?

hell F’ing no

its absurd to feel that way for anyone

he gave us one good year and was a key contributor all season

Cant hate him for that 

 

18 hours ago, PhillyGreenMachine said:

To be fair, the list is supposed to be subjective. 

 

Yeah, as much of a roller-coaster career Agholor had with the Eagles, I don't think he cracks the top 3 of most HATED players in team history. He definitely joins the list of disappointing 1st round picks. While he hasn't outright busted like Marcus Smith or Danny Watkins, Agholor's career ranged from him being a below average WR3 to a decent WR3 in 2017-2018. 1st round WRs should be above average starting outside WRs, so yes that is why we are disappointed in Agholor's production. If Agholor was a 3rd round pick and put up these numbers, we wouldn't be talking about him this way.

Slightly off-topic, but I think this is part of the logic that went into taking Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson in Round 1. Jefferson was a beast in the slot as a junior, following an okay year on the outside as a sophomore. Jalen Reagor surely presents with more risk given the lack of career production in a weak Big 12 conference, but possesses more athleticism and upside to be the outside speed WR this team desperately needs. The Eagles didn't want to go the "safe route" and get burned they way they did with Jordan Matthews and Nelson Agholor, two players who put up big numbers in college, but had less upside than other players who weren't as productive in college, and ultimately had superior careers in the NFL. I can't knock them for that particular selection. 

Maybe a good analogy is that Nelson Agholor was to Carson Wentz what Freddie Mitchell was to Donovan McNabb. Both players did not live up to their 1st round billing and needed to be surrounded by better WRs to be at their "best" (in Mitchell's case it was TO and Pinkston, whereas in Agholor's case it was Alshon Jeffrey and Torrey Smith), but they did just enough to stick around with the team going into the Super Bowl year.

Freddie Mitchell never had a 700 yard plus season in his career, whereas Agholor did it twice in his 5 years with the team. Agholor has had plenty of mind-boggling drops and mental lapses in his career, but you can't take away the fact that he's played well in his niche role as the WR3. Most of his struggles came when he was pushed to be "the guy" and play on the outside.

Nelson Agholor > Freddie Mitchell

He's not making my list of favorite Eagles by any means, but he's definitely not on my hate list.

[PhillyGreenMachine]

35 minutes ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

 

 

Yeah, as much of a roller-coaster career Agholor had with the Eagles, I don't think he cracks the top 3 of most HATED players in team history. He definitely joins the list of disappointing 1st round picks. While he hasn't outright busted like Marcus Smith or Danny Watkins, Agholor's career ranged from him being a below average WR3 to a decent WR3 in 2017-2018. 1st round WRs should be above average starting outside WRs, so yes that is why we are disappointed in Agholor's production. If Agholor was a 3rd round pick and put up these numbers, we wouldn't be talking about him this way.

Slightly off-topic, but I think this is part of the logic that went into taking Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson in Round 1. Jefferson was a beast in the slot as a junior, following an okay year on the outside as a sophomore. Jalen Reagor surely presents with more risk given the lack of career production in a weak Big 12 conference, but possesses more athleticism and upside to be the outside speed WR this team desperately needs. The Eagles didn't want to go the "safe route" and get burned they way they did with Jordan Matthews and Nelson Agholor, two players who put up big numbers in college, but had less upside than other players who weren't as productive in college, and ultimately had superior careers in the NFL. I can't knock them for that particular selection. 

Maybe a good analogy is that Nelson Agholor was to Carson Wentz what Freddie Mitchell was to Donovan McNabb. Both players did not live up to their 1st round billing and needed to be surrounded by better WRs to be at their "best" (in Mitchell's case it was TO and Pinkston, whereas in Agholor's case it was Alshon Jeffrey and Torrey Smith), but they did just enough to stick around with the team going into the Super Bowl year.

Freddie Mitchell never had a 700 yard plus season in his career, whereas Agholor did it twice in his 5 years with the team. Agholor has had plenty of mind-boggling drops and mental lapses in his career, but you can't take away the fact that he's played well in his niche role as the WR3. Most of his struggles came when he was pushed to be "the guy" and play on the outside.

Nelson Agholor > Freddie Mitchell

He's not making my list of favorite Eagles by any means, but he's definitely not on my hate list.

Well I watched Reagor out of TCU all season because my wife is a fan. I wanted Jefferson more, but I was pleased to have Reagor. Wasn't upset not to get CeeDee because I knew he would never fall that far. 

People look at college stats way too much when talking about college transitions to the NFL when they don't mean anything. 

[eaglesfan0075]

23 hours ago, PhillyGreenMachine said:

Well I watched Reagor out of TCU all season because my wife is a fan. I wanted Jefferson more, but I was pleased to have Reagor. Wasn't upset not to get CeeDee because I knew he would never fall that far. 

People look at college stats way too much when talking about college transitions to the NFL when they don't mean anything. 

I liked Reagor too early on in the pre-draft process and several people on TATE and IWTETG were on board with him potentially being our 1st round pick during the course of the regular season, well before the Combine. However, guys like Justin Jefferson and Denzel Mims became very popular after the National Championship game and Combine respectively.

The general feeling on the EMB shifted from "Jalen Reagor is the WR the Eagles should draft if they win too many games to land Henry Ruggs" to "We should take Justin Jefferson at 21 or trade down for Reagor/Aiyuk/Mims if Jefferson is off the board".

As for CeeDee Lamb, I wouldn't have traded a king's ransom to switch spots with the Falcons, but the Jalen Hurts selection does make the hypothetical prospect of trading away a 2nd round pick more palatable. My guess is that they wanted more than a 1st and 2nd, which would have been too much, or simply didn't want to lose AJ Terrell. 

[PhillyGreenMachine]

14 minutes ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

I liked Reagor too early on in the pre-draft process and several people on TATE and IWTETG were on board with him potentially being our 1st round pick during the course of the regular season, well before the Combine. However, guys like Justin Jefferson and Denzel Mims became very popular after the National Championship game and Combine respectively.

The general feeling on the EMB shifted from "Jalen Reagor is the WR the Eagles should draft if they win too many games to land Henry Ruggs" to "We should take Justin Jefferson at 21 or trade down for Reagor/Aiyuk/Mims if Jefferson is off the board".

As for CeeDee Lamb, I wouldn't have traded a king's ransom to switch spots with the Falcons, but the Jalen Hurts selection does make the hypothetical prospect of trading away a 2nd round pick more palatable. My guess is that they wanted more than a 1st and 2nd, which would have been too much, or simply didn't want to lose AJ Terrell. 

Didn’t expect Ruggs to go first. Though Jeudy and Lamb were better. Jefferson was 1A, Reagor was 1B and Aiyuk was 1C.

Yeah, the Falcons were never trading out of 17.

[Dawkamania06]

Nnamdi Asomugha

Nnamdi Asomugha

Nnamdi Asomugha

He did absolutely nothing.....brother.