7 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Just like the DT position, they probably used 1 game to determine whether or not they have the guys on the team to step up or not. If they don't think they do they will do something about it. Can't expect to replace an elite talent after 1 game

I understand and agree but was still startled at the lack of adjustment.  You can't replace Goedert but you can try to replicate his production in the aggregate, whether that means working Jackson and Calcaterra in more or utilizing the running back screens.  But one pass to the TEs in the entire game, in an offense that is largely based on passing to (checks notes) tight ends isn't going to do it. 

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

I understand and agree but was still startled at the lack of adjustment.  You can't replace Goedert but you can try to replicate his production in the aggregate, whether that means working Jackson and Calcaterra in more or utilizing the running back screens.  But one pass to the TEs in the entire game, in an offense that is largely based on passing to (checks notes) tight ends isn't going to do it. 

The TE's aren't going to be involved as much. I think we may see more 3 WR sets and an adjustment. Assuming they don't pick up a capable veteran. Just not going to be able to replace Goedert's production, even across multiple TE bodies. It will need to flow through other areas of the offense.

This game was a coaching mess and might be the only time I can actually say Gannon was better prepared than Sirianni/Steichen.  

As for the TE position, they need to pick a guy and just game plan as they usually would with Stoll or Grant playing the role of Goedert and see how they fare.  If the guy they pick is literally a disaster, then switch it up.  But they seemed to have no plan and trying to play all 3 TEs without any consistency is just plain dumb.

Since Grant is possibly the better receiver, on plays where they'd have Goedert and Stoll on the field, have Grant play the Goedert role and keep Stoll doing what he did.  On plays when it was only one TE on the field, put Grant in and see what he can do.  Sometimes coaches get too caught up in what they think they know or how they think it will go and tend to make things more complicated rather than simply just giving the next man up a real shot.

All it would take is for Hurts to hit Grant on a couple of big plays then the next thing you know is defenses will have to start accounting for him.  If Grant isn't up to the task...make it Stoll or Jackson.  The point is...pick a guy and go.

7 hours ago, nipples said:

That’s an oversimplification. If they guys they have simply aren’t good enough there’s nothing Hurts can do. Can’t just throw it to them when they are blanketed in coverage. Goedert is special because he has a knack for getting open, catching the ball, and running after the catch. None of the other guys can get open nor do they have the YAC ability. 

They're good enough to be in the NFL. We could have kept Richard Rodgers at the vet minimum and he's a capable TE2 that can catch and block, but the team chose to keep Stoll, Calcaterra, and Jackson around instead. I don't think we really know what these guys are capable of. Stoll has played a lot the last 2 seasons but is primarily used for blocking.  Jackson is a project that is returning from a significant injury. Calcaterra can catch, but has a lot to learn. Now is their opportunity. 

On 11/21/2022 at 2:40 PM, Swimm said:

Its not a good excuse for their struggles. This is purely a failure on the coaches. Someone like Andy Reid would have gotten the offense going  without a hitch with all the other talent on the offense.  

Yes I'm not sure we have capable play designers route tree designers to utilize the other available skill position players.  It seems quite limited and Hurts doesn't see the 3rd & 4th wrs.  Something is not right here.

And we can't incorporate the RBs into the passing game.  Not sure they have the knowledge to fix this on the coaching staff.  We've gone half a season without rbs contributing out of the backfield and with the 3rd & 4th wrs basically ignored.  It's Brown and Goddard all the time with a sprinkling of Smith.  That's not how you design an offense for an entire season.  They are going need to hire an offensive mind to consult on the passing game.

On 11/21/2022 at 11:34 AM, kiwinavega said:

I agree, but when you have a top three TE as your main guy who can both catch and block, it's going to leave a big hole. Calc and Stoll both gave up big penalties yesterday, weren't efective in either pass or run. We've been a bit spoiled with our continuity at the position - I can't think of a team that has had a better situation for, what, 15 years? Celek to Ertz to Philly G. That's a hell of a lineage to follow

And Chad Lewis before them. And L.J Sm- wait… never mind. 

8 hours ago, weko said:

And we can't incorporate the RBs into the passing game.  Not sure they have the knowledge to fix this on the coaching staff.  We've gone half a season without rbs contributing out of the backfield and with the 3rd & 4th wrs basically ignored.  It's Brown and Goddard all the time with a sprinkling of Smith.  That's not how you design an offense for an entire season.  They are going need to hire an offensive mind to consult on the passing game.

Just to be clear on a "sprinkling of Smith", Smith is second in targets and has the most receptions on the team this year, despite appearances Watkins and Pascal's yardages are pretty much bog standard NFL #3,#4 Receiver numbers.  The one area that is undeniably light is the tailback receiving yards but to me that's because we are so stacked at receiver and we suck at disguising screens so most get blown up behind the line.

Plus I don't rate Stoll as a blocker either, even when Goedert was available, he looked barely adequate, now he's first up as replacement he looks worse.

I still think people are overreacting because of 1 game. A lot can change in the next few games. 

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

 Cant tell if serious....

In 10 games our 3 RBs have 24 receptions for 99 yards.  That's 9.9 receiving yards PER GAME for the entire RB position.

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

 Cant tell if serious....

In 10 games our 3rd & 4th WRs have 25 combined catches for 347 yards.  So that's only 2 1/2 catches and 34 1/2 yards per game for 2 WRs, or 1 1/4 catches per game for 17 yards for each.  This is without a 2nd TE receiving threat and without the RBs catching many balls.  They are targeting only 3 players game after game.  That is not a recipe for success in the playoffs where teams can shut down 1 or 2 guys and make others beat you.

I would like to see, as an adjustment, more focus on the running game. Get the big men up front moving, building up a head of steam, do something to make up for the deficiency at TE. If you want to do something really creative, bring in Jurgens at center for a series and move Kelce to TE for a drive. Then, with Kelce eligible, defenses have to adjust on the fly. Not suggesting we do it too much, but certainly throws up some questions

Adjusting is hard on a younger staff when they haven't had to do a lot of it prior.

DG may not be the best, but as they say: it don't take long to call roll.

No other player on the roster can do all that he does.

RB's are an afterthought to this administration.

They need to find other ways to throw it - because that is management's emphasis.

Maybe worry less about Sanders - who they clearly do not trust - and play design more for Scott, (Sermon -who can catch), Paschal & Watkins until 88 returns.

On 11/21/2022 at 2:18 PM, pallidrone said:

It was always going to be hard to replace a stud like Goedert...

Kind of got spoiled having Ertz with Goedert as the backup.

5 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

ok?

So your thought process is to pass it less to AJ Brown( a top 7 Wr in the leage) D. Smith( a top 20 WR in the league) and Dallas Goedert (a top 3 tight end in the league) so the RB's can get better numbers?

Can you imagine telling Bryce Harper to stop swinging and hitting homeruns so that Edmundo Sosa has a chance at RBI's. 

Hey Joel Embied, You're getting too many rebounds, please stop so other guys can get a chance

Everybody knows the game plan runs through AJ and Smith, including opposing defensive coordinators. Now that Goedert is out, there is no TE to draw coverage so defenses can play our top WRs much more aggressively.  Unless the Eagles figure out a way to get the RB group more involved I don't see how the offense gets back on track.  

On 11/22/2022 at 7:53 AM, toolg said:

The Eagles were lucky there were world class DT available and ready to play. I don't know if they will be so lucky finding a Free Agent TE like that.

Coaches need to find out what Stoll and Calcaterra can contribute and scheme around that. Can they run block? Can they catch? They can't pretend they're going to replace all the things Goedert can do.

They already know those things from practice. Siri said they did well in run blocking but didn't get enough targets in the game.

You can't expect much from backups.

On 11/23/2022 at 3:23 PM, weko said:

In 10 games our 3rd & 4th WRs have 25 combined catches for 347 yards.  So that's only 2 1/2 catches and 34 1/2 yards per game for 2 WRs, or 1 1/4 catches per game for 17 yards for each.  This is without a 2nd TE receiving threat and without the RBs catching many balls.  They are targeting only 3 players game after game.  That is not a recipe for success in the playoffs where teams can shut down 1 or 2 guys and make others beat you.

Go and have a look at other teams 3rd and 4th WR numbers and see how they compare, our numbers are not unusual in this, at all, you're inventing an issue.

So is RB, Sanders is not anywhere near the top of RBs in the league, he is pretty much a zero as a pass catcher

2 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

So is RB, Sanders is not anywhere near the top of RBs in the league, he is pretty much a zero as a pass catcher

Sanders is absolutely one of the better RBs in the league. No ok he's not at the level of say Henry but he's having a very good year. And he'd be having an even better year if they didn't keep going away from the run the last few weeks. 

On 11/23/2022 at 9:15 AM, weko said:

In 10 games our 3 RBs have 24 receptions for 99 yards.  That's 9.9 receiving yards PER GAME for the entire RB position.

 

On 11/23/2022 at 9:23 AM, weko said:

In 10 games our 3rd & 4th WRs have 25 combined catches for 347 yards.  So that's only 2 1/2 catches and 34 1/2 yards per game for 2 WRs, or 1 1/4 catches per game for 17 yards for each.  This is without a 2nd TE receiving threat and without the RBs catching many balls.  They are targeting only 3 players game after game.  That is not a recipe for success in the playoffs where teams can shut down 1 or 2 guys and make others beat you.

Every team has their top several targets who get the most receptions.  The backup receivers and RB as receiver options are limited for a reason. There are some offenses that spread the ball around a bit more, usually when there isn't a star receiver or the QB is that talented.  But mainly, teams have 2-3 guys with all the receptions and the others get few.

The top targets are going to be Brown, Smith and Goedert.  Anyone else is lucky to get a catch here and there.  Look at the Chiefs offense, who gets all the receptions:  Travis Kelce and their best 2 WRs.  Everyone else averages about 1 catch a game.  Same with the Cowboys, the Bills, etc.

If anyone with a star TE lost them to injury they would see similar numbers.  The backup TEs are backups for a reason, they're not going to take over and replace that production.  Teams have to find ways to continue the offense but alter the plan.  So you get a couple throws to the backup TEs, you go for your star WRs more, you see more Watskins and Pascal.  

On 11/23/2022 at 11:58 AM, kiwinavega said:

I would like to see, as an adjustment, more focus on the running game. Get the big men up front moving, building up a head of steam, do something to make up for the deficiency at TE. If you want to do something really creative, bring in Jurgens at center for a series and move Kelce to TE for a drive. Then, with Kelce eligible, defenses have to adjust on the fly. Not suggesting we do it too much, but certainly throws up some questions

If you want to do something really creative, bring in Jurgens at center for a series and move Kelce to TE for a drive. Then, with Kelce eligible, defenses have to adjust on the fly. Not suggesting we do it too much, but certainly throws up some questions

Put Cam Jurgens in.    He could be TE, FB.  And you could switch him with any OL, like Kelce, or anyone else. 

Put Cam Jurgens in.    He could be TE, FB.  And you could switch him with any OL, like Kelce, or anyone else. 

 

TYREE JACKSON
Versatile Potent Weapon
Not a proven competent TE yet

The Eagles should be ok through the season,  playoffs seem close to secure.
When will Goedert be back? 

Perhaps this is a good time to have Jackson get good at TE.

6'7 and 249 and 4.59
That 6'7 is rare and most TEs 6'7 or greater are slower. 
With his size and speed and 34.5 vert, he should win downfield contested catches. 

And he has a huge arm,  threw 55-60 yards a lot in college.   4.59 40 is the same as Hurts, and he ran pretty often in college and had a lot of huge runs.  He's not really being asked to run or throw, but those are the 2 things we know he does really well. 

Tyree could be Big Slot, he could go in motion through the backfield before the snap,  could just run a route, or block, could take a handoff,  could then run or throw. 
 

13 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

TYREE JACKSON
Versatile Potent Weapon
Not a proven competent TE yet

The Eagles should be ok through the season,  playoffs seem close to secure.
When will Goedert be back? 

Perhaps this is a good time to have Jackson get good at TE.

6'7 and 249 and 4.59
That 6'7 is rare and most TEs 6'7 or greater are slower. 
With his size and speed and 34.5 vert, he should win downfield contested catches. 

And he has a huge arm,  threw 55-60 yards a lot in college.   4.59 40 is the same as Hurts, and he ran pretty often in college and had a lot of huge runs.  He's not really being asked to run or throw, but those are the 2 things we know he does really well. 

Tyree could be Big Slot, he could go in motion through the backfield before the snap,  could just run a route, or block, could take a handoff,  could then run or throw. 
 

All that sounds great but I’ll settle for him staying on the field for the rest of the season to start.

They need to be more creative here with the game plan here with Goedert out. Game plan was lacking last week. Need to use running backs more in the screen game and more Tyree Jackson. Calcaterra is basically playing in a redshirt season here in my mind by getting a few snaps here and there. I'd develop Jackson right now and see what you got, as he's more well rounded. But they are gonna ease him in with no preseason and coming off an ACL. Stoll should just keep being who he is and play the supplementary TE position and role in the offense. Not trying to expand his game much. I want way more snaps this game for Jackson especially in the red zone. I'd deactivate GC this week since GB is weaker vs. the run. Give Jurgens some snaps at TE as well, in obvious run situations. Bring up Devon Allen for PR snaps and see what you have there with GC deactivated. Covey feels like such a wasted roster spot right now. Waive him and put him on practice squad. No one will claim him. I'd sign a vet RB to replace him on the roster. 

yeah the team has issues on both sides of the ball , TE production or lack of it since dallas has left and slot corner since maddox has missed on defense that the last 2 offense's attacked. 

another issue turnovers on offense. hopefully the coaching staff can get it held together till we get fully healthy.