Carson done in Washington

[EricAllenPick6]

On 3/18/2023 at 4:21 PM, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Has there been any interest from anyone yet (that's been reported)?

Vegas says the Chiefs will end up signing him to be Mahomes backup.  

Carson probably won't get any real sniffs until after the draft at the earliest. 

28 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Long and Jenkins believe the contrast in personality between Wentz and Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles stunted his growth.

"It's not his fault that Nick Foles is just this guy with crazy magnetism. He's not the greatest quarterback of all time, but he did do those things where he was like a really social dude," Long said.

Makes a lot of sense and I respect Chris Long's opinion quite a bit.  

[Cochis_Calhoun]

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

You should have underlined where I said it is pure conjecture.

Commanders star Jonathan Allen flamed the rumors that Carson Wentz is a poor leader and teammate.

"Yeah, I have absolutely no idea where that comes from. Sometimes I feel like the NFL can be like a high school,” Allen told Audacy’s 106.7 The Fan on Tuesday. “[It’s] Like a high school. There’s so much drama and just rumors and things that just quite frankly aren’t true. I mean, I have no idea where that could be coming from.”

"After he throws those two interceptions, quick memory, positive on the sideline, no pouting. I mean, I think you can just look at the guys around him and see how they respond to him and that tells you everything you need to know about his character.”

"We played with some locker room cancers. The guy is a good dude, he's got things to work on," Long said of Wentz.

"Like you said, he's not a locker room cancer. We played with him and that's not it," Jenkins said.

So what went wrong?

"When he first got to Philly, he didn't have to be a leader, right. We allowed him to just stay in your corner and worry about being a rookie quarterback. That really allowed Carson to just grow of in a pot, per se," Jenkins said.

"If anything, he's a little shy. You'd like to see him reach out more to the other corner of the locker room and that sort of thing," Long said.

Long and Jenkins believe the contrast in personality between Wentz and Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles stunted his growth.

"It's not his fault that Nick Foles is just this guy with crazy magnetism. He's not the greatest quarterback of all time, but he did do those things where he was like a really social dude," Long said.

And the lack of communication extended outside the locker room.

"When you don't handle something and something bubbles and spills over, then you give them the right to write your story without your narrative in it and I think that's really – we've missed Carson's voice in this whole discussion," Jenkins said.

And as for reports that Wentz was resistant to coaching: "He's not the only quarterback who is stubborn, but this has existed as this extreme conversation when he's got things to fix, but I don't ever remember thinking, 'What an [expletive],'" Long said.

"No, never," Jenkins said.

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"He was a great friend and a great teammate while he was in Philadelphia. It’s a bit of a quandary. I want Carson to play well, and I want him to do well, but I certainly don’t want him to play well on Sunday, and I want him to lose.” --- Jason Kelce

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Still, Wentz has taken command of the offense. And one of his teammates told reporters this week that people probably don’t know just how competitive Wentz is.

"No matter what it is, he wants to be the best,” linebacker Darius Leonard said on Thursday. "It’s a small thing that he does. You see it in Hard Knocks when JT [Taylor] runs a little swing route, he tells JT, ‘Run it like this.’ It’s just the small things that he wants to be great at and I just feel like in the offseason, that’s where it started at, him being a leader. Whenever we couldn’t meet together, he’s got the guys on the outside throwing balls and everything, trying to be the best version of themselves.

"It’s just like, when your back’s against the wall and nobody believes in you, you want to be the best guy on the field to shut the critics up and I think that’s what he’s trying to do and I think that he’s doing a good job at it.”

 

By my reckoning Wentz has had give or take 200 teammates and you've found quotes from 5, 3 of whom were still sharing a building with him and on the record when they were quoted, Long and Jenkins who give him the ringing endorsement 'he wasn't very sociable but he wasn't a complete dick' and Kelce, who I struggle to recall bad mouthing anyone apart from Greg Hardy.

Clearly his release from the Colts and Commanders were solely football decisions.

[brkmsn]

24 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

By my reckoning Wentz has had give or take 200 teammates and you've found quotes from 5, 3 of whom were still sharing a building with him and on the record when they were quoted, Long and Jenkins who give him the ringing endorsement 'he wasn't very sociable but he wasn't a complete dick' and Kelce, who I struggle to recall bad mouthing anyone apart from Greg Hardy.

Clearly his release from the Colts and Commanders were solely football decisions.

Can you find me one named quote that backs up your belief? He has hundreds of ex-teammates including dozens that are out of the NFL now. Surely if what you say is true, there should be one guy on the record saying as much. 

 

[Vee]

8 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

C'mon man,  his numbers in Indy were not great yardage wise but his passer rating was 90+ and he had 27 TD's to 7 picks, but Jim Irsay wanted no more to do with him and said trading for him was 'a mistake', what do you think that was because of?

The Commanders don't want him in the building and so far look to be going with Sam Howell with Jacoby Brissett 'competing', I assume we both agree that Brissett is, all things being equal, an inferior QB talent in comparison with Wentz, so why is that?

Even now to me his potential performance ceiling is way in excess of guys like Mayfield and arguably Garopollo but no one is even hinting about offering a chance to compete for a starting job, hell he's not even being talked about as back up and based on his numbers alone that doesn't make a lick of sense given people like Darnold, Mariota and Case Keenum are all signed for next season.

There's literally no way there are so many widespread rumors that a guy is an entitled dick who refuses to take responsibility if there wasn't at least a grain of truth in it, he'd have ex teammates jumping to his defense all over the place.

This post explains it best.

I'm going to rest my case.