July 28, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: You see that’s the thing. No one comes out and says it’s ok. People just down play it and act like it’s not a problem. It's absolutely a problem. It's why people are specifically saying arrest the criminals. I don't believe anyone here, even the craziest left-wing progressive, would object to cops arresting someone who just tossed a nail bomb at a federal building. What people do object to is the cops coming in fueled by rhetoric from people like the moron-in-chief ready to shoot first and ask questions later. In Portland for example you have a couple blocks of largely firm but non-violent protesters like the Wall of Moms who are out there petitioning the government for redress of grievances. And the state actors - local, state, and federal - are responding with violence. Are there people infiltrating these protests who are trying to incite violence for nefarious ends. YES. Does that justify unmarked federal border patrol agents all torqued up coming in and grabbing random people and stuffing them in unmarked minivans? NO. NO NO NO. Portland was starting to settle down even. Yes there were 40+ days of protest, at which point things were starting to wind down a bit. Protesters numbered in the 100s not 1,000s. But the president couldn't have that, so he sends in camo wearing federal agents with instructions to "light em up" pretty much. Now the numbers are going back up - who's to blame there? But again, nobody here is standing up for people who throw bricks and are there to agitate. I'm not personally of the opinion that violence helps matters in these cases, and I think most are in alignment with my view (though I could be biased ) because protests aren't usually about making the point to City Hall or the workers at the federal buildings. It's about winning over the voters, because that's how social change really happens. steps off soapbox.
July 28, 20205 yr Author 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's absolutely a problem. It's why people are specifically saying arrest the criminals. I don't believe anyone here, even the craziest left-wing progressive, would object to cops arresting someone who just tossed a nail bomb at a federal building. What people do object to is the cops coming in fueled by rhetoric from people like the moron-in-chief ready to shoot first and ask questions later. In Portland for example you have a couple blocks of largely firm but non-violent protesters like the Wall of Moms who are out there petitioning the government for redress of grievances. And the state actors - local, state, and federal - are responding with violence. Are there people infiltrating these protests who are trying to incite violence for nefarious ends. YES. Does that justify unmarked federal border patrol agents all torqued up coming in and grabbing random people and stuffing them in unmarked minivans? NO. NO NO NO. Portland was starting to settle down even. Yes there were 40+ days of protest, at which point things were starting to wind down a bit. Protesters numbered in the 100s not 1,000s. But the president couldn't have that, so he sends in camo wearing federal agents with instructions to "light em up" pretty much. Now the numbers are going back up - who's to blame there? But again, nobody here is standing up for people who throw bricks and are there to agitate. I'm not personally of the opinion that violence helps matters in these cases, and I think most are in alignment with my view (though I could be biased ) because protests aren't usually about making the point to City Hall or the workers at the federal buildings. It's about winning over the voters, because that's how social change really happens. steps off soapbox. see I blame the people committing crimes. The response from the cops may be excessive but when normal cops tried to maintain order they were overwhelmed and in come cases told to stand down. Trumps idea to send in border patrol in minivans is moronic but the mayors response is just as moronic. We can’t stand aside and let children throw temper tantrums and destroy sheet without even a chance to stop them.
July 28, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: still looking for all the posters here defending Antifa and violence on the part of protesters (or those opportunists who are using the protests as cover for their anarchist nonsense) Still looking for more memes twisting what the 1st amendment is really about
July 28, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said: see I blame the people committing crimes. The response from the cops may be excessive but when normal cops tried to maintain order they were overwhelmed and in come cases told to stand down. Trumps idea to send in border patrol in minivans is moronic but the mayors response is just as moronic. We can’t stand aside and let children throw temper tantrums and destroy sheet without even a chance to stop them. I hear you. It gets complicated in some of these cases. And there are different approaches that different police forces take to combat rioting. Some are aggressive, which can lead to escalation of violence. Some try to contain and de-escalate, which may lead to increased property damage if they don't manage to de-escalate and burn themselves out. Either way you'll have people second guessing the departments for being either too aggressive or not aggressive enough. Everybody thinks their approach is the right one in all situations, the loudest lately seeming to be the "law and order" types who think aggressive force is the only response that ever works and that anything else is "coddling". One thing to keep in mind about Portland is that, I believe, the mayor is really not very powerful. The mayor can't just say "do x" and it's done; there is a commission that the mayor works with, and I believe their buy-in is necessary. I'm not going to sit here and say I know for sure what Portland should and should not be doing to contain or manage the protests, but I do think that the images we're seeing of the violence is coming from both sides especially now that the feds have gotten involved.
July 28, 20205 yr Author 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I hear you. It gets complicated in some of these cases. And there are different approaches that different police forces take to combat rioting. Some are aggressive, which can lead to escalation of violence. Some try to contain and de-escalate, which may lead to increased property damage if they don't manage to de-escalate and burn themselves out. Either way you'll have people second guessing the departments for being either too aggressive or not aggressive enough. Everybody thinks their approach is the right one in all situations, the loudest lately seeming to be the "law and order" types who think aggressive force is the only response that ever works and that anything else is "coddling". It’s easy to say just let them burn themselves out when it’s not your home. What we’ve seen constantly is once a mayors house is approached they switch to Law and Order needs to be restored mode. Eventually the police will need to get involved regardless so better to protect the innocent than the scumbags. 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: One thing to keep in mind about Portland is that, I believe, the mayor is really not very powerful. The mayor can't just say "do x" and it's done; there is a commission that the mayor works with, and I believe their buy-in is necessary. I'm not going to sit here and say I know for sure what Portland should and should not be doing to contain or manage the protests, but I do think that the images we're seeing of the violence is coming from both sides especially now that the feds have gotten involved. Yea. Portland’s odd.
July 28, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: It’s easy to say just let them burn themselves out when it’s not your home. What we’ve seen constantly is once a mayors house is approached they switch to Law and Order needs to be restored mode. Eventually the police will need to get involved regardless so better to protect the innocent than the scumbags. Yea. Portland’s odd. It's been on fire both the start and end of Trumps 1st term.
July 28, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, greend said: Biden just said that he's going to instill broadband internet, and tackle the crimate clisis. I know, but Trump......
July 28, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, matchew88 said: Actually the protesters violated the 1st amendment. *peaceably assemble https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/opinion/portland-protests-judge-andrew-napolitano.amp
July 28, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, matchew88 said: Still looking for more memes twisting what the 1st amendment is really about The first amendment is not the biggest issue here. It’s the federal agents patrolling the streets and snatching people up that’s an issue.
July 28, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, greend said: That’s messed up. Why you gotta demean banjo kid by comparing him to sleepy creepy joe?
July 28, 20205 yr 28 minutes ago, The_Omega said: So we’re really calling arrests ‘’snatching’’ now? They keep throwing out these new catchy words and phrases to make things seem different than what they really are. It’s really lame but it works pretty well on the libtards
July 29, 20205 yr I call this photo, "Trumpbots who are more self aware than any of the CVON Trumpbots”
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