18 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

Policy definitely affects gas prices. 

China's covid lockdown policy is affecting demand. 

Biden's policies have affected production, thus affecting supply and investment in domestic production 

 

NO. Ef'ing learn something.

90% of oil production in the US in on private land. Federal permits are a very small piece of the pie, especially in the short term.

Oil production under Obama nearly doubled during his time in office. Go ahead and point to all the oil friendly policies he put in place.

Oil production is affected by a broad range of factors, very few of which the president influences especially in the short term. It's not fair to say it's wholly independent of the policies coming out of the White House, but most of what factors in to production IS independent.

The only reason you and other Trump adjacent posters push this line of reasoning is because it paints a pretty narrative. A narrative that is not bolstered by the facts.

This doesn't even get into refinery capacity. But I've already written more than you'll care to internalize so I'm going back to my lunchtime beer. 

8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

NO. Ef'ing learn something.

90% of oil production in the US in on private land. Federal permits are a very small piece of the pie, especially in the short term.

Oil production under Obama nearly doubled during his time in office. Go ahead and point to all the oil friendly policies he put in place.

Oil production is affected by a broad range of factors, very few of which the president influences especially in the short term. It's not fair to say it's wholly independent of the policies coming out of the White House, but most of what factors in to production IS independent.

The only reason you and other Trump adjacent posters push this line of reasoning is because it paints a pretty narrative. A narrative that is not bolstered by the facts.

This doesn't even get into refinery capacity. But I've already written more than you'll care to internalize so I'm going back to my lunchtime beer. 

I'm doing Titos and a splash of sprite. Very refreshing, not a drink I normally do. Oh, and it's hot as F out, pool is like 90 degrees already.

14 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

NO. Ef'ing learn something.

90% of oil production in the US in on private land. Federal permits are a very small piece of the pie, especially in the short term.

Oil production under Obama nearly doubled during his time in office. Go ahead and point to all the oil friendly policies he put in place.

Oil production is affected by a broad range of factors, very few of which the president influences especially in the short term. It's not fair to say it's wholly independent of the policies coming out of the White House, but most of what factors in to production IS independent.

The only reason you and other Trump adjacent posters push this line of reasoning is because it paints a pretty narrative. A narrative that is not bolstered by the facts.

This doesn't even get into refinery capacity. But I've already written more than you'll care to internalize so I'm going back to my lunchtime beer. 

3 of my biggest customers are oil pipeline companies and refineries.   I talk to them weekly 

I'll take their info. 

Investment in capacity is down because of policy. EPA regs, canceled drilling permits, canceled pipelines and the the overall rhetoric is scaring away investment into domestic production. 

 

6 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I'm doing Titos and a splash of sprite. Very refreshing, not a drink I normally do. Oh, and it's hot as F out, pool is like 90 degrees already.

I'll head out to the pool later this afternoon I figure. After 3-4 there is solid shade on the side of the pool with lounge chairs so even though it's still mad hot it's manageably enjoyable. 

We're redecorating the boys' rooms. Shifting them around a bit now that they're older, and the wife has a bunch of decals they picked out to put up after the paint dries. So that's filling my time until then.

Goal is to have a good buzz that I can maintain between some light beers and a vape by the time I hit pool o'clock.

I don't know how my parents did this parenting thing without 8% beers.

2 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

3 of my biggest customers are oil pipeline companies and refineries.   I talk to them weekly 

I'll take their info. 

Investment in capacity is down because of policy. EPA regs, canceled drilling permits, canceled pipelines and the the overall rhetoric is scaring away investment into domestic production. 

 

How many new refineries were even started under Trump? 

And to be clear about where I stand on energy policy ..

We should be building at least a dozen nuclear power plants west of the Mississippi, with high capacity refineries next to at least a third of them. There is plenty of area in this nation to build these plants while minimizing impact to population centers. 

I believe climate change is a problem, but it's not one we can just reverse course on fossil fuels over. But if we're serious about it, nuclear is a much better bridge than any other option. Though it's one oil companies don't like.....

Both parties are stupid in different ways on this. The left is too opposed to nuclear and entirely unreasonable about how quickly we can shift from fossil to greener energy. The right is simply stupid in its fixation on opposing anything the left does, to the point where they seem to WANT to burn fossil fuels in excess just to "own the libs". Neither are sane or practical stances.

All this aside, the barriers to new refineries and increased oil production are FAR more complex than "Trump good Biden bad". Because a president isn't a king. And state and local regulations are a huge barrier to the solutions we need - nuclear plants and refineries.

Nobody wants to live in Billings MT because the refineries make the whole town smell like diesel. The Philadelphia refinery wasn't profitable after blowing up because nobody wanted it in a populated area (even if it was just "the poors"). Those are bigger barriers. So we just sell our oil to countries who give less of a crap about their citizens and refine oil next to where the poors raise their kids. 

I don't feel good about that. But that's the reality. And Trump/Biden is a very small sliver of that. 

So I'll go with the guy who actually respects and honors western liberalism. Not the one who would wipe his ass with constitution if he could become a Putin like figure here.

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

And to be clear about where I stand on energy policy ..

We should be building at least a dozen nuclear power plants west of the Mississippi, with high capacity refineries next to at least a third of them. There is plenty of area in this nation to build these plants while minimizing impact to population centers. 

I believe climate change is a problem, but it's not one we can just reverse course on fossil fuels over. But if we're serious about it, nuclear is a much better bridge than any other option. Though it's one oil companies don't like.....

Both parties are stupid in different ways on this. The left is too opposed to nuclear and entirely unreasonable about how quickly we can shift from fossil to greener energy. The right is simply stupid in its fixation on opposing anything the left does, to the point where they seem to WANT to burn fossil fuels in excess just to "own the libs". Neither are sane or practical stances.

All this aside, the barriers to new refineries and increased oil production are FAR more complex than "Trump good Biden bad". Because a president isn't a king. And state and local regulations are a huge barrier to the solutions we need - nuclear plants and refineries.

Nobody wants to live in Billings MT because the refineries make the whole town smell like diesel. The Philadelphia refinery wasn't profitable after blowing up because nobody wanted it in a populated area (even if it was just "the poors"). Those are bigger barriers. So we just sell our oil to countries who give less of a crap about their citizens and refine oil next to where the poors raise their kids. 

I don't feel good about that. But that's the reality. And Trump/Biden is a very small sliver of that. 

So I'll go with the guy who actually respects and honors western liberalism. Not the one who would wipe his ass with constitution if he could become a Putin like figure here.

When did I ever say anything about Trump? 

I didn't even vote for him in 2016 and left the Republican Party over it after the PA primary after I voted for Rand Paul. 

I voted for him in 2020 because Joe Biden represents everything I hate about career politicians and the fact that he's either authored, Co sponsored or voted for nearly every piece of catastrophic legislation in the past 50 years. 

His energy policy (or lack thereof) is an absolute disaster 

3 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

When did I ever say anything about Trump? 

I didn't even vote for him in 2016 and left the Republican Party over it after the PA primary after I voted for Rand Paul. 

I voted for him in 2020 because Joe Biden represents everything I hate about career politicians and the fact that he's either authored, Co sponsored or voted for nearly every piece of catastrophic legislation in the past 50 years. 

His energy policy (or lack thereof) is an absolute disaster 

Because you claimed policy change has caused the issues. My claim is that policy impacts it far less than market forces, by an order of magnitude give or take.

The choice in 2020 was Trump or Biden. So whether you like it or not every criticism of Biden invites a comparison of the alternative.

I'm happy to discuss Biden's policies against whoever his opponent in 2024 is, assuming Biden ends up running. I for one hope someone else runs on both sides, but I can only speculate on likely options and Biden is most likely for Dems and Trump, despite a litany of actions that ought to be disqualifying, looks like the favorite on the right. So them's the choices.

 

3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I'll head out to the pool later this afternoon I figure. After 3-4 there is solid shade on the side of the pool with lounge chairs so even though it's still mad hot it's manageably enjoyable. 

We're redecorating the boys' rooms. Shifting them around a bit now that they're older, and the wife has a bunch of decals they picked out to put up after the paint dries. So that's filling my time until then.

Goal is to have a good buzz that I can maintain between some light beers and a vape by the time I hit pool o'clock.

I don't know how my parents did this parenting thing without 8% beers.

How many new refineries were even started under Trump? 

Ate. Buzzed. Slightly high. Great day. 

 

The heat influenced my menu.  I went very light and nailed it. Did lemon pepper wings, teriyaki beef skewers and veggie kabobs.

12 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Ate. Buzzed. Slightly high. Great day. 

 

The heat influenced my menu.  I went very light and nailed it. Did lemon pepper wings, teriyaki beef skewers and veggie kabobs.

We're going easy today. I cooked every day this week, and the wife wants Brooklyn a la vodka pizza from the local pizzeria. 

She's also sporting a fetching bikini so I'm inclined to roll with it.

Getting close to lighting up the bong.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Because you claimed policy change has caused the issues. My claim is that policy impacts it far less than market forces, by an order of magnitude give or take.

The choice in 2020 was Trump or Biden. So whether you like it or not every criticism of Biden invites a comparison of the alternative.

I'm happy to discuss Biden's policies against whoever his opponent in 2024 is, assuming Biden ends up running. I for one hope someone else runs on both sides, but I can only speculate on likely options and Biden is most likely for Dems and Trump, despite a litany of actions that ought to be disqualifying, looks like the favorite on the right. So them's the choices.

 

No I didn't.  

I said policy affects oil prices. 

I said China's lockdown policy is affecting global demand. 

 

5 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

The only reason you and other Trump adjacent posters push this line of reasoning is because it paints a pretty narrative. A narrative that is not bolstered by the facts.

 

4 hours ago, greenskeeper said:

 

How dare you! 

🤣🤣🤣

 

 

14 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

NO. Ef'ing learn something.

90% of oil production in the US in on private land. Federal permits are a very small piece of the pie, especially in the short term.

Oil production under Obama nearly doubled during his time in office. Go ahead and point to all the oil friendly policies he put in place.

Oil production is affected by a broad range of factors, very few of which the president influences especially in the short term. It's not fair to say it's wholly independent of the policies coming out of the White House, but most of what factors in to production IS independent.

The only reason you and other Trump adjacent posters push this line of reasoning is because it paints a pretty narrative. A narrative that is not bolstered by the facts.

This doesn't even get into refinery capacity. But I've already written more than you'll care to internalize so I'm going back to my lunchtime beer. 

White House policies aren’t as important as liberal/leftist ideology. The democratic president is just one component of that, but yeah — the left is basically 100% to blame for why gas prices are where they are.

They do everything they can to prevent investment in development, the litigate everything they can, they prevent new refineries from being built, and on and on.

The leftist agenda is the problem here.

10 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

She's also sporting a fetching bikini

Pics!!!!

Is that the Simpson’s take on Maury?