He has to use the 10 pick, if the QB market does go 4 in the top ten there'll be an arguably 'best prospect in the draft' still going at 10 and you have to take that.

It would take a #6 to Miami 2021 trade for me to trade out of 10, involving a swap this year and a 1st next year.

7 minutes ago, John Blutarski said:

I'd rather they just don't overthink it, take best CB available at 10 and if they want to trade down from 30 a bit fine.

^^^^

This.  Hopefully we aren't selecting in the top 10 again for a while (unless it is due to Howie wheeling and dealing landing another team's 1st that lands that high) - so grab a stud with the high pick while we can.  Pick 30 may be attractive to a team wanting a guy on which they can use the 5th year option so we may get more in return than usually expected.  Plus we'll likely have 12 picks at our disposal next year.  

21 minutes ago, time2rock said:

^^^^

This.  Hopefully we aren't selecting in the top 10 again for a while (unless it is due to Howie wheeling and dealing landing another team's 1st that lands that high) - so grab a stud with the high pick while we can.  Pick 30 may be attractive to a team wanting a guy on which they can use the 5th year option so we may get more in return than usually expected.  Plus we'll likely have 12 picks at our disposal next year.  

Excellent point.  Ideally, you aren't picking top 10 because that means you have a losing season.  Their own pick is obviously #30, the only reason they're picking at #10 is this is the Saints pick.

It's the best opportunity to get a top prospect.  It just so happens this year that there are 2 or 3 corners where it's their top position of need.  Makes the case to stay at 10 and solidify the CB position.  I would be ok with trading back a couple spots and get an additional pick in this draft but not out of the top 15.  

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

I don't mind trading back a few spots to pick up an additional mid round pick or something.  But yeah looking at his picks in the back half of round 1 is cringe.

Yup, I could see him trade down to say 11-15 if the board doesn't or does fall right but if at 10 a guy they like is there pull the trigger 

I really like Gonzalez if he's there at 10 pull the trigger, Carter I don't know how Howie feels about him but without the off-season incident if he fell to 10 he'd be the steal of the century.

We'll see what happens should be exciting.

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Yes it is.

Especially Howie's track record after the top 15 is horrible. 

And yet the record with second round picks is surprisingly good.  Zach Ertz, Dallas Goeddert, Jalen Hurts, Miles Sanders, Landon Dickerson - and Cam Jurgens looks to be no slouch.  Even Jordan Matthews had good production with the Eagles.  The only swing and miss I can think of is Sidney Jones.

15 minutes ago, Procus said:

And yet the record with second round picks is surprisingly good.  Zach Ertz, Dallas Goeddert, Jalen Hurts, Miles Sanders, Landon Dickerson - and Cam Jurgens looks to be no slouch.  Even Jordan Matthews had good production with the Eagles.  The only swing and miss I can think of is Sidney Jones.

Yeah those are good hits as well.  It's like his sweet spots are top half of first round and 2nd round but not the back half of first round.  Then 3rd round is generally terrible.  Then they find some nice gems in the mid to late rounds especially linemen.

This is just my opinion/guess, but I think when they have a top 10 pick they go for a "safer bet" prospect rather than reaches.  But when they're picking in the 20s it's not as clear cut and they worry about will there be a run on a position or make a reach.  I'm curious if they stay at 30 or somewhere in the late 1st round if they stick to the board or reach.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Then 3rd round is generally terrible. 

That's incorrect.  The team has hit more often than not in the 3rd round.  Many years, they had no 3rd rounder.  Since 2012 (and I'm throwing in the one Chip Kelly pick):

Good:  Nick Foles, Bennie Logan, Jordan Hicks, Isaac Seumalo, Rasul Douglas, Milton Williams

Not so good:  Josh Huff, Davion Taylor

1 minute ago, Procus said:

That's incorrect.  The team has hit more often than not in the 3rd round.  Many years, they had no 3rd rounder.  Since 2012 (and I'm throwing in the one Chip Kelly pick):

Good:  Nick Foles, Bennie Logan, Jordan Hicks, Isaac Seumalo, Rasul Douglas, Milton Williams

Not so good:  Josh Huff, Davion Taylor

I'll give you Foles, Logan, Hicks and Seumalo.  Douglas didn't do much and was cut, Williams is just a meh backup.  But you're right overall it's not as bad as I thought.  I think a lot of times it's who they passed on in the 3rd round that we wanted.

Hopefully Dean becomes a good starter and gives another 3rd round success.  

I all for what Howie did with the cap to give us the best chance to win a title.  With a better DC we would have won.  Now we are 57 mil over the cap and that's BEFORE we spend 50-55 mil on the qb position.  45-50 for Hurts and if you read up on back up contracts signed today, the going rate is now 5-10 mil for a back up.  That leaves not a lot of money for the rest of the roster.  We have 6 NFL caliber OLmen.  We need 2 more OTs and 2 OGs.  We need a fast slot receiver.  A RB.  On D we need most of a defense.  Cutting Slay with a post June 1 designation opens up 17 mil.  Maybe we can resign one of our DBs. We will probably be left with 2 DTs.  The kid from USC can't play and the kid on the PS that showed some promise was available to every team in the league all year and no one signed him.  Graham will be 35 and may have a year left and may not have much left.  It goes fast at the end.  We need a top DE and another for depth.  We need 3 DTs. May lose both our safeties and both corners.  We may need an entire defensive backfield.  Howie will sign some older guys as a stop gap on 1 year deals.  But we need an infusion of young cheap talent and 4 picks and two 7s isn't going to come close to filling our needs.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

I'll give you Foles, Logan, Hicks and Seumalo.  Douglas didn't do much and was cut, Williams is just a meh backup.  But you're right overall it's not as bad as I thought.  I think a lot of times it's who they passed on in the 3rd round that we wanted.

Hopefully Dean becomes a good starter and gives another 3rd round success.  

Dude - if you draft a starter in the 3rd round you did good.  Douglas has been in the league for several years now and has been a starter for most of that time.  Douglas was cut primarily because he wasn't a scheme fit in Schwartz' defense.  Williams is on the verge of being a starter with the departure of Hargrave.  He's highly regarded. 

 

1 minute ago, Procus said:

Dude - if you draft a starter in the 3rd round you did good.  Douglas has been in the league for several years now and has been a starter for most of that time.  Williams is on the verge of being a starter with the departure of Hargrave.  He's highly regarded. 

 

Huge 3rd year coming up for Williams.  He has a golden opportunity to solidify a starting spot (or the very least a much higher % of snaps in the rotation).  He dealt with various injuries the first half of the past season but then was coming on pretty strong during the 2nd half.  Hopefully he builds on that.  

14 minutes ago, Procus said:

Dude - if you draft a starter in the 3rd round you did good.  Douglas has been in the league for several years now and has been a starter for most of that time.  Douglas was cut primarily because he wasn't a scheme fit in Schwartz' defense.  Williams is on the verge of being a starter with the departure of Hargrave.  He's highly regarded. 

 

I hear you.  Williams I'm not sold on yet.  Also simply becoming a starter alone doesn't mean they're very good, it could be out of necessity.  If they lose Cox as well as Hargrave and don't make any other changes, they may have no choice but to start Williams and Davis.  Remember at times we've had complete losers as starters such as LB, doesn't mean they were really good just because they started.

But I see what you're saying about the 3rd round.

Nah... Howey never limits himself in that way where he has to make 1 move and 1 move only. By the time it's draft time he usually has vets in place that could likely start from trades and FA and such. He'll have all options on the table to select at 10, trade up, or trade down. Too premature to make the definitive statement that he must trade down at 10. He hasn't even gone to work yet.

12 hours ago, weko said:

 We need...1 DE, 2 DTs, 2 CBs, 2 Ss, RB, slot WR, swing OT, back up OG/C for starters.  We need 4-5 more picks in the first 5 rounds.

This is why I don't understand those who think how is just fine at drafting, we should already have viable replacements for those losses on the roster from previous drafts.

Because he fails at drafting he has to resort FA to cover his unproductive draft picks, unfortunately that route isn't conducive to sustained success.

As far as trading down goes, Myles Murphy is the one player that wouldn't pass on at 10 if available......dude is going to be a difference maker.

12 hours ago, weko said:

We need...1 DE, 2 DTs, 2 CBs, 2 Ss, RB, slot WR, swing OT, back up OG/C for starters.  We need 4-5 more picks in the first 5 rounds.

No, we don't.  Your list:

• 1 DE: we have both starters in BG and Sweat.  I would like them to draft a DE for depth/future but at least the starters are there. They were able to sign guys mid season when they had injuries, and they can supplement with that again.  Or make a trade.
• 2 DTs: We don't yet know if Cox will re-sign and they have Jordan Davis and Williams.  So they should draft 1 DT to develop, potentially compete to start.
• 2 CBs: Slay is under contract and we assume Bradberry signs elsewhere.  If they were to trade Slay (and get a draft pick to help update the roster) they might then have money to keep Bradberry.  General consensus is they take a CB at #10.  I do not like their depth at corner and think they should draft/sign more.
• 2 Ss: Blankenship will return and be a starter.  We don't know YET if CJG will leave or re-sign, but if he does they have to replace him.  Draft, sign another free agent, or make another trade. They traded for CJG in August last year for example.
• slot WR: Not a concern.  They will either re-sign Pascal, Watkins is under contract or they can look at another option.  The top receivers on the team are under contract for awhile: Brown, Smith and Goedert.  Anyone else barely gets any receptions.  This is a reach to complain about.
• Swing OT: a depth signing and future development to replace Lane Johnson would be nice.  But they have O line depth and O line is their best draft success.
• Backup OG/C: same as above.  Jurgens is already the backup C.  If he has to start at RG to replace Seumalo, they will acquire depth.

Every year they address positions with a combo of free agents, drafts and trades.  Some players are acquired later.  Bradberry was May, Brown on draft day, CJG in August.  Quinn, Suh and Joseph were during the regular season.

You don't expect to address every position only with draft picks.  However, I do expect Howie to add an additional pick or 2.

6 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

You aren't filling in all the starters this year from draft picks. They will sign players. I'm sure there will be trades in the draft regardless but you don't draft guys expecting immediate day one starters beyond your pick at 10

People are panicking as always because the Eagles aren’t panicking in free agency. I pretty firmly believe that the Eagles will sign a DT, a safety, and a WLB in free agency when the value is right. That pretty much leaves you set at starter (apart from CB2, where I expect them to use a high pick on a player). You can then supplement in the draft.

It’s amazing how many people think you can easily find functional or even rotational starters in rounds 4-6. 

Pick BPA at 10 - get a stud. 
 

they could even trade up if they want the have an extra 2nd next year already plus probably 4 extra comp picks next year.. they eagles are still in great shape to do whatever they want it’s just finding the best option.

13 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

People are panicking as always because the Eagles aren’t panicking in free agency. I pretty firmly believe that the Eagles will sign a DT, a safety, and a WLB in free agency when the value is right. That pretty much leaves you set at starter (apart from CB2, where I expect them to use a high pick on a player). You can then supplement in the draft.

It’s amazing how many people think you can easily find functional or even rotational starters in rounds 4-6. 

Pick BPA at 10 - get a stud. 
 

You're right.  But also, too many fans think about the draft as only about the upcoming season.  The 1st rounder is usually expected to start but even then not always the case.

The draft is supposed to be for developing future and building your roster.  Last year they drafted Davis to replace Cox, Jurgens to replace Kelce and Dean to replace White.  None of them were starters as a rookie. 

So this year they can't just reach to draft day 1 starters on all the defensive positions.  Howie will as usual make at least some cheap 1 year deals to fill holes while they hopefully draft the BPA and stick to their board.  

Rebuilding the defensive roster may take 2 offseasons.  

35 minutes ago, NOTW said:

No, we don't.  Your list:

• 1 DE: we have both starters in BG and Sweat.  I would like them to draft a DE for depth/future but at least the starters are there. They were able to sign guys mid season when they had injuries, and they can supplement with that again.  Or make a trade.
• 2 DTs: We don't yet know if Cox will re-sign and they have Jordan Davis and Williams.  So they should draft 1 DT to develop, potentially compete to start.
• 2 CBs: Slay is under contract and we assume Bradberry signs elsewhere.  If they were to trade Slay (and get a draft pick to help update the roster) they might then have money to keep Bradberry.  General consensus is they take a CB at #10.  I do not like their depth at corner and think they should draft/sign more.
• 2 Ss: Blankenship will return and be a starter.  We don't know YET if CJG will leave or re-sign, but if he does they have to replace him.  Draft, sign another free agent, or make another trade. They traded for CJG in August last year for example.
• slot WR: Not a concern.  They will either re-sign Pascal, Watkins is under contract or they can look at another option.  The top receivers on the team are under contract for awhile: Brown, Smith and Goedert.  Anyone else barely gets any receptions.  This is a reach to complain about.
• Swing OT: a depth signing and future development to replace Lane Johnson would be nice.  But they have O line depth and O line is their best draft success.
• Backup OG/C: same as above.  Jurgens is already the backup C.  If he has to start at RG to replace Seumalo, they will acquire depth.

Every year they address positions with a combo of free agents, drafts and trades.  Some players are acquired later.  Bradberry was May, Brown on draft day, CJG in August.  Quinn, Suh and Joseph were during the regular season.

You don't expect to address every position only with draft picks.  However, I do expect Howie to add an additional pick or 2.

Yes we have 2 DEs and one is 35 years old.  We need 2 more.  Cox is gone.  He could return for the 6 mil Graham is taking but he won't. That will mean all 4 of our rotational DTs will be gone. We need 3 DTs.  No team will trade a draft pick for Slay with that contract.  By us giving him permission to seek a trade we have told the league will will release him when he finds out no one wants his contract with how poorly he played the last 2/3rds of the season.  We are allowing him to seek a trade in hopes he will agree to take a lot less money but doubtful he will.  If not, he will be released not extended.  By cutting him and saving 17 mil we could resign CJG or Bradberry, so that's the possible good news.  If CJG leaves we need to draft 2 safeties, one first 3 rounds, one late.  We need a speed guy in the slot and may dump Watkins for a 7 or maybe him and a 7 for a 6.  a 6 outright would be great.  We have no Oline depth any more.  We have one reserve Driscoll who can play all over.  Opeta can't play, the kid we were grooming at OT got charged so not optimistic he returns.  Dillard gone, Sem soon to follow.  Jurgens will start at RG.  We need 2-3 Olinemen mid round to late to develop.  We don't have any picks to acquire depth at O line or anywhere else.  We need young and cheap anyway.  We have 57 mil in dead money and will spend 55 mil or so on 2 qbs.  So that's 110 mil spent and 51 other guys to pay.  You can't kick the can down the road forever.  Glad we did it and had a great chance for a SB win but now we watch many leave and retool with younger cheap players and for that...we need a bunch more picks

 

4 hours ago, Procus said:

And yet the record with second round picks is surprisingly good.  Zach Ertz, Dallas Goeddert, Jalen Hurts, Miles Sanders, Landon Dickerson - and Cam Jurgens looks to be no slouch.  Even Jordan Matthews had good production with the Eagles.  The only swing and miss I can think of is Sidney Jones.

JJAW says hi!!!!

1 hour ago, NYEagle said:

JJAW says hi!!!!

Sorry, missed that outlier.  Want a medal?

Too bad swallowing wasn’t an option for your mom 

7 hours ago, EagleVA said:

This is why I don't understand those who think how is just fine at drafting,

Let me explain to you.  The simple minded always point out the drafting mistakes - and every team has them.

The Eagles are said to have the best OL in the league.  Is that because of Stout - you bet he's a huge part of that.  But every single starter on the OL - every single one - TE included - is an Eagles draft pick.

The QB - an Eagles draft pick.

Two of the starting WRs - Eagles draft picks

3 of the 4 edge rushers on the team - Eagles draft picks.

Eagles have drafted a LOT of pro bowl players and a lot of starters.  Yes, there have been some misses, and no doubt the simple minded will focus on the Reagor pick over JJ while ignoring everything else.  But by and large, the core of this roster is home grown.

So maybe now you understand a bit better

We have so many position needs. The strength of the draft for not  QB positions, is in mid 1st down to third rounds. 

In FANTASY!!!I would definitely try to trade down from 10 if a trade partner was found, but no one knows how this will fold out in reality.

#10 in fantasy trade, is worth about 3 mid second round picks. If this FANTASY!!! Trade became a reality, I would take mid second round CB, DT, LB over a higher rated CB at 10. 

Why? Because 3 second rounders can not get injured at the same time, and most likely 2 out 3 will be producing if one of them does get injured. Less Risk and more value. And in terms of performance...you never know. Hurts was a second rounder. 

I also would not mind a scenario trading down from 10 to 16 and picking up an extra second rounder. There will plenty of stud CBs at 16, as well as other positions.