45 minutes ago, judunno said:

I'm on the trade up bandwagon if they can.

For who? For what?

1 hour ago, judunno said:

I'm on the trade up bandwagon if they can.

no thanks.we need more picks not less

3 hours ago, rrfierce said:

no thanks.we need more picks not less

You can trade down at 30 for more picks. And trade down again from where you landed after trading 30, And trade again at 62... see where I'm going? Oh and there's 2024 picks (where we're lined up to have a decent amount of comp picks so we can trade some of their established picks if need be) and Quez Watkins to dangle out there. Summary: They can get as many picks as they need in this draft they have enough to make it happen. 

3 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

For who? For what?

 If Anderson or Carter are in range. Trading a 2024 2nd and some filler may get it done. I don't bye the FUD around Carter. Think he still goes before 10.

Just now, judunno said:

 If Anderson or Carter are in range. Trading a 2024 2nd and some filler may get it done. I don't bye the FUD around Carter. Think he still goes before 10.

Anderson maybe. 
 

Not sure anyone is trading up for carter 

2 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

Anderson maybe. 
 

Not sure anyone is trading up for carter 

You bought into the offseason FUD I gather. Well to each their own. I don't believe it... I would hope but highly doubt he makes it to 10.

1 hour ago, judunno said:

You bought into the offseason FUD I gather. Well to each their own. I don't believe it... I would hope but highly doubt he makes it to 10.

I know what I saw. A guy who couldn’t be bothered to get himself fit for his pro day and then struggled to complete the drills. That’s not a good luck for any player given their chance impress nfl teams 

1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

I know what I saw. A guy who couldn’t be bothered to get himself fit for his pro day and then struggled to complete the drills. That’s not a good luck for any player given their chance impress nfl teams 

I know what YOU saw in a few ESPN clips. But what did the scouts see from not only what he did in the off-season but over his collegiate career. We get a little too caught up in the off-season underwear olympics. There was way more leading up to this to draw conclusions. Saying "oh my god he's lazy because pro day" is just a lazy narrative  

With both starting Corners now likely entrenched for at least the next two seasons "and" the signing of CB Greedy Williams ... I think the focus shifts away from CB at 10. I am really starting to like the idea of S Brian Branch if we stay at 10. This kid has everything other than great straight-line clock speed (although 4.58 isn't horrible for a Safety). His instincts, cover ability (can play the slot like Chauncey could), tackling ability and field presence are top notch. Right there with Branch I have DT Calijah Kancey ... I think this kid has that it factor as an interior pass rusher regardless of size. He's also a bull when it comes to getting into the backfield and even though he has shorter arms than what you would like, his hand use is elite; he's a flat-out disrupter in the backfield. The only issue with Kancey is whether or not he will fit the scheme if we go mostly 3-4. We may need to add a 3-4 End type which would point to guys like Tyre Wilson from Texas Tech if he slips, Lukas Van Ness from Iowa (too raw for 10 imo) or Myles Murphy from Clemson. I'm actually not a huge fan of any of those at 10 to be honest ... I'd much prefer a trade down for a 3-4 Classic End type. I guess we would have to have a better understanding of what Sean Desai wants out of his D to make a better guess of what players we have interest in. S Brian Branch keeps making the most sense to me ... putting that kid between guys like Slay, Bradbury and Maddox seems like winning ticket to me regardless of what kind of D Desai will run.

31 minutes ago, Rey said:

With both starting Corners now likely entrenched for at least the next two seasons "and" the signing of CB Greedy Williams ... I think the focus shifts away from CB at 10. I am really starting to like the idea of S Brian Branch if we stay at 10. This kid has everything other than great straight-line clock speed (although 4.58 isn't horrible for a Safety). His instincts, cover ability (can play the slot like Chauncey could), tackling ability and field presence are top notch. Right there with Branch I have DT Calijah Kancey ... I think this kid has that it factor as an interior pass rusher regardless of size. He's also a bull when it comes to getting into the backfield and even though he has shorter arms than what you would like, his hand use is elite; he's a flat-out disrupter in the backfield. The only issue with Kancey is whether or not he will fit the scheme if we go mostly 3-4. We may need to add a 3-4 End type which would point to guys like Tyre Wilson from Texas Tech if he slips, Lukas Van Ness from Iowa (too raw for 10 imo) or Myles Murphy from Clemson. I'm actually not a huge fan of any of those at 10 to be honest ... I'd much prefer a trade down for a 3-4 Classic End type. I guess we would have to have a better understanding of what Sean Desai wants out of his D to make a better guess of what players we have interest in. S Brian Branch keeps making the most sense to me ... putting that kid between guys like Slay, Bradbury and Maddox seems like winning ticket to me regardless of what kind of D Desai will run.

I agree. But the board is unpredictable. A talent from the top 10 may slide to us, or someone could be interested in the QB and offer us a nice package to trade down, or a top CB could be available for depth/nickel package. I do not think that addressing strictly position of need, is the way to go at 10. We could draft a best talent for the future...but the bottom line, there are a lot of options.

15 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

I agree. But the board is unpredictable. A talent from the top 10 may slide to us, or someone could be interested in the QB and offer us a nice package to trade down, or a top CB could be available for depth/nickel package. I do not think that addressing strictly position of need, is the way to go at 10. We could draft a best talent for the future...but the bottom line, there are a lot of options.

Yup... and Howie continues to fill out the roster with potential starters even prior to the draft. This roster will be stacked again and we have some great picks to work with. I'm all for a trade up at 10 considering we'll likely not be that high for possibly the next decade if all goes well :)

I think the Pats would be a good trade back option if they are open to trading Pick 14 for Pick 10. They have multiple picks in Rds 4 and 6. We currently don't hold any picks in Rds 4, 5 and 6. Maybe Pick 10 for pick 14, 117 and 192.

Patriots 2023 Draft Slots

• Round 1, Pick 14 overall
• Round 2, Pick 46 overall
• Round 3, Pick 76 overall (From CAR)
• Round 4, Pick 107 overall (from LAR)
• Round 4, Pick 117 overall
• Round 4, Pick 135 overall
• Round 6, Pick 184 overall (From CAR)
• Round 6, Pick 187 overall (From LV)
• Round 6, Pick 192 overall
• Round 6, Pick 210 overall
• Round 7, Pick 245 overall (from ATL)

On 3/21/2023 at 1:52 AM, Traveler Vic said:

I agree. But the board is unpredictable. A talent from the top 10 may slide to us, or someone could be interested in the QB and offer us a nice package to trade down, or a top CB could be available for depth/nickel package. I do not think that addressing strictly position of need, is the way to go at 10. We could draft a best talent for the future...but the bottom line, there are a lot of options.

 

On 3/21/2023 at 5:31 PM, judunno said:

Yup... and Howie continues to fill out the roster with potential starters even prior to the draft. This roster will be stacked again and we have some great picks to work with. I'm all for a trade up at 10 considering we'll likely not be that high for possibly the next decade if all goes well 🙂

I would be truly shocked at this point if they take a corner at 10. They are realistically locked into Slay, Bradberry and Maddox for the next 2 years and it just doesn’t make sense to have a top 10 non QB blocked for that long.

I’m pretty certain it’s going to be a lineman and I agree a trade up is definitely possible, particularly if they can use next year’s second. 

They'll stay at 10, or drop a few spots if theres a QB or somebody that another team just HAS to have.

The one they will trade is #30.  It's basically a second round pick that comes with a fifth year option in the contract.  Someone will want that at the end of the Day One Draft.

 

1 hour ago, Rey said:

 

That PFF draft simulator is a joke. Players that fit the Eagles are not rated as high as some mythical scale that they are using. Don't believe it. Go to other sites and see how players are rated. Read some in depth analysis, and decide if they fit the system..or Not? For example you know that we may need a Guard. Did this guy play guard? how did he do? was he a left or right Guard? Perhaps this guy is a Tackle, and was merely switching positions because he was the best blocker on the team, but he does experience playing a guard? and so on. 

48 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

That PFF draft simulator is a joke. Players that fit the Eagles are not rated as high as some mythical scale that they are using. Don't believe it. Go to other sites and see how players are rated. Read some in depth analysis, and decide if they fit the system..or Not? For example you know that we may need a Guard. Did this guy play guard? how did he do? was he a left or right Guard? Perhaps this guy is a Tackle, and was merely switching positions because he was the best blocker on the team, but he does experience playing a guard? and so on. 

I completely agree actually ... I just figured I'd try it since I keep seeing these pop up all over the place. I just joined this site not that long ago, but I've been following the draft and college FB religiously for over 30 years. I really don't get some of their rankings ... but I wouldn't actually be too upset if our draft ended up like this.

For the premier positions, e.g. OT, DL and CB, better to stay at #10 and get a blue-chip player.  Choosing among the 3 positions, good chances to have good players available at #10.

The #30 pick is way down and frankly not much better than the 2nd round picks.  Unless there is a player must have, wise to trade down to 2nd and get an extra pick or 2 in latter rounds.

 

On 3/24/2023 at 4:30 PM, Penn7980 said:

For the premier positions, e.g. OT, DL and CB, better to stay at #10 and get a blue-chip player.  Choosing among the 3 positions, good chances to have good players available at #10.

The #30 pick is way down and frankly not much better than the 2nd round picks.  Unless there is a player must have, wise to trade down to 2nd and get an extra pick or 2 in latter rounds.

 

With the extensions the Eagles just gave out to these corners I kind of feel like they should wait at least one more season before addressing that position. They probably could use another pick on DT and possibly the OL, but I can’t really call these priorities right now for a team that is SB ready. Where are the needs? Safety, Linebacker, DT, and running back. The only spot we know the Eagles love to draft is on the OL and DL early in the draft, BUT what if they finally do the unthinkable and actually draft a special talent at running back? Under normal conditions I would completely disagree with that type of logic especially when Andy Reid was HC, but this team runs the ball a lot more than Andy’s old team ever dreamed of. The more this team has a back who is a legitimate threat with the ball, the less hits Jalen needs to take running with it. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Howie trade down, acquire another future first for 2024, and take a running back at some point higher than anyone expected them to. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

s With the extensions the Eagles just gave out to these corners I kind of feel like they should wait at least one more season before addressing that position. They probably could use another pick on DT and possibly the OL, but I can’t really call these priorities right now for a team that is SB ready. Where are the needs? Safety, Linebacker, DT, and running back. The only spot we know the Eagles love to draft is on the OL and DL early in the draft, BUT what if they finally do the unthinkable and actually draft a special talent at running back? Under normal conditions I would completely disagree with that type of logic especially when Andy Reid was HC, but this team runs the ball a lot more than Andy’s old team ever dreamed of. The more this team has a back who is a legitimate threat with the ball, the less hits Jalen needs to take running with it. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Howie trade down, acquire another future first for 2024, and take a running back at some point higher than anyone expected them to. 

Thing is you can get a special back like this in the 2nd or 3rd. Jalen running the ball is part of his game and frankly the design of the offense. He'll just have to pick his spots more to protect himself. They actually have 4 viable backs for RBC on the roster already with Gainwell, Scott, Penny, and Sermon. They keep maybe 4 backs so Sermon would probably be the odd man out if they draft a guy. I still don't understand why he didn't get many opportunities last year. Gibbs or Izzy would be fine with me :) I'm trading up for Anderson, Carter, or Tyree Wilson with that first pick. If they really really love Bijan they can trade up from 30 I guess if he's in a reasonable range otherwise trade back out of the first and recoup the picks needed to trade into the top 5. Bijan would definitely bring another element to the offense when it comes to receiving but so would a Gibbs.

3 hours ago, judunno said:

Thing is you can get a special back like this in the 2nd or 3rd. Jalen running the ball is part of his game and frankly the design of the offense. He'll just have to pick his spots more to protect himself. They actually have 4 viable backs for RBC on the roster already with Gainwell, Scott, Penny, and Sermon. They keep maybe 4 backs so Sermon would probably be the odd man out if they draft a guy. I still don't understand why he didn't get many opportunities last year. Gibbs or Izzy would be fine with me 🙂 I'm trading up for Anderson, Carter, or Tyree Wilson with that first pick. If they really really love Bijan they can trade up from 30 I guess if he's in a reasonable range otherwise trade back out of the first and recoup the picks needed to trade into the top 5. Bijan would definitely bring another element to the offense when it comes to receiving but so would a Gibbs.

I don’t know how confident I am in Howie waiting too late to pick up a back. I’d rather he picks one up sooner rather than later. As far as the guys on the roster well I don’t see much there at the position. I think Scott means more to the Eagles than anyone other than the Giants. 😂 Gainwell had a nice run in the playoffs, but kind of disappeared in the SB after Sanders left. Who knows what we are getting with Penny and Sermon just feels like another one of these overhyped fan dreams. If he really was that good would the 49ers have just dumped him? The Eagles saw enough to no give him any real chances. I don’t feel like the Eagles have enough to move into the top five without using both first, and is anyone up there worth that much? Lately it just feels like Howie is gambling on a trade with a team, and that team will be bad enough to get the Eagles into the top five. I really see it more likely he moves back than up. If they could get Gibbs in the 2nd then they probably wait though. 

19 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t know how confident I am in Howie waiting too late to pick up a back. I’d rather he picks one up sooner rather than later. As far as the guys on the roster well I don’t see much there at the position. I think Scott means more to the Eagles than anyone other than the Giants. 😂 Gainwell had a nice run in the playoffs, but kind of disappeared in the SB after Sanders left. Who knows what we are getting with Penny and Sermon just feels like another one of these overhyped fan dreams. If he really was that good would the 49ers have just dumped him? The Eagles saw enough to no give him any real chances. I don’t feel like the Eagles have enough to move into the top five without using both first, and is anyone up there worth that much? Lately it just feels like Howie is gambling on a trade with a team, and that team will be bad enough to get the Eagles into the top five. I really see it more likely he moves back than up. If they could get Gibbs in the 2nd then they probably wait though. 

They have 2 2nds in 2024 in their arsenal if they want to move up they have the assets to do so. Move up to five wouldn't necessarily cost them the other 1st.

I think we stay put at 10. Regardless, whoever/wherever we pick in the 1st, all I'm saying they better be a day 1 starter!

On 3/20/2023 at 9:15 PM, Rey said:

With both starting Corners now likely entrenched for at least the next two seasons "and" the signing of CB Greedy Williams ... I think the focus shifts away from CB at 10. I am really starting to like the idea of S Brian Branch if we stay at 10. This kid has everything other than great straight-line clock speed (although 4.58 isn't horrible for a Safety). His instincts, cover ability (can play the slot like Chauncey could), tackling ability and field presence are top notch. Right there with Branch I have DT Calijah Kancey ... I think this kid has that it factor as an interior pass rusher regardless of size. He's also a bull when it comes to getting into the backfield and even though he has shorter arms than what you would like, his hand use is elite; he's a flat-out disrupter in the backfield. The only issue with Kancey is whether or not he will fit the scheme if we go mostly 3-4. We may need to add a 3-4 End type which would point to guys like Tyre Wilson from Texas Tech if he slips, Lukas Van Ness from Iowa (too raw for 10 imo) or Myles Murphy from Clemson. I'm actually not a huge fan of any of those at 10 to be honest ... I'd much prefer a trade down for a 3-4 Classic End type. I guess we would have to have a better understanding of what Sean Desai wants out of his D to make a better guess of what players we have interest in. S Brian Branch keeps making the most sense to me ... putting that kid between guys like Slay, Bradbury and Maddox seems like winning ticket to me regardless of what kind of D Desai will run.

I like Branch a lot and think he could do some real damage here, but I think he will be available later in the 1st round.  If we could grab him on a trade down packaged with a few later round pics I'd call that a win.  

If we stay at 10 though, I think you'll see them take a big body there. 

8 hours ago, Portyansky said:

I think we stay put at 10. Regardless, whoever/wherever we pick in the 1st, all I'm saying they better be a day 1 starter!

Would have to happen to land on a position of need player to be a day one starter. Specifically right now a DT. Any other position at 10 likely isn't starting. Howie would have to break his tendency... RB and Safety could start I guess.