January 17, 20223 yr Thanks to hunt I decided to revisit this: On 9/21/2020 at 11:09 AM, paco said: Everyone is talking about how we are $71 million over the cap next year and there has been debate about "oh, we just cut this guy and restructure that guy and carry over this years space and..." to handle our 2021 cap situation. What is not being talked about is how Howie loves to build in "fake years" into ne contracts to further spread out the signing bonus to lower current year cap #'s. ("Fake years" meaning the contract may be for 5 years, but the last two years automatically void when you get to year 4, so it has 2 fake years) Sure, it looked great this year when we got Slay, Hargrave, etc for about 5 cents, but that bill will be paid at some point. Its something I've been wondering.... how many of these contracts do we have on the books and when will it hit? Well, I haven't done the entire roster yet (but I am at a point where I hit all the big contracts and wont find anything significantly different) and its already worse that I thought. Below are all of the "fake years" and the dead cap hit for each player. Note that the entirety of the dead cap hit takes place on the first of the fake years (it is not spread out) Fletcher Cox - Fake year in 2023. $3.6 million Alshon Jeffery - Two fake years starting 2022. $5 million Zach Ertz - Two fake years starting 2022. $3.5 million Lane Johnson - Three fake years starting in 2026. $1.2 million DeSean Jackson - Two fake years starting 2022. $3.86 million Jason Kelce - Three fake years starting in 2022. $7.2 million Brandon Graham - Three fake years starting in 2022. $12.2 million Malik Jackson - Three fake years starting in 2022. $9 million Darius Slay - Two fake years starting 2022. $2.5 million Javon Hargrave - Two fake years starting 2023. $5 million Rodney McLeod - Three fake years starting in 2022. $1.8 million Isaac Seumalo - Two fake years starting 2023. $2 million What does this mean? Well, assuming 1) everyone lives out their contract and 2) there is no further restructuring, in 2022 we are looking at a $45 MILLION DOLLAR DEAD CAP HIT. 32 minutes ago, paco said: Now that the season is over, I wanted to revisit the above: Cox: Restructured. Added 2 fake years (2023-2025) and will now have a dead cap hit of $16,912,120 in the first fake year. So the cap hit after he is gone increases roughly by 13.5 million Alshon: Cut in 2021. Has a 2022 dead cap hit of $5,435,706. Roughly the same. Ertz: Traded. Has a 2022 dead cap hit of $3,548,000. Same Lane: Contract remains the same. Desean: Released. Entire dead cap hit was absorbed in 2021 Kelce: I'm honestly wrapping my head around this one still. If I look at the table it looks like he now has void years 2023-2025 with a 9 million dead cap hit in 2023. So for this conversation I'm keeping it simple and going with that, especially since he may retire and that opens up a whole other cap discussion. There are some interesting details I'll put in the spoiler tag below. The change basically pushes his "fake year" to 2023 and increases it by 2 million. Reveal hidden contents Kelce signed a new contract with the Eagles in March of 2021. The new contract is a effectively a one year, $9 million contract that includes a $4.5 million raise from his prior salary. The contract contains what are effectively four dummy contract years for salary cap purposes which is designed to allow the Eagles to use a June 1 release on Kelce in 2022. The move created $2.84 million in 2021 cap room for Philadelphia. Brandon Graham: Received a new 2 year contract. His fake years are now 2024-2026 to the tune of $10,148,000. Basically the fake years were pushed back and the dead cap hit was LOWERED by 2 million. Get well soon, we missed you. Malik Jackson: Cut. Dead money for 2022 remains the same. Darius Slay: Was extended since the original post. He now has two fake years starting in 2024 to the tune of 4.6 million. Basically the fake years were pushed back and the dead cap hit was RAISED by 2 million. Javon Hargrave: Restructured in 2021. Almost 12 million in salary was converted to bonuses and added a fake year. As it stands right now, he is still gone in 2023 and that dead cap hit INCREASES by 7 million. Rodney McLeod: I'm not seeing anything that suggests he restructured, and maybe the original data was wrong, but hes still a FA, but his dead cap hit is showing to be 2.1 million, not 1.8. Whatever Isaac Seumalo: Had a small restructure. They added a fake year and increases his 2023 dead cap hit to 3.8 million, up almost 2 million since the OP. Verdict: For 2022, for the most part everything stayed the same from a dead cap perspective. Kelces fake year was pushed to 2023 (of course if he retires, that's a 13 million dead cap hit if they don't designate him as a June 1st retire), Brandon G was pushed to 2024, Slay signed a new contract and we absorbed all of Desean's contract last year. 2023 had more money pushed to it. 13.5 million for cox, 7 million for Hargrave plus a little more for Seumallo. So to help 2022, $21 million in dead cap was added to 2023 Final thoughts: If I hear one more idiot on WIP (both hosts and callers) talk about how we fixed the cap and took our licks in 2021 and now are flush with cash, I'm going to f'n lose it. TLDR: $22,009,361 in dead cap for 2022 Plus 2 million for Mcleod when the new year starts Plus whatever if Kelce retires And $21 new in dead cap space for 2023. So Howie basically took the 2022 huge dead cap hit and pushed half of it to 2023. I'm not outraged unless he starts doing some crazy restructures and adds more dead cap space to free up space sign another "big name". But if he did this and chills the f out this year, we will be a lot healthier, fiscally, in 2023 despite the dead money hanging over that year.
January 17, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, paco said: Thanks to hunt I decided to revisit this: TLDR: $22,009,361 in dead cap for 2022 Plus 2 million for Mcleod when the new year starts Plus whatever if Kelce retires And $21 new in dead cap space for 2023. So Howie basically took the 2022 huge dead cap hit and pushed half of it to 2023. I'm not outraged unless he starts doing some crazy restructures and adds more dead cap space to free up space sign another "big name". But if he did this and chills the f out this year, we will be a lot healthier, fiscally, in 2023 despite the dead money hanging over that year.
January 17, 20223 yr These void years are a F'ing disaster and should never be used again. As long as you continue to spend and restructure you're never getting out of the mess. We still haven't paid the piper yet on Howie's dumbFkery.
January 17, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: These void years are a F'ing disaster and should never be used again. As long as you continue to spend and restructure you're never getting out of the mess. We still haven't paid the piper yet on Howie's dumbFkery. My only hope is that Howie chills the F out. We have 12 million in space that would be really nice to roll over or extend our current players with. We have a ton of draft capital. If he can stay away from kicking the can further down the road we eat the new 2023 dead cap he created, we can be in the clear after this year. But he will probably take half of 2023's dead cap and shift it to 2024. Probably with a restructure of Lanes contract.
January 17, 20223 yr 40 minutes ago, paco said: My only hope is that Howie chills the F out. We have 12 million in space that would be really nice to roll over or extend our current players with. We have a ton of draft capital. If he can stay away from kicking the can further down the road we eat the new 2023 dead cap he created, we can be in the clear after this year. But he will probably take half of 2023's dead cap and shift it to 2024. Probably with a restructure of Lanes contract. As long as he stays away from Cox's contract for the umpteenth time. At this point it's basically the football equivalent of Marge Simpson's Chanel suit.
January 17, 20223 yr I don't know. Seems to me that we would have been better off with the dead cap space on the field, then some of the players that we had out there this year.
January 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Toty said: it's ok... you can say his name Just thinking about feels like getting kicked in the Reagor.
January 18, 20223 yr 19 hours ago, paco said: My only hope is that Howie chills the F out. We have 12 million in space that would be really nice to roll over or extend our current players with. We have a ton of draft capital. If he can stay away from kicking the can further down the road we eat the new 2023 dead cap he created, we can be in the clear after this year. But he will probably take half of 2023's dead cap and shift it to 2024. Probably with a restructure of Lanes contract. yeah...just basically do nothing for the next 2 years except draft talent & maybe extend a couple players. there's no franchise type qb in this year's draft anyway...and who knows if the 2023 draft will be any better. trust the process!
January 18, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: yeah...just basically do nothing for the next 2 years except draft talent & maybe extend a couple players. there's no franchise type qb in this year's draft anyway...and who knows if the 2023 draft will be any better. trust the process! Spoiler
January 18, 20223 yr Here's Howie thinking about possible deals 5 minutes after saying that he's going to chill the f out for the next year or two.
January 18, 20223 yr My early wants, go all D and sign a WR like Jamison Crowder or JuJu Smith-Schuster David Ojabo, Nakobe Dean, and Booth/Elam/Ahmad Gardner
January 19, 20223 yr just received TXT from Chickie (remember we live in San Antonio): Quote Got pulled over. Officer walks up: Good afternoon, how are you doing? Me: Well, I *WAS* doing ok, lol. Officer laughs. "Well, I just wanted to give you a warning about your left tail light, and also about the graffiti on your car." Me: "Graffiti?" Him: "Yes, ma'am. Someone put Philadelphia Eagles stuff all over the back."
January 19, 20223 yr 32 minutes ago, wholesale_Melvin said: just received TXT from Chickie (remember we live in San Antonio): And she didn't reply "How bout dem cowboys?" Huge, huge fail.
January 19, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, paco said: And she didn't reply "How bout dem cowboys?" Huge, huge fail. i've been running up to every cowgirls fan here at the office, spotting the ball, and think back pedaling as fast as possible. that's good for something.
January 20, 20223 yr Quote The Bills have a deel-doe throwing epidemic against the Patriots A complete history of Bills fans throwing deel-does on the field against the Patriots. Buffalo Bills fans are a passionate bunch. They also have a pretty deranged collective sense of humor. ‘Bills Mafia’ is known for jumping through tables, dousing a man in ketchup and mustard, and getting as rowdy as possible both before and during games. Bills fans are known for one other thing: throwing deel-does on the field when they play the New England Patriots. It won’t stop happening. The Bills hosted the Patriots in the first round of the 2022 NFL Playoffs on Saturday night. The game was being played in near zero-degree temperatures, but of course that didn’t deter Buffalo fans from getting super jacked up. The Bills offense came out on fire, scoring touchdown after touchdown against the Patriots to open up a big halftime lead. When New England finally scored its first touchdown with Buffalo well on its way to an easy victory, Bills fans were ready to keep their weirdest tradition alive. Mac Jones hit Kendrick Bourne for a three-yard strike to cut the deficit to 33-10 with four minutes left in the third quarter. That’s when a Bills fan threw a deel-doe into the end zone. Bourne pointing at the deel-doe and it became an instant meme. You can watch a clip of it happening here: No, this is not the first time a Bills fan has thrown a deel-doe on the field against the Patriots. During a regular season matchup in 2016, someone in Buffalo’s home crowd threw a deel-doe on the field. After the game, a Bills executive said deel-doe throwers would be banned for life. That’s a harsh but probably fitting punishment for throwing a sex toy onto the field, but it didn’t deter Bills fans from doing it again and again. In 2017, there was another deel-doe thrown onto the field during a Bills vs. Pats game in Buffalo. This time, we got some sick footage of the toss from the stands. In 2018, Bills fans threw a deel-doe onto the field in a game against the Patriots once again. This time, someone actually got arrested for it. The refs decided they were not touching the sex toy with their hands. Honestly, that’s a smart move. If you thought a global pandemic would stop Bills fans from tossing a phallic object onto the field against the Pats, well, you thought wrong. Bills fans don’t stop. They just keep going harder. The Bills are moving on in the playoffs after knocking out the Patriots by playing what was basically a perfect game. What a sweet feeling that must be. Live it up, Buffalo. Keep your sex toys to yourself, though.
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