Posted May 5, 20232 yr How is this not being discussed in here? Sh**lib dems are trying to make him the next George Floyd. Discuss.
May 5, 20232 yr I guess you'd have to start by explaining who Subway Michael Jackson is and what the hell you're talking about. And make sure you include as many "ishlibs" as possible so we all understand the partisan battle lines.
May 5, 20232 yr Of course the far left is going way too far on this but so is the far right. Maybe we wait for all the information to come out before convicting or exonerating the former Marine that choked a man to death.
May 5, 20232 yr Author 21 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Of course the far left is going way too far on this but so is the far right. Maybe we wait for all the information to come out before convicting or exonerating the former Marine that choked a man to death. There's already been a ton of witness testimony. Violent mentally ill homeless dude who had been released a billion times because of awful liberal policies started threatening a bunch of people on the subway. Marine subdued him with a chokehold while two others helped hold him. Dude died. No charges yet, but liberals are again leading a lynch mob because a beloved Michael Jackson impersonator was "lynched."
May 5, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, Kz! said: There's already been a ton of witness testimony. Violent mentally ill homeless dude who had been released a billion times because of awful liberal policies started threatening a bunch of people on the subway. Marine subdued him with a chokehold while two others helped hold him. Dude died. No charges yet, but liberals are again leading a lynch mob because a beloved Michael Jackson impersonator was "lynched." You would be exhibit A on the over reaction from the far right. It’s really no surprise though. No doubt that those on the far left are over reacting as bad as you. Congrats for being the same. I have seen no witness statement that the man physically confronted anyone on the subway prior to the incident, though there is this. "The freelance journalist who recorded the incident, Juan Alberto Vazquez, told the New York Post that Neely vvwas screaming "in an aggressive manner,” and complaining of hunger and thirst. Neely did not physically attack anyone, Vazquez said, adding that the Marine veteran approached the man after he threw his jacket to the ground.” https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2023/05/michael-jackson-impersonator-killed-on-nyc-subway-after-fellow-passengers-put-him-in-chokehold.html?outputType=amp
May 5, 20232 yr Author 5 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: You would be exhibit A on the over reaction from the far right. It’s really no surprise though. No doubt that those on the far left are over reacting as bad as you. Congrats for being the same. I have seen no witness statement that the man physically confronted anyone on the subway prior to the incident, though there is this. "The freelance journalist who recorded the incident, Juan Alberto Vazquez, told the New York Post that Neely vvwas screaming "in an aggressive manner,” and complaining of hunger and thirst. Neely did not physically attack anyone, Vazquez said, adding that the Marine veteran approached the man after he threw his jacket to the ground.” https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2023/05/michael-jackson-impersonator-killed-on-nyc-subway-after-fellow-passengers-put-him-in-chokehold.html?outputType=amp I didn't say he physically confronted anyone, dope.
May 5, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, Kz! said: I didn't say he physically confronted anyone, dope. Yet you justify him being choked to death?
May 5, 20232 yr I thought this was going to be about subway the sandwich chain and how Michael Jackson diddled kiddies on the subway dollar with Jared. #bigletdown
May 5, 20232 yr I wish there was video of his behavior before the chokehold. I'm not saying the chokehold wasn't justified, but he'd have to be really threatening to justify putting him in a chokehold for 15 minutes leading to his death. TNT is right, best to let all the facts come out.
May 5, 20232 yr 37 minutes ago, The_Omega said: I wish there was video of his behavior before the chokehold. I'm not saying the chokehold wasn't justified, but he'd have to be really threatening to justify putting him in a chokehold for 15 minutes leading to his death. TNT is right, best to let all the facts come out. I would too. I thought there were cameras on all the trains as well as an emergency pull cord. I think that there may have been some justification for subduing the guy until authorities showed up, but a lethal choke hold may have been a tad too far. It’s a sad situation regardless. One man lost his life and the other had his drastically altered whether he is charged or not.
May 6, 20232 yr 23 hours ago, VanHammersly said: I guess you'd have to start by explaining who Subway Michael Jackson is and what the hell you're talking about. And make sure you include as many "ishlibs" as possible so we all understand the partisan battle lines. Kz wanna be starting something. He's gotta be starting something. It's too high (for Kz) to get over Yeah, yeah Too low (for Kz) to get under Yeah, yeah
May 6, 20232 yr 21 hours ago, The_Omega said: I wish there was video of his behavior before the chokehold. I'm not saying the chokehold wasn't justified, but he'd have to be really threatening to justify putting him in a chokehold for 15 minutes leading to his death. TNT is right, best to let all the facts come out. And how is that course of action supposed to own some libs?
May 6, 20232 yr Pretty sure that a crazy guy yelling crazy stuff isn’t a justification for restraining said crazy guy. A reasonable person would have to believe that there was an imminent danger of bodily injury to himself or others, or that the crazy guy was a danger to himself. Pretty sure that no one is going to be able to articulate that, short of the crazy guy making comments to that effect or someone having the ability to articulate that based on physical indicators of imminent danger (tense, closed fists, heavy breathing, approaching people aggressively). TBH I think it’ll probably get a manslaughter charge. Curious if @PoconoDon has thoughts.
May 6, 20232 yr From 10 years ago. Not justifying what happened, just showing that he’d been engaged in similar behavior for at least 10 years. All those politicians and activists pretending to care about him now that he’s dead couldn’t have cared less about him while he was alive. [quote] Try to stay away from the Michael Jackson impersonator if you see him... Used to be all cool, dancing to MJ in the subway train, but as of late he's become a maniac. Sometime in late Spring/early Summer I saw him in the train, his radio Fed up and he was angry as F, cursing and bad mouthing commuters screaming "What the F are you looking at? Dont Fing look at me!" Totally didn't expect him to act as such. Ever since that day he's just been a scary dude to me. He doesn't dress up anymore. No more dancing...just asks for money. Occasionally shouting obscenities. Today, however was odd. Sometime in the morning, on my way to school I'm sitting on the bench and out of nowhere hear someone just going off, cussing up a storm. It was the MJ dude. Everyone besides this guy was quite. A MTA crew was there but did nothing and just let him continue blow his gasket. Train arrives and I just get in the car he's not in because I'm sure as F not getting in the same car as him. Dude didn't even wait till he got inside the train. I was scared for the people next to him out of fear that some one was gonna fall on the tracks. Just avoid the guy at all costs, try not to look at him at all. Stay safe. [/quote]
May 6, 20232 yr On 5/5/2023 at 3:05 PM, VanHammersly said: I guess you'd have to start by explaining who Subway Michael Jackson is and what the hell you're talking about. And make sure you include as many "ishlibs" as possible so we all understand the partisan battle lines. Most people, when ignorant about a subject, would either try to educate themselves before commenting, or just remain quiet. But you’re not most people. You wear your ignorance as a badge of honor while rushing into another battle offering nothing. Ever.
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May 6, 20232 yr I was wondering if the Marine knew about his guy before hand or if it was his first encounter. Turns out he could have known that he was notorious for being belligerently aggressive with other passengers. Not sure if it justifies a deadly choke hold but the authorities that knew about the guy and did nothing are part of the problem. The NYC Mayor, has voiced his frustration with far left DA’s being too soft on crime.
May 7, 20232 yr On 5/5/2023 at 5:09 PM, The_Omega said: I wish there was video of his behavior before the chokehold. I'm not saying the chokehold wasn't justified, but he'd have to be really threatening to justify putting him in a chokehold for 15 minutes leading to his death. TNT is right, best to let all the facts come out. I can understand putting him in a choke hold if he was acting aggressive and maybe threatening people. But the dude should know that after so long of having him in that hold he will die. Doesn't take that long to subdue him.
May 7, 20232 yr 15 hours ago, Bill said: Pretty sure that a crazy guy yelling crazy stuff isn’t a justification for restraining said crazy guy. A reasonable person would have to believe that there was an imminent danger of bodily injury to himself or others, or that the crazy guy was a danger to himself. Pretty sure that no one is going to be able to articulate that, short of the crazy guy making comments to that effect or someone having the ability to articulate that based on physical indicators of imminent danger (tense, closed fists, heavy breathing, approaching people aggressively). TBH I think it’ll probably get a manslaughter charge. Curious if @PoconoDon has thoughts. I don't have the facts of the case so I really can't conclude anything. As you know Bill, the devil's always in the details. Generally, any use of force has to be justified and the force being used must be the minimum necessary to neutralize the threat, establish, and maintain a safe scene. Once the resistance ends, the application of force should be minimized. Choke holds are a very poor choice. I don't know if there's evidence supporting any use of force in this incident or not. I do know that choking someone to death, even accidentally, is probably going to carry with it, some criminal charges, and in the absence of evidence that it was an intentional killing, which I have no information on, manslaughter is a good bet. For my part, it's all speculation, so I'll just wait for the trial.
May 7, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, The_Omega said: Most people, when ignorant about a subject, would either try to educate themselves before commenting, or just remain quiet. But you’re not most people. You wear your ignorance as a badge of honor while rushing into another battle offering nothing. Ever. I asked what he was talking about, you F’ing weirdo.
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