On a side note this does bring a little more light as to why Jalen requested the NTC be added to his contract. 

21 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

 

Ultimately the Wilson side of this few people around here care even a little about. I do think there is some jaded feelings here from the Seattle side, and there’s also many GMs kind of sick of the praise Howie Roseman has been receiving as of late, also if this can take the Eagles down a peg in any way their rivals would be more than happy it happens. Wilson will be with his third coach in three seasons. He’s now dealing with a coach with a bigger ego than his own. That situation has the potential to become highly combustible. The Eagles have stability and Jalen would now be entertaining his third season with the same coach in the same offense. On paper it’s a much better situation to be in than Denver right now, but Wilson made his own bed. Now he has to sleep in it.

Wilson has been buying in. He even showed up having dropped some weight. He looked heavy and out of shape last year....fat and happy, as they say. Last year was so bad that it had to have humbled him. He was a joke, a punchline....I just don't see how he wouldn't realize he needed to change. Will it happen and will he rebound? Who knows, but so far, he's falling in line with everyone else. Payton made it clear from day 1 that he runs the show, not Russ.

 

And the fact that some are jealous of Howie is laughable. While he made his share of mistakes, the guy has helped keep Philly a contender for years and rebounded after the Chip Kelly fiasco. He should be admired for fighting through all he did and for improving his craft.

In Denver, our GM George Paton gets lauded and is said to be respected around the league. For what? We got worse under him and I argue with my fellow Broncos fans because I think he's highly overrated. If I'm jealous if anything...its that Howie isn't my GM.

I take reports like this with a grain of salt.  Eagles MO has been zipit under Howie

2 minutes ago, Broncos72 said:

Wilson has been buying in. He even showed up having dropped some weight. He looked heavy and out of shape last year....fat and happy, as they say. Last year was so bad that it had to have humbled him. He was a joke, a punchline....I just don't see how he wouldn't realize he needed to change. Will it happen and will he rebound? Who knows, but so far, he's falling in line with everyone else. Payton made it clear from day 1 that he runs the show, not Russ.

At this point he doesn’t really have a choice, but Wilson’s problems last year weren’t just off the field. He was a disaster on the field as well. Not to mention Payton himself has his own issues from being suspended to basically leaving the Saints a hot mess. I wonder if the Broncos can survive those two over inflated egos. If the losses start to mount you might want to get your popcorn ready, because that’s when the real drama will start. Ultimately I’m glad that’s a problem for the Broncos and not the Eagles.

3 minutes ago, Procus said:

I take reports like this with a grain of salt.  Eagles MO has been zipit under Howie

I don’t believe the Eagles leaked this. They literally gain nothing from doing so. This was obviously out there with intentions to either discredit Roseman or hurt Wilson. It’s possible both could be options. With that being the case there does seem to be some credibility to this one. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Certainly Howie was in his right to hedge his bets a little. After all he probably wasn’t expecting Jalen to start as soon as he did, and he probably shouldn’t have expected the type of year Jalen had. Who could really have expected that big a jump? Very few people aren’t glad things turned out the way they did, but it’s a long summer and I was just looking for something different to discuss. 

I wouldn't say it was the majority here but there were quite a few of us that expected Hurts to improve from 2021 (although I highly doubt anyone expected him to improve as much as he did).  I was one of those that was completely against trading for Wilson, Watson, or Rodgers when rumors were swirling last year about our alleged interest (that was obviously before Hurts had a monster year).  I can understand wanting to play it safe but am just super thankful none of those moves transpired.  

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

At this point he doesn’t really have a choice, but Wilson’s problems last year weren’t just off the field. He was a disaster on the field as well. Not to mention Payton himself has his own issues from being suspended to basically leaving the Saints a hot mess. I wonder if the Broncos can survive those two over inflated egos. If the losses start to mount you might want to get your popcorn ready, because that’s when the real drama will start. Ultimately I’m glad that’s a problem for the Broncos and not the Eagles.

Yeah, I literally said he said he played poorly last year. I was very critical of him as was pretty much all of Broncos Country. We never excused his poor play or ego. In fact he was pretty much roasted all year...and rightfully so.

And like I said, Payton is in charge. Russ has to buy in or Payton will bench him for Stidham. Russ showed doing it his way doesn't work. Payton's way does and it made the Saints go from a doormat organization to a perennial contender. 

And Payton's suspension was 10 years ago...he paid his debt. 

I'm sure that the Eagles had legitimate interest in Russell Wilson. He was "the one that got away" in terms of QBs in that 2012 draft class. One of the worst kept secrets that year was Andy Reid wanting  Russell Wilson as his next franchise QB. The Eagles (along with the rest of the league) passed on him in the first 2 rounds. Technically Howie was right in that Wilson was gonna fall to round 3, but the Seahawks ended up taking advantage instead. 

It all ended up working out though eventually, as the Eagles picks in Rounds 1-2 (Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, and Vinny Curry) ended up being starters on the Super Bowl LII team, not to mention the QB we ended up taking as a consolation prize at #88 overall, Nick Foles 😎, our Super Bowl MVP.

Pretty solid draft class when your first 4 consecutive picks end up being starters for a Super Bowl team.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

The chemistry in Seattle began to erode once they paid Wilson the money and basically let the Legion of Boom walk. They had success with Wilson over the years, but they never achieved the same amount of success that they had in the past before they paid him. Still the season before last, Wilson began to show signs of decline and seemed to me like a player to avoid. People were trying to downplay Wilson's apparent decline to injury, but to me it seemed like Wilson was a player to avoid and not go all in to get. Overall, I am very pleased Wilson chose to go in a different direction. 

The Legion of Boom declined because a lot of those players were on their second/third contracts and also declined. You can still have sustained success through good personnel decisions while employing a top-paid franchise QB. Just like we're seeing big name players drawn to the idea of playing with Hurts, that's how it can play out for other teams as well. 

You are correct that Wilson was coming off an unimpressive season --- one in which PFF had Hurts ranked higher than him, much to the dismay of the Hurts-haters. The bottom line to me is that Wilson was not worth what the Broncos gave up to get him. They were fleeced, plain and simple. In teams' desires to have  top franchise QBs, they are breaking common sense rules that say you don't give up as much draft capital for a payer that has a huge cap hit.

I don't want to get too involved in the "What ifs?" I mean, we really don't know how things would have turned out here. We can only speculate. It is possible Wilson could have had success with Sirianni and his staff. There's no way to know. Fortunately, we do know how things turned out with Hurts last season and you would have to be some kind of nutcase to deduce a more positive outcome with a player that didn't seemingly make his new team better. 

If Wilson truly declined a trade here he's a Fing moron, this was a team that was a QB away from competing and instead he went to Denver lmfao.

Luckily Hurts took such a huge step and brought us to the Super Bowl. I expect regression this year but I think he'll still be better than russ ever would have been here. Also Wilson is soft as baby ish, he would have never survived this city

2 hours ago, devpool said:

If Wilson truly declined a trade here he's a Fing moron, this was a team that was a QB away from competing and instead he went to Denver lmfao.

Luckily Hurts took such a huge step and brought us to the Super Bowl. I expect regression this year but I think he'll still be better than russ ever would have been here. Also Wilson is soft as baby ish, he would have never survived this city

Don't think everybody has the same criteria you do.  Philly is an offensive and undesirable venue for many people.  It's a dirty, dangerous city with high taxes and a rowdy fanbase.  Not so hard to see why somebody wouldn't want to relocate there.  Don't forget that he signed a monster contract with Denver and is set for life.  The guy's won a SB, been to another one, so his goals are not necessarily aligned with what an out of town fan thinks they should be.

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

From stories that I have heard about Wilson he seems like a guy who can be aloof and somewhat a diva. There was a story about how he refused to eat any of the food prepared by the Eagles in a game that played and actually delayed the flight out for his own special delivery of food. There was talk he has his own office in Denver separate from his teammates. Legion of Boom members have been critical of their former teammate. It seems like he can be his own cause for poor chemistry with his teammates. Conversely Jalen Hurts won over his teammates with hard work, accountability, and leadership. Rumor has it Hurts was connected in some way to a Wilson trade. Could you imagine how bad that would look if Jalen had his Philly season in Seattle while Wilson had his Denver season here? 

Howie should be giving thanks that things turned out like they did.

Last offseason the last game we had seen Hurts in was the Tampa one
 

The talks with Seattle for Wilson were pre- AJ Brown as well. Which most definitely made the Eagles a less lucrative place to play.

Fortunately it didn’t happen, we did end up with AJ and Hurts transformed to a super bowl level QB. It worked out extremely well for us!!!

10 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

The talks with Seattle for Wilson were pre- AJ Brown as well. Which most definitely made the Eagles a less lucrative place to play.

Fortunately it didn’t happen, we did end up with AJ and Hurts transformed to a super bowl level QB. It worked out extremely well for us!!!

It’s very likely the Brown first would have been used on Wilson also. We probably have a much different football team. 

57 minutes ago, Fresh_Prince said:

Last offseason the last game we had seen Hurts in was the Tampa one
 

Wilson also struggled for multiple games that year too, but it was downplayed due to injury. Having Reagor didn’t help and here’s a harsh truth. If Wilson were here then Reagor probably would have been too, because they would not have had the draft capital to trade for Brown. Still I wonder why this all came out now. 

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

I wouldn't say it was the majority here but there were quite a few of us that expected Hurts to improve from 2021 (although I highly doubt anyone expected him to improve as much as he did).  I was one of those that was completely against trading for Wilson, Watson, or Rodgers when rumors were swirling last year about our alleged interest (that was obviously before Hurts had a monster year).  I can understand wanting to play it safe but am just super thankful none of those moves transpired.  

I also did not want the move to happen and it was shown the Hurts had a passer rating well over 100 when throwing to receivers not named Reagor. Keeping Hurts seemed to me like the better move, because it looked like a better way to develop a who team and not just have a quarterback. I wonder if in the minds of some has Howie been somewhat degraded considering he was willing to go all in for Wilson? Seems like Wilson has always been his white whale even though he has a super bowl victory with quarterbacks he drafted. 

Other than RTK, I'm not sure there was anyone on the planet who could have foreseen Hurts taking such a drastic All-Pro level leap.

I don't blame Howie for going after a 'sure thing'.

All's well that ends well.

There are always "reports" and rumors, or just pure speculation about the Eagles. I do believe Howie talks to teams a lot to see what's out there which is why he's able to acquire talent all throughout the year. I think that makes it easy for click bait reporters to throw things online about their interest.

4 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Other than RTK, I'm not sure there was anyone on the planet who could have foreseen Hurts taking such a drastic All-Pro level leap.

I don't blame Howie for going after a 'sure thing'.

All's well that ends well.

I’m no lookin to rehash the past, but I do think it’s interesting that his story resurfaced once again. Overall Russ looks the worst out of all parties involved, but this does feel like some are trying to make Howie look bad here also.

4 hours ago, NOTW said:

There are always "reports" and rumors, or just pure speculation about the Eagles. I do believe Howie talks to teams a lot to see what's out there which is why he's able to acquire talent all throughout the year. I think that makes it easy for click bait reporters to throw things online about their interest.

I read that Wilson’s personal QB coach also said Russ turned down the Eagles and Commanders deals sometime around the combine giving a bit more credence to the story. I’m just trying to make sense of the why this story now? What is actually gained by it? Writing a story like "Eagles are Rumored to be Trading For Budda Baker!” I get that.  Click bait away! This one doesn’t quite makes sense though, because all sides are in place and there is no change that will possible happen because of it. It is interesting that Washing doesn’t seem to be getting as much focus in the story, but Wilson turned them down also which is probably why they pivoted to Wentz. We might never know why this suddenly was the talk again. 

6 hours ago, eglz1 said:

Howie should be giving thanks that things turned out like they did.

People would have been screaming for Howie to be fired. I don’t think Russ takes the Eagles anywhere, because the Eagles as we knew them last season would not have been anywhere close to the same team due to his contract and the draft capital that would have been used to acquire Wilson. 

I don't make anything of it... Hurts made almost a quarter of a billion so I'm thinking he thinks nothing of it either. Moving on. :)

8 hours ago, devpool said:

If Wilson truly declined a trade here he's a Fing moron, this was a team that was a QB away from competing and instead he went to Denver lmfao.

Luckily Hurts took such a huge step and brought us to the Super Bowl. I expect regression this year but I think he'll still be better than russ ever would have been here. Also Wilson is soft as baby ish, he would have never survived this city

I think it’s a little overstated that the Eagles were just a quarterback away. Jalen Reagor was an absolute liability at receiver and he would have been likely been a starter for a Wilson led Eagles team. The Eagles probably would have kept one of their 2022 first and one of their 2023 firsts, but they were definitely giving up two first round picks. Here’s what the Broncos gave up and received. 
 

"The Broncos received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight end Noah Fant, quarterback Drew Lock, defensive end Shelby Harris, 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick.”

https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/broncos-trade-for-nine-time-pro-bowl-qb-russell-wilson

So between paying Wilson and giving up draft capital can the make the deal for Brown and sign him also at that time? Probably not which means Jalen Reagor is still a starter and he’s not a SB caliber receiver. 

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

I don't make anything of it... Hurts made almost a quarter of a billion so I'm thinking he thinks nothing of it either. Moving on. 🙂

I think this is more of a shot at Wilson or even at Roseman than it is at Hurts.