June 22, 20232 yr Hargrave only makes them easier to run on so I'm all for it. Please line him up next to Bosa because that's easy money for the run game.
June 23, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, brkmsn said: Also the reverse is true. Hargrave also made plays that allowed teammates to get sacks. The fact of the matter is Hargrave gave offensive lines fits. He earned his pay raise. So did Edwards, Bradberry and CJGJ. The Eagles simply weren't the team that was going to pay his going rate ... let alone all the other guys that were up for new contracts. I'm excited about Carter. Hopefully he can fill those shoes this season. Edwards is another one that didn't standout to me.
June 23, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, EagleVA said: Edwards is another one that didn't standout to me. I'm not sure what you expect from a 3-down MLB in our defense (one that rarely blitzes). He did everything he was expected to do and did it well. Signing with Chicago may not have been his best move, however, since they are moving him to WLB. He's easily worth his contract as a MLB, though
June 23, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, EagleVA said: Edwards is another one that didn't standout to me. Yeah we can all see your Nicholas Morrow post, and your Devonta Smith posts. Whatever else you are you're not an NFL scout (or a scientist, we can all see those posts too) .
June 23, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, brkmsn said: I'm not sure what you expect from a 3-down MLB in our defense (one that rarely blitzes). I expect any MLB to fill running lanes which he rarely did, making a tackles 5-10 yards beyond the LOS didn't do it for me.
June 23, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Yeah we can all see your Nicholas Morrow post, and your Devonta Smith posts. Whatever else you are you're not an NFL scout (or a scientist, we can all see those posts too) . Do you think I'm embarrassed by my Smith and Morrow analysis? Just so you know that I'm not, let me recap what I said. After Smith's first year my conclusion was he wasn't a #1 receiver, he plays too slow and get next to no separation on deep balls, his run after catch is pretty much non-existent, he was more of a possession receiver and I didn't see any difference between him and Greg Ward. I also stated that he had good hands and an excellent vertical. I stand by those statements as I think he's grossly overrated by Eagles fans and NFL analysts overall. As far as morrow is concerned, I stated that he has the skillset to be an outstanding pickup.
June 23, 20232 yr 13 hours ago, brkmsn said: I'm not sure what you expect from a 3-down MLB in our defense (one that rarely blitzes). He did everything he was expected to do and did it well. Signing with Chicago may not have been his best move, however, since they are moving him to WLB. He's easily worth his contract as a MLB, though You're wasting your time arguing with him. He isn't impressed with DeVonta Smith, hypes up random practice squad level players every year while criticizing the best players on the team for weird reasons.
June 23, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, EagleVA said: I expect any MLB to fill running lanes which he rarely did, making a tackles 5-10 yards beyond the LOS didn't do it for me. I really wish someone would go back and do the analytics on Zach Thomas, the most overrated player in NFL history.
June 24, 20232 yr On 6/22/2023 at 9:35 AM, EagleVA said: Truth be told, sacks can be overrated, many times the player getting the sack didn't cause the sack, he got the sack because the QB was running away from a defender right into the arms of the player getting the sack. For me, Hargrave didn't standout. He stood out for me.
June 24, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said: He stood out for me. A double digit sack DT always stands out especially on a defense that got as many sacks as this one did. There are plenty of DTs on this roster one could say didn’t stand out. Hargrave was one that absolutely stood out hence the reason why he got paid.
June 26, 20232 yr On 6/23/2023 at 11:50 AM, NOTW said: You're wasting your time arguing with him. He isn't impressed with DeVonta Smith, hypes up random practice squad level players every year while criticizing the best players on the team for weird reasons. Because they run fazzzzzzzzzzzzttttttt!!!!
June 26, 20232 yr On 6/23/2023 at 11:50 AM, NOTW said: You're wasting your time arguing with him. He isn't impressed with DeVonta Smith, hypes up random practice squad level players every year while criticizing the best players on the team for weird reasons. I was watching some Eagles highlights last week from last year and noticed Hargrave wore jersey #97, that gives you some idea of how much he stood out to me, while I knew his position I didn't know his number. Then I remembered KC's first play of the second half in the Super Bowl, it was a running play right at Hargrave and I asked myself, who's #97. That play stood out to me, I said right then, the Eagles lose this game, dude let the RB run right past him while making no attempt what-so-ever to make the tackle!! BTW,I don't argue with you guys, I simply express my opinions, because it doesn't coincide with the group think on this board everyone is outraged. Not only do I not argue with you guys, when someone post something I don't agree with, most of the time I don't reply and if I do I don't make the guy out to be off his rocker. But this is a Philadelphia Eagles board, carry on and do what you do.
June 26, 20232 yr On 6/23/2023 at 1:41 PM, EagleVA said: Do you think I'm embarrassed by my Smith and Morrow analysis? Just so you know that I'm not, let me recap what I said. After Smith's first year my conclusion was he wasn't a #1 receiver, he plays too slow and get next to no separation on deep balls, his run after catch is pretty much non-existent, he was more of a possession receiver and I didn't see any difference between him and Greg Ward. I also stated that he had good hands and an excellent vertical. I stand by those statements as I think he's grossly overrated by Eagles fans and NFL analysts overall. As far as morrow is concerned, I stated that he has the skillset to be an outstanding pickup. Your rebuttal to accusations that you're not much of a judge of NFL level talent is that you don't see any difference between Greg Ward (3 seasons on active roster 91 receptions for 792 yards and 10TDs) and Devonta Smith (2 seasons on active roster 178 receptions for 2369 yards and 13TD's)?
June 26, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Your rebuttal to accusations that you're not much of a judge of NFL level talent is that you don't see any difference between Greg Ward (3 seasons on active roster 91 receptions for 792 yards and 10TDs) and Devonta Smith (2 seasons on active roster 178 receptions for 2369 yards and 13TD's)? He’s a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. Guaranteed if most of the replies were agreeing with him, his "analysis” would change very rapidly.
June 26, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Your rebuttal to accusations that you're not much of a judge of NFL level talent is that you don't see any difference between Greg Ward (3 seasons on active roster 91 receptions for 792 yards and 10TDs) and Devonta Smith (2 seasons on active roster 178 receptions for 2369 yards and 13TD's)? When I came here to the DC Metro area I had a chance to watch a lot of the Redskins and Ravens games, the Ravens had Jamal Lewis as their starting RB. Well they'd bring in their fourth string UDFA RB and I'd said this guy is a much better RB than Lewis, that fourth string back was Priest Holmes. Priest Holmes was traded to the Chiefs and here's what followed In his first season with the Chiefs, he exceeded expectations by leading the NFL in rushing with 1,555 yards for the 2001 NFL season, becoming the first undrafted player to do so. (Arian Foster was next to accomplish the feat during the 2010 NFL season.) Despite missing the final two games in the 2002 NFL season because of a hip injury, Holmes rushed for 1,615 yards with 21 touchdowns. In the 2003 NFL season, he broke Marshall Faulk's NFL record for total touchdowns in a season with 27, which was subsequently broken by Shaun Alexander with 28 total touchdowns in 2005 and broken again by LaDainian Tomlinson with 31 total touchdowns in 2006.[13] Holmes and Emmitt Smith are the only two running backs in NFL history to have back to back seasons with 20 or more rushing touchdowns. On a pace to repeat the feat in 2004, he suffered an injury that ended his season with 14 touchdowns. The point I'm making is you'll never know how good Ward is unless he gets the opportunities, the Eagles should have done him a favor like the Ravens did for Holmes.
June 26, 20232 yr 47 minutes ago, EagleVA said: The point I'm making is you'll never know how good Ward is unless he gets the opportunities, the Eagles should have done him a favor like the Ravens did for Holmes. They waived him and signed him to the PS where any team could attempt to sign him at any point ... and you think they could have "traded" him?
June 27, 20232 yr On 6/26/2023 at 5:13 PM, brkmsn said: They waived him and signed him to the PS where any team could attempt to sign him at any point ... and you think they could have "traded" him? Oh yeah, waived/resigned vs traded changes the point I was making.
June 28, 20232 yr 55 minutes ago, EagleVA said: Oh yeah, waived/resigned vs traded changes the point I was making. It does actually since he was free to negotiate and sign with any team the entire time.
June 28, 20232 yr On 6/26/2023 at 9:24 PM, EagleVA said: When I came here to the DC Metro area I had a chance to watch a lot of the Redskins and Ravens games, the Ravens had Jamal Lewis as their starting RB. Well they'd bring in their fourth string UDFA RB and I'd said this guy is a much better RB than Lewis, that fourth string back was Priest Holmes. Priest Holmes was traded to the Chiefs and here's what followed In his first season with the Chiefs, he exceeded expectations by leading the NFL in rushing with 1,555 yards for the 2001 NFL season, becoming the first undrafted player to do so. (Arian Foster was next to accomplish the feat during the 2010 NFL season.) Despite missing the final two games in the 2002 NFL season because of a hip injury, Holmes rushed for 1,615 yards with 21 touchdowns. In the 2003 NFL season, he broke Marshall Faulk's NFL record for total touchdowns in a season with 27, which was subsequently broken by Shaun Alexander with 28 total touchdowns in 2005 and broken again by LaDainian Tomlinson with 31 total touchdowns in 2006.[13] Holmes and Emmitt Smith are the only two running backs in NFL history to have back to back seasons with 20 or more rushing touchdowns. On a pace to repeat the feat in 2004, he suffered an injury that ended his season with 14 touchdowns. The point I'm making is you'll never know how good Ward is unless he gets the opportunities, the Eagles should have done him a favor like the Ravens did for Holmes. In 2020 Greg Ward lined up for more offensive snaps and was targetted more than any other receiver on the roster including the Tight Ends, his competition at Receiver was Reagor, JJAW, Fulgham, the reanimated corpses of Jeffery and DJAX, Quez and Hightower, he put up 419 yards. What chances is it he didn't get?
June 29, 20232 yr On 6/27/2023 at 9:11 PM, brkmsn said: It does actually since he was free to negotiate and sign with any team the entire time. Apparently you missed my point.
June 29, 20232 yr On 6/28/2023 at 6:45 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said: In 2020 ...... Right, that was Carson's last year where he played like a headless chicken due to horrible OL play, great choice.
June 29, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, EagleVA said: Apparently you missed my point. If your point was that it genuinely changed your point, then I guess. I just assumed you were being sarcastic. If you were indeed using sarcasm, then it is you who is missing the point.
June 30, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, brkmsn said: If your point was..... Give me a break, I made made my point clear with "The point I'm making is you'll never know how good Ward is unless he gets the opportunities, the Eagles should have done him a favor like the Ravens did for Holmes."
June 30, 20232 yr 18 minutes ago, EagleVA said: Give me a break, I made made my point clear with "The point I'm making is you'll never know how good Ward is unless he gets the opportunities, the Eagles should have done him a favor like the Ravens did for Holmes." The implication was that if we weren't going to use him, then we should have traded him. The Eagles did more than that. They waived him which enabled him to search out a team that works best for him. They also signed him to the practice squad so he still had employment. While on the practice squad, players may sign with any other team's active roster. So they are basically an employed free agent the entire time. As others pointed out, Ward was given a pretty extended opportunity with the Eagles beginning in late 2019 and all through 2020 where he played nearly 1100 snaps. During that time he proved to be a serviceable slot WR. Last year, Quez was the slot WR. Even after what most people considered a bad year from Quez, he still was a clear improvement over Ward and Ward's production. So what are you really advocating? Are you still trying to suggest Ward is every bit the WR Smith is? Honestly, that was a stupid implication when you suggested it the first time over a year ago. It's even more stupid now that Smith is clearly a top 20 WR in the NFL. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-receiver-rankings/ 12 DeVonta Smith2022 Eagles https://thegameday.com/nfl/power-rankings/wr/ 15. DeVonta Smith, Philadelphia Eagles Smith is fast becoming one of the best route-runners in the NFL, and he mixes that ability in with his skill in contested catches. Despite being on the thinner side, he displays impressive body control and should ascend into the top 10 of wide receivers this season. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2022-wide-receiver-rankings 16. DEVONTA SMITH, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (80.4) Brown's and Hurts' improvement led to Smith bringing his game to a new level in his second season. Passes going his way resulted in a 114.3 passer rating for quarterbacks, which ranked ninth among all wide receivers in 2022. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-wide-receivers-nfl-rankings/ 14) DeVonta Smith, Philadelphia Eagles DeVonta Smith is one of the slightest receivers in the NFL, but the former Crimson Tide pass catcher is much more physical than his frame would suggest. His slim frame also allows him to effortlessly flow through route stems and plant explosively at the top of his routes. He doesn’t have the strength to break tackles after the catch, but his ability to consistently separate makes him a very efficient pass catcher on the outside. That, combined with speed and agility, allows him to complement Brown and provide fantastic value to the Eagles’ offense, giving them a diversity of approaches most offenses can only dream of.
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