Since we have him all riled up......

 

 

@dawkins4prez : Interstellar is an excellent movie.  

13 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Oh hell no!  i'm not gonna go back and do a book report on what who said first or when they switched opinions.  I'll take the L on the hospital, no problemo, because as I said back then it never mattered...there were going to be plenty of hospitals and schools destroyed sooner than later. 

 

Now back to the matter at hand, what's the kill count on children and civilians as it stands right now?  Go ahead, give me your numbers.

I'm not the one making a claim on the death toll, so the burden of proof doesn't land at my feet. I understand where you're coming from though, and the only issue I took with your stance today was that you are once again taking the word of a terrorist organization at face value, and then bashing others by pretending they're unfairly labelng such things as Fake News. Credibility of sources matter, perhaps more than anything else in the fog of war. That doesn't mean the US government will always get it right and Hamas will always lie about such things, but on average, one of them is going to be more trustworthy than the other.

And to be clear, "I don't know how many civilians have died, but it's tragic regardless of whether it's 8k or 18k" is a perfectly valid position in my view.

 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

And to be clear, "I don't know how many civilians have died, but it's tragic regardless of whether it's 8k or 18k" is a perfectly valid position in my view.

Philosophically sure, but we know that there is a threshold driven by numbers where Israel has to pull back.

7 minutes ago, paco said:

Since we have him all riled up......

 

 

@dawkins4prez : Interstellar is an excellent movie.  

I agree that Interstellar belongs in this tragic thread.

1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said:

I agree that Interstellar belongs in this tragic thread.

ok that was pretty funny  

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm not the one making a claim on the death toll, so the burden of proof doesn't land at my feet. I understand where you're coming from though, and the only issue I took with your stance today was that you are once again taking the word of a terrorist organization at face value, and then bashing others by pretending they're unfairly labelng such things as Fake News. Credibility of sources matter, perhaps more than anything else in the fog of war. That doesn't mean the US government will always get it right and Hamas will always lie about such things, but on average, one of them is going to be more trustworthy than the other.

And to be clear, "I don't know how many civilians have died, but it's tragic regardless of whether it's 8k or 18k" is a perfectly valid position in my view.

So the terrorist organization and the civilians that support them that went full American Sniper holding fake babies while completely mic'd up can't be trusted?

7 minutes ago, paco said:

So the terrorist organization and the civilians that support them holding fake babies while completely mic'd up can't be trusted?

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

There is too much of this polarized BS.

Both sides can be wrong, and in this case, both sides can shoulder blame.

Hamas is shite on a stick. Some of the Israeli response is also shite. It is right and good to notice them both.

You both sider you

Hamas needs to be completely destroyed. Stopping now and leaving Hamas in control of Gaza would make all of the deaths both tragic and in vain. Israel can not continue to allow a group dedicated to its eradication to sit on its border and launch attacks. 

Hamas hides among the civilian population and puts their lives at risk. Civilians will die. It is war. We didn't leave Hitler in power because 15,000 German civilians died, and Israel can't leave Hamas in power regardless of collateral damage. Do what you can to minimize the collateral damage, but once you go to war -- finish the job and win.

1 hour ago, paco said:

Since we have him all riled up......

 

I was thinking something like this, with the fact that it's Charlton Heston being a bonus

The anti-semites are coming out of the woodwork,

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Hamas needs to be completely destroyed. Stopping now and leaving Hamas in control of Gaza would make all of the deaths both tragic and in vain. Israel can not continue to allow a group dedicated to its eradication to sit on its border and launch attacks. 

Hamas hides among the civilian population and puts their lives at risk. Civilians will die. It is war. We didn't leave Hitler in power because 15,000 German civilians died, and Israel can't leave Hamas in power regardless of collateral damage. Do what you can to minimize the collateral damage, but once you go to war -- finish the job and win.

Not to mention that if Israel stops now the other terror groups in the region would be emboldened. 

God is Real.

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

God is Real.

 

 

 

46 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

God is Real.

 

 

< @Dave Moss > GENOCIDE!!!!!  </ @Dave Moss >

For those wondering, he's still alive. Currently in critical condition...

https://nypost.com/2023/12/12/news/turkish-lawmaker-has-a-heart-attack-after-saying-israel-will-suffer-the-wrath-of-allah/

Not sure what the dude in this photo is doing though. He must've learned CPR from watching Dumb and Dumber as a kid

This Fing timeline

leave it to @lynched1 to lower the thread's IQ

8 hours ago, Toastrel said:

The anti-semites are coming out of the woodwork,

He’s also the same Polish politician that organized the polish truck drivers to protest at Ukrainian border crossings. 
 

My buddy went back over a few months ago and it took him forever to cross the border. 

1 hour ago, Arthur Jackson said:

leave it to @lynched1 to lower the thread's IQ

That's impossible

7 hours ago, lynched1 said:

That's impossible

Where ever you go, the IQ is lowered. If you walk into an empty room, the IQ drops sharply when you enter.

20 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Oh hell no!  i'm not gonna go back and do a book report on what who said first or when they switched opinions.  I'll take the L on the hospital, no problemo, because as I said back then it never mattered...there were going to be plenty of hospitals and schools destroyed sooner than later. 

 

Now back to the matter at hand, what's the kill count on children and civilians as it stands right now?  Go ahead, give me your numbers.

Its does matter exactly because you were dead wrong. Gobbling down propaganda

so no you dont get to say your point still stands and your opinion is accurate and should be regarded seriously. It can be discarded

15 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

For those wondering, he's still alive. Currently in critical condition...

https://nypost.com/2023/12/12/news/turkish-lawmaker-has-a-heart-attack-after-saying-israel-will-suffer-the-wrath-of-allah/

Not sure what the dude in this photo is doing though. He must've learned CPR from watching Dumb and Dumber as a kid

Thinking he fainted

watch how they revive an mma fighter that was choked out. Get the blood to your head. The big one

Israel Begins Flooding Hamas’ Tunnels in Gaza With Seawater: Report

Israel has started pumping water from the Mediterranean Sea into Hamas’ underground tunnel system in Gaza, The Wall Street Journal reported Monday, citing U.S. officials briefed on the matter. The flooding began sometime last month, according to the Journal. Two U.S. officials confirmed the report to ABC News, but cautioned that only some of the tunnels were being flooded, with the IDF looking to compare the tactic’s effectiveness to other strategies, which have previously included airstrikes and the use of explosives, drones, and robots. Herzi Halevi, the IDF’s chief of staff, said last week that flooding the tunnels was "a good idea, but I won’t comment on its specifics,” according to The Times of Israel. A spokesperson for the Israeli defense minister declined to comment to the Journal on Monday, saying that tunnel operations were classified.