January 22, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Not necessarily When the Allies finally invaded Europe in 1943, they invaded Italy first. Italy was the sacrificial lamb. My grandma fled with my dad and his siblings to their farm in the country side when they got word that the Germans were ransacking the neighboring town. My dad was a baby so his siblings and my grandma had to take turns carrying him.
January 22, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: My grandma fled with my dad and his siblings to their farm in the country side when they got word that the Germans were ransacking the neighboring town. My dad was a baby so his siblings and my grandma had to take turns carrying him. Interesting. Similar history with my Dad and grandparents while in Italy. My dad and uncle were children as well during WWII. Their house was located about 10 miles north of the front between Germany and the Allies. When either side were running bombing raids, the entire family would leave the house and run out into the fields. (Away from structures that could be considered targets). My grandmother would take one child to one area of the farm and my great grandmother would take the other child to another area the farm. They would split the kids up in case one was hit the other could likely survive since they were on another part of the property. Truly mind boggling to think about what they went through and how they survived it.
January 22, 20241 yr My grandfather on my dad's side was part of the invasion of Italy. Lost his best friend there. That's all we knew. He refused to talk about any details to anyone. Great grandmother on my mom's side fled Kristallnacht. Wife's great grandfather was a german grunt. Died and was poor enough/low enough rank that his family never really found out where. Funny how life work out sometimes.
January 22, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Jews still face discrimination in the 21st century which is abhorrent. But that doesn’t give a nation-state like Israel a pass to do whatever it wants. The analogy I keep using is that the U.S. is like a crack dealer and Israel is the crack fiend. Then everybody acts surprised when the crack fiend does bad things. The U.S. response (so far) has been to give the crack fiend more crack. Yes, Jews still face discrimination. News flash: every group faces discrimination. In 21st century America, it is not a social norm in the slightest. Of course, your ilk are doing your damnedest to change that… And, no, the US is not a "crack dealer” and Israel is not a "crack fiend.” Israel is a sovereign nation which lobbies the US for weapons, money and political favors. They make their own decisions.
January 22, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, TEW said: Yes, Jews still face discrimination. News flash: every group faces discrimination. In 21st century America, it is not a social norm in the slightest. Of course, your ilk are doing your damnedest to change that… And, no, the US is not a "crack dealer” and Israel is not a "crack fiend.” Israel is a sovereign nation which lobbies the US for weapons, money and political favors. They make their own decisions. I agree Israel makes their own decisions. So does a crack fiend. My point is the U.S. rewards their bad behavior.
January 22, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I agree Israel makes their own decisions. So does a crack fiend. My point is the U.S. rewards their bad behavior. Yes. Bend over and lube would be much better behavior in your book
January 22, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Yes. Bend over and lube would be much better behavior in your book No doubt they’re in a tricky situation.
January 22, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: I agree Israel makes their own decisions. So does a crack fiend. My point is the U.S. rewards their bad behavior. Of course we do — as I said, Jews became our sacred cow in the postwar era, and Israel is their pasture. On a psychological level, we are not capable as a country of punishing their "bad behavior.” It’s why they can plot false flag attacks against our civilians, attack our naval vessels, spy on us, and give our military secrets to our greatest enemies but nothing is ever done about it. We are psychologically incapable of doing anything about it because of the holocaust, WW2, and the resulting sympathy that came from it. A little money to grease the wheels from AIPAC and they haven’t had to worry about getting their way for nearly 100 years. But that psychological guilt and moral anchor is eroding quickly with time and demographics.
January 23, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, TEW said: Of course we do — as I said, Jews became our sacred cow in the postwar era, and Israel is their pasture. On a psychological level, we are not capable as a country of punishing their "bad behavior.” It’s why they can plot false flag attacks against our civilians, attack our naval vessels, spy on us, and give our military secrets to our greatest enemies but nothing is ever done about it. We are psychologically incapable of doing anything about it because of the holocaust, WW2, and the resulting sympathy that came from it. A little money to grease the wheels from AIPAC and they haven’t had to worry about getting their way for nearly 100 years. But that psychological guilt and moral anchor is eroding quickly with time and demographics. I disagree with your premise. It isn’t solely about the Holocaust. Evangelical Christians are some of the biggest defenders of Israel. That isn’t an accident…
January 24, 20241 yr On 1/21/2024 at 6:04 PM, we_gotta_believe said: My grandma fled with my dad and his siblings to their farm in the country side when they got word that the Germans were ransacking the neighboring town. My dad was a baby so his siblings and my grandma had to take turns carrying him. "My mother was taken from my house by the communists in the middle of the night when I was ten years old. She was sent to a slave labor camp, where she labored for twelve years. Finally, they released her and she was on a boat to America to reunite with us...but she was served some bad fish, and she died on the high seas.”
January 24, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said: "My mother was taken from my house by the communists in the middle of the night when I was ten years old. She was sent to a slave labor camp, where she labored for twelve years. Finally, they released her and she was on a boat to America to reunite with us...but she was served some bad fish, and she died on the high seas.” Seinfeld?
January 26, 20241 yr On 1/22/2024 at 11:24 PM, Dave Moss said: I disagree with your premise. It isn’t solely about the Holocaust. Evangelical Christians are some of the biggest defenders of Israel. That isn’t an accident… Mostly likely because they have a common and willing enemy.
January 26, 20241 yr https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-u-n-court-orders-israel-to-prevent-genocide-in-gaza-but-not-to-stop-fighting/ar-BB1hiLJW?ocid=socialshare&pc=DCTS&cvid=62f2c01f629445eaa92a2c4872056c27&ei=11 n an interim judgment, the United Nations' International Court of Justice on Friday ruled that Israel must take measures to prevent genocide in Gaza, but it stopped short of ordering an immediate cease-fire in Israel's war with Hamas. The ICJ ruled that it has jurisdiction to consider the landmark case brought by South Africa against Israel, and it rejected Israel's request for the case to be dismissed. South Africa alleges that "acts and omissions" committed by Israel as part of its offensive in Gaza "are genocidal in character because they are intended to bring about the destruction of a substantial part of the Palestinian national, racial and ethnical group." The court's president Joan E. Donoghue said Friday in the court at The Hague, Netherlands, that, based on an initial assessment of Israel's actions and remarks from Israeli leaders, it would not accept Israel's request to dismiss the case as there were plausible claims of possible genocidal acts. The ICJ did not order an immediate cease-fire, but it did order Israel to take some provisional measures. First, the court said Israel must "take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of the (Genocide) convention" and "ensure with immediate effect that its military does not commit any acts described" in the above measure. It said Israel must do everything it can to ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of genocide. The court also said Israel must "take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza strip," and "take immediate and effective measures to ensure the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions" facing Palestinians in Gaza. Finally, the court ordered Israel to submit a report to it "on all measures taken to give effect to this order" within a month.
January 26, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Mike030270 said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-u-n-court-orders-israel-to-prevent-genocide-in-gaza-but-not-to-stop-fighting/ar-BB1hiLJW?ocid=socialshare&pc=DCTS&cvid=62f2c01f629445eaa92a2c4872056c27&ei=11 n an interim judgment, the United Nations' International Court of Justice on Friday ruled that Israel must take measures to prevent genocide in Gaza, but it stopped short of ordering an immediate cease-fire in Israel's war with Hamas. The ICJ ruled that it has jurisdiction to consider the landmark case brought by South Africa against Israel, and it rejected Israel's request for the case to be dismissed. South Africa alleges that "acts and omissions" committed by Israel as part of its offensive in Gaza "are genocidal in character because they are intended to bring about the destruction of a substantial part of the Palestinian national, racial and ethnical group." The court's president Joan E. Donoghue said Friday in the court at The Hague, Netherlands, that, based on an initial assessment of Israel's actions and remarks from Israeli leaders, it would not accept Israel's request to dismiss the case as there were plausible claims of possible genocidal acts. The ICJ did not order an immediate cease-fire, but it did order Israel to take some provisional measures. First, the court said Israel must "take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of the (Genocide) convention" and "ensure with immediate effect that its military does not commit any acts described" in the above measure. It said Israel must do everything it can to ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of genocide. The court also said Israel must "take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza strip," and "take immediate and effective measures to ensure the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions" facing Palestinians in Gaza. Finally, the court ordered Israel to submit a report to it "on all measures taken to give effect to this order" within a month. So @Mike030270 - what's your take on UNRWA involvement in the Oct. 7 attacks - you cool with this?
January 28, 20241 yr Looks like things maybe ramping up. I’m sure the US will respond. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13016249/Three-soldiers-killed-jordan-air-strike.html
January 28, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Talkingbirds said: Looks like things maybe ramping up. I’m sure the US will respond. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13016249/Three-soldiers-killed-jordan-air-strike.html We’re at the point where a disproportionate response is needed.
January 28, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Talkingbirds said: Looks like things maybe ramping up. I’m sure the US will respond. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13016249/Three-soldiers-killed-jordan-air-strike.html F*** you Iran.
January 28, 20241 yr On 1/26/2024 at 10:12 AM, Procus said: So @Mike030270 - what's your take on UNRWA involvement in the Oct. 7 attacks - you cool with this? I can't wait to see which part of his response is highlighted in black
January 28, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Talkingbirds said: Looks like things maybe ramping up. I’m sure the US will respond. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13016249/Three-soldiers-killed-jordan-air-strike.html Ya think there are a few Iranian agents in the U.S. who got in through the Southern border?
January 28, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: Ya think there are a few Iranian agents in the U.S. who got in through the Southern border? I actually know for certain there are some that are. I hired a guy to landscape my yard last week and he was wearing WAY too much cologne
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