May 12, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, Gannan said: So for the record, once Israel hits a certain amount, we should cut them off? Do I have that right? Where the hell did I say that? You're putting words in my mouth to try and deflect from the utterly arbitrary Biden has made. You even used Hamas sources for your number of deaths as the reason for this sudden change, then it was because it was a city even though this has mostly been urban warfare. Face it, Biden is clueless and you're following right along
May 12, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: So 300B (adjusted) over 77 years vs. 75B over 2 years And Israel was at war for how many of those years?
May 12, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: So $300 billion vs. $75 billion Get an updated source: https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine Since the war began, the U.S. Congress has voted through five bills that have provided Ukraine with ongoing aid, doing so most recently in April 2024. The total budget authority under these bills—the "headline” figure often cited by news media—is $175 billion.
May 12, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Gannan said: I wonder if WV Mike ever gets tired of continually embarrassing himself? Wrong, propagandist, try again
May 12, 20241 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Where the hell did I say that? You're putting words in my mouth to try and deflect from the utterly arbitrary Biden has made. You even used Hamas sources for your number of deaths as the reason for this sudden change, then it was because it was a city even though this has mostly been urban warfare. Face it, Biden is clueless and you're following right along So we can't give any more aid to Ukraine because we've already given them too much, but there is no limit on how much we can give to Israel? Do I have that right?
May 12, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: So 300B (adjusted) over 77 years vs. 75B over 2 years $175B
May 12, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Get an updated source: https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine Since the war began, the U.S. Congress has voted through five bills that have provided Ukraine with ongoing aid, doing so most recently in April 2024. The total budget authority under these bills—the "headline” figure often cited by news media—is $175 billion. The bill that just passed in April wasn’t just aid to Ukraine.
May 12, 20241 yr Author 6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I think it might be more than 2 years, but I’m not sure. Russia invaded Ukraine 10 years ago though. Ok, so 10
May 12, 20241 yr Author 5 minutes ago, Gannan said: And Israel was at war for how many of those years? Several different wars but the majority of the aid would have been used to build up in order to prevent issues
May 12, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The bill that just passed in April wasn’t just aid to Ukraine. However you want to parce it, we're spending over $50B per year on Ukraine, who has no strategic interest for us other than catching Russian missiles. Versus at most $4B per year on literally our only ally in the entire region. The Israel hate is strong, which I expect from you, but it's particularly pathetic from the born-again Biden fan boys.
May 12, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: However you want to parce it, we're spending over $50B per year on Ukraine, who has no strategic interest for us other than catching Russian missiles. Versus at most $4B per year on literally our only ally in the entire region. The Israel hate is strong, which I expect from you, but it's particularly pathetic from the born-again Biden fan boys. The money going to Ukraine is trying to help them preserve their sovereignty. On the flip side, the money to Israel allows them to expand their settlements into territory that isn’t even theirs to begin with.
May 13, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: That dude really struggles with basic math and counting.
May 13, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Gannan said: I wonder if WV Mike ever gets tired of continually embarrassing himself? @Mike31mt achieving enough self-awareness to become embarrassed is about as likely as the governor of Texas beating a campfire girl in a kickboxing match.
May 13, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: That dude really struggles with basic math and counting. In Mike’s defense the “$175 billion Ukraine deal” is how the media reports it. But then when you read the fine print…
May 13, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: In Mike’s defense the “$175 billion Ukraine deal” is how the media reports it. But then when you read the fine print… And we literally just approved that, with some of it being sent this year, some next year, and the rest in 2026 and beyond.
May 13, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: The money going to Ukraine is trying to help them preserve their sovereignty. That's not an exclusive goal. That's the excuse. 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: On the flip side, the money to Israel allows them to expand their settlements into territory that isn’t even theirs to begin with. Repurposed landfill. Middle East Disney. It's going to be big.
May 13, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: The money going to Ukraine is trying to help them preserve their sovereignty. On the flip side, the money to Israel allows them to expand their settlements into territory that isn’t even theirs to begin with. They didn’t have settlements in Gaza before 10/7. How does defeating Hamas, and likely strengthening the Palestinian Authority, expand settlements in the West Bank?
May 13, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: They didn’t have settlements in Gaza before 10/7. How does defeating Hamas, and likely strengthening the Palestinian Authority, expand settlements in the West Bank? Ottoman. Empire.
May 13, 20241 yr Author 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Not seeing the issue. The sentence highlighted is easy to understand.
May 13, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, Dave Moss said: The money going to Ukraine is trying to help them preserve their sovereignty. On the flip side, the money to Israel allows them to expand their settlements into territory that isn’t even theirs to begin with. For which other countries are we bound to protect their sovereignty at all costs? Is there a list somewhere? Also, lol about Israeli territory. Maybe if Hamas wasn't a terrorist group they'd be able to establish some sort of agreement with Israel. Until then, it's Israel, and Israel will decide what goes on within its borders. We would never allow an entire state to be occupied and run by terrorists who routinely attack the US, but that's what we expect of Israel. I wonder why
May 13, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Mike31mt said: For which other countries are we bound to protect their sovereignty at all costs? Is there a list somewhere?
May 13, 20241 yr https://www.thejewishnews.com/news/un-blames-fog-of-war-for-major-overcounting-of-gazan-child-deaths/article_5e1c3614-1139-11ef-a5f4-fbb240ae3f01.html Whoops, hey what's a 40% over-estimate of civilian casualties among friends, right? Who would have thought that taking numbers at face value from a terrorist organization and running with them blindly would have turned out to result in false information?
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