1 hour ago, Gannan said:

I feel like pointing out how wrong WV Mike consistently is, is kinda of like beating up the retarded kid, but he's just so vastly wrong about GD everything, it just needs to be done. 

Mikes between a rock and a hard place on this one. On one hand, he doesn’t want to admit he supports Russia. On the other hand, he doesn’t want Steve Bannon to call him a simp. 

 

2 hours ago, EagleFan85 said:

 

This is just far right wing propaganda Israel continues to steal land from the Palestinians to this day. It doesn’t condone Hamas targeting civilians but lies like this further inflame the situation. 

14 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

This is just far right wing propaganda Israel continues to steal land from the Palestinians to this day. It doesn’t condone Hamas targeting civilians but lies like this further inflame the situation. 

Terrorists have no legit claim to any land

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Terrorists have no legit claim to any land

What about the people already living there?

51 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

This is just far right wing propaganda Israel continues to steal land from the Palestinians to this day. It doesn’t condone Hamas targeting civilians but lies like this further inflame the situation. 

Its is a simple discussion about the history of the region. Everything is not always about partisanship. Both of these groups of people have historical and family ties to the region. At this point the civilians in Gaza could very easily demand Hamas release the hostages and they could easily condemn the tactics of Hamas. They could also turn Hamas over to the IDF and this would all be over for them. Instead we are seeing them rejoice over the actions of Hamas and cry and complain about the response. Hamas attacked a vastly superior military force and did so in the most inhumane and barbaric way. What exactly did you think was going to happen? Hamas put those people in this situation with piss poor decision making and even worse military thinking.

Hamas is not a resistance group fighting for freedom. They dont care about the civilians in Gaza. If they did they would be working to build a quality state for their people. Instead they have spent 20 years destroying it while forcing the civilians to live under a police state designed though religious fundamentalism. None of this is right wing or left wing. It is what has happened and continues to happen. Hamas has left the people it was elected to govern in the worst possible position again. They have done this over and over again because they are not concerned with the well being of the civilians. They are not a resistance movement or a governing body, they are a terrorist organization funded by Iran.

They are totally not an effective governing body capable of creating, developing, and maintaining any sort of quality of life for civilians. Instead of building a functioning state they have soaked up all the resources to lash out at Israel. They are not seeking peace, they are seeking the destruction Israel and the United States. They want to kill anyone who is not Muslim through religious jihad by default. That most likely includes the vast majority of US. I don''t know about you but I have a hard time supporting a groups cause if part of that cause includes the destruction of our way of life.

 

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

What about the people already living there?

The ones who elected the terrorist?

53 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

This is just far right wing propaganda Israel continues to steal land from the Palestinians to this day. It doesn’t condone Hamas targeting civilians but lies like this further inflame the situation. 

In what drug addled alternate universe is the right anti-Israel?

51 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said:

Its is a simple discussion about the history of the region.

The Ottoman Empire lasted from the 1200s until it was liquidated after World War I.  Then the area was a British and French mandate.  That’s the history of the region from the Middle Ages to 1945…

If you support Hamas today the question you should be asking yourself is this.

Do you support Al Qaeda's attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001?

The reason you should be asking yourself this question is simple.

Hamas and Al Qaeda are fighting the SAME Jihad against the west. Not only are they on the same team they are fundamentally aligned in their creation and mandates. Their stated goal is to destroy the west. Israel is only the first step in that process.

Look who is jumping on board with Hamas.

Russia

North Korea

Iran

Hezbolah

Syira

Jordan

Countless Regional Terrorist cells across the middle east.

All of these places and groups have one major thing in common. That being that they either want to see Western Culture destroyed or dramatically weakened. Its not right wing or left wing to love the way of life I have here and want to see it protected at all costs. Its not right wing or left wing to denounce terrorism. These are not really partisan issues. I would venture to say its not even political really. I have links to ALL of the videos Hamas shot at that music festival. As well as many others from that day. What is in those videos there is no supporting. You cant and an argument cant really be made. There should also be no supporting what Hamas has done to their own people. The situation they have now left them in is horrific and tragic but was fully avoidable.

 

9 hours ago, EagleFan85 said:

China has 2 or 3 active diesel carriers with a bunch of crappy old Jets and a few 5th Gen fighters.

Last I heard their newest and most advanced carrier had a crack develop across the entirety of the deck. It's out of service. They have no nuclear powered carriers which dramatically limits them when compared to ours.

Up until a year of so so, they were still using launch ramps without a catapult. How quaint.

8 hours ago, EagleFan85 said:

They are only called that for propaganda purposes. I would bet China is in a similar boat.

This

4 hours ago, EagleFan85 said:

Its is a simple discussion about the history of the region. Everything is not always about partisanship. Both of these groups of people have historical and family ties to the region. At this point the civilians in Gaza could very easily demand Hamas release the hostages and they could easily condemn the tactics of Hamas. They could also turn Hamas over to the IDF and this would all be over for them. Instead we are seeing them rejoice over the actions of Hamas and cry and complain about the response. Hamas attacked a vastly superior military force and did so in the most inhumane and barbaric way. What exactly did you think was going to happen? Hamas put those people in this situation with piss poor decision making and even worse military thinking.

Hamas is not a resistance group fighting for freedom. They dont care about the civilians in Gaza. If they did they would be working to build a quality state for their people. Instead they have spent 20 years destroying it while forcing the civilians to live under a police state designed though religious fundamentalism. None of this is right wing or left wing. It is what has happened and continues to happen. Hamas has left the people it was elected to govern in the worst possible position again. They have done this over and over again because they are not concerned with the well being of the civilians. They are not a resistance movement or a governing body, they are a terrorist organization funded by Iran.

They are totally not an effective governing body capable of creating, developing, and maintaining any sort of quality of life for civilians. Instead of building a functioning state they have soaked up all the resources to lash out at Israel. They are not seeking peace, they are seeking the destruction Israel and the United States. They want to kill anyone who is not Muslim through religious jihad by default. That most likely includes the vast majority of US. I don''t know about you but I have a hard time supporting a groups cause if part of that cause includes the destruction of our way of life.

 

I don’t know what you are going on about but I’m simply talking about Palestinians being forced out of their homes for the past 70 years. It’s and absolute lie to say Israel has never taken a home or land from Palestinians, FFS they are still doing it today. Housing demolitions have risen drastically since the far right regime of Netanyahu took over. By some accounts, the country was in the verge of civil war before the attacks. Regardless of the prior claims, there were Palestinians living on that land for generations before they were displaced by European Jews. 

Let's start by saying that this entire question has always been very complex and will continue to be so going forward.  Having said that, if we turn it into a binary discussion then it is a no brainer.  One side is led by terrorists and openly discusses eliminating the other side.  The other is seriously flawed but has a far higher level of morality.  No one should get caught up in the false equivalencies that nuts on the left are attempting to argue.  Note: This position in no way shape or form should be confused with being anti-Palestinian people.  They deserve to have a reasonable solution to be put in place and Israel has clearly been an oppressor for a long time.

5 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

I don’t know what you are going on about but I’m simply talking about Palestinians being forced out of their homes for the past 70 years. It’s and absolute lie to say Israel has never taken a home or land from Palestinians, FFS they are still doing it today. Housing demolitions have risen drastically since the far right regime of Netanyahu took over. By some accounts, the country was in the verge of civil war before the attacks. Regardless of the prior claims, there were Palestinians living on that land for generations before they were displaced by European Jews. 

Prior to 1920, the people living in this area had been under someone else’s rule from one conquering empire to another for basically all of history.  Then from 1920 to 1948 it was under British control.

Then in 1948 these people are given the opportunity, for the first time in basically the history of the land, to actually form their own government and live under their own rule.   But rather than take this opportunity, they instead chose to wage war because they didn’t get all of the land (land they’ve never ruled over anyway). 
Now, in an ideal world, after Israel won the war, they would have just kept to their land as agreed to in the 1948 partition plan.  But we don’t live in an ideal world and typically in war, land is taken from the loser.

 

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Let's start by saying that this entire question has always been very complex and will continue to be so going forward.  Having said that, if we turn it into a binary discussion then it is a no brainer.  One side is led by terrorists and openly discusses eliminating the other side.  The other is seriously flawed but has a far higher level of morality.  No one should get caught up in the false equivalencies that nuts on the left are attempting to argue.  Note: This position in no way shape or form should be confused with being anti-Palestinian people.  They deserve to have a reasonable solution to be put in place and Israel has clearly been an oppressor for a long time.

Have a hard time seeing them as oppresor when they are constantly being attacked

9 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

I don’t know what you are going on about but I’m simply talking about Palestinians being forced out of their homes for the past 70 years. It’s and absolute lie to say Israel has never taken a home or land from Palestinians, FFS they are still doing it today. Housing demolitions have risen drastically since the far right regime of Netanyahu took over. By some accounts, the country was in the verge of civil war before the attacks. Regardless of the prior claims, there were Palestinians living on that land for generations before they were displaced by European Jews. 

Irrelevant

there were native americans here before the US existed too. Does that invalidate our current sovereign government?

15 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Have a hard time seeing them as oppresor when they are constantly being attacked

They can be an oppresor and still be oppressed.

21 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

  Right.  Because there's no Pro-Russia/anti-America contingent on the right.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read especially considering lefties loot, pillage, and actually destroy America on the regular 

21 hours ago, Gannan said:

MAGA republicans are definitely collectivists who love them some Putin.

Thats why you always see MAGA flying the sickle and hammer flag....oh wait

 

It really is amazing how TDS can alter peoples reality.  Your brains are all destroyed 

21 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

We literally had a MAGA right winger on here that's entire existence was dedicated to praising Russia and trashing America until he was banned.

Wrong. Abra was anti-Trump.  Any other fantasies you want go try?

21 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

The MAGA right's not Pro-Russia

"If you don't send your entire paycheck to Ukraine, you must support Russia DERP"

Inside the mind of a bootlicking anti-1st amendment Biden voter.  So destroyed by Trump it sends them into a mental breakdown to be confronted with an alternative opinion

 

20 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

But wait...there's more! 

Whatta think @Mike31mt?  Wanna reconsider that there's no pro-Putin faction on the right?

Maybe Obama/Biden shouldnt have been so "flexible" with Putin and literally ignored the fact that Russia was a geopolitical threat.  Oh and allow them to invade Ukraine the first time around.  Oopsie!

19 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

Difference is Democrats will at least acknowledge what's right in front of our faces.  I fully admit there's a faction of the left that sides with Hamas in this fight.  I'm sure in a lot of their minds, they're simply siding with innocent civilians but when they frame Israel as the bad guy here, they're literally siding with terrorists.

A huge contingent of the right has full-on sided with Russia for a year and a half now, all the way from regular nutcases to Congressmen to the freaking Republican Presidential candidate, making excuses for or even praising Russia, as they invade a country and slaughter women and children...and Mike still can't admit to it.  He'll literally read those quotes by right wingers and still pretend they're not Pro-Russia.  Their cult is stronger than reality.

Total baloney. You're trying to convince yourself, no one buys this ish.

18 hours ago, Gannan said:

I feel like pointing out how wrong WV Mike consistently is, is kinda of like beating up the retarded kid, but he's just so vastly wrong about GD everything, it just needs to be done. 

How would you know?  You've never done it.