2 minutes ago, Mat said:

They don't have a ready made replacement sitting there ready to go. Sirianni won't take over play calling duties either

I feel like anyone remotely familiar with the offense could potentially be an upgrade or at least not worse.

Hell, I'll even throw my name in the hat as coordinator. Day one, I rip out the pages that have all the WR and TE screens on them, set them on fire, and then salt the earth where the ashes remain. Instantly upgraded the playbook. 

12 minutes ago, Mat said:

So you think Marcus Mariota, a guy that was benched for Ridder and then proceeded to quit on his team, is going to give you a better chance than your 25 year old franchise QB, MVP runner up and the guy that was favorite for the award 3 weeks ago? The same guy that has played through injury and illness at various stages of the year and lead some huge comeback wins? 

No i don't. we need to take a step back to move a mile forward. This team needs a spark. The spark would be to bench hurts or to get a new coordinator. at this point in the season those are the only options. keeping hurts, keeping BJ and doing the same thing over and over again expecting it to correct itself isn't going to happen at this point in the season. gotta do something more drastic.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Hurts has regressed somewhat yes.  He's also had a knee injury half the year and was so severely ill the last few days he didn't travel with the team and was a game time decision to even play.

Had Mariota played last night and stunk up the field all of you would be wanting Hurts in there.

Siri and BJ are ruining this offense potential.  They have a loaded offensive roster and should be dominating, but their play design, game plan and play calling are holding them back.  They tell Hurts specifically NOT to go through reads to other receivers just force it to Brown, Smitty or Goedert. They don't even have a pass catching TE as a backup, if Goedert is out there is no plan to throw to a TE.  They're calling too many designed QB runs.  

Steichen is sorely missed.

Just out of curiosity, are you on the sideline when they are commanding Hurts to force the ball to a given receiver on a certain play?  Jesus man, do you even hear how stupid that even sounds?  
 

This is just desperate excuse making for Hurts.  Bottom line, he stinks this season.  He doesn’t process a defense quickly, bails out of the pocket too quickly and is forcing a lot of throws down field without taking what the defense gives him too quickly. 
 

You keep throwing up the stat that Aikman floated out last night about his completion percentage from the pocket.  If that’s the case, then Jalen is either dumb or stubborn.  If he is more successful in the pocket, then he should hang in longer and quit bailing so often.  This is seriously stating to sound EXACTLY like Wentz. That was the knock on him too. 

13 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Yeah, I think that kinda sends the opposite message to the team. Benching and publicly humiliating the face of the franchise for a few bad games is far more likely to cause a mutiny than inspire the rest of the team. Hurts is beloved in that locker room. Plus it's not like we have a Bledsoe/Brady situation on the bench. Starting Mariota would be a massive downgrade. 

I agree with getting rid of Brian Johnson. I'd be happy to see him go mid-week. He's been awful. If Desai can get put into the box, I don't see why they shouldn't do that with Johnson as well. Time to officially admit we didn't make the right choices with either of our coordinator openings this offseason. 

As i said i think i'm good with either. There needs to be a spark. I think either one will send a message to the team. I disagree with you that it will cause a mutiny. Hurts has had problems seeing the field. there are wide open receivers out there that he isn't hitting. if you don't live up to the standard and you are the one getting the ball every play, you should be benched. i don't think mariota will be better than hurts in the offense. but its the spark that they need at this point in the season. we can't hope for a slow gradual improvement over time. we have been seeing quite the opposite. 

Just now, Soumak said:

No i don't. we need to take a step back to move a mile forward. This team needs a spark. The spark would be to bench hurts or to get a new coordinator. at this point in the season those are the only options. keeping hurts, keeping BJ and doing the same thing over and over again expecting it to correct itself isn't going to happen at this point in the season. gotta do something more drastic.

Benching Hurts is not a spark, you would need the back up to come in and perform better for that to even be a remote possibility. It is a grenade waiting to blow up in the face of the person that thinks it's a good idea. 

The answer would be for Sirianni to take over play calling duties but that is also not his strength. He did it when he first coached the team and the offense and team functioned better when he handed the duties to the OC

1 minute ago, VeeMak said:

Just out of curiosity, are you on the sideline when they are commanding Hurts to force the ball to a given receiver on a certain play?  Jesus man, do you even hear how stupid that even sounds?  
 

This is just desperate excuse making for Hurts.  Bottom line, he stinks this season.  He doesn’t process a defense quickly, bails out of the pocket too quickly and is forcing a lot of throws down field without taking what the defense gives him too quickly. 
 

You keep throwing up the stat that Aikman floated out last night about his completion percentage from the pocket.  If that’s the case, then Jalen is either dumb or stubborn.  If he is more successful in the pocket, then he should hang in longer and quit bailing so often.  This is seriously stating to sound EXACTLY like Wentz. That was the knock on him too. 

it's Buddy Ball. johnson, hurts, and brown. 

12 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Hurts has regressed somewhat yes.  He's also had a knee injury half the year and was so severely ill the last few days he didn't travel with the team and was a game time decision to even play.

Had Mariota played last night and stunk up the field all of you would be wanting Hurts in there.

Siri and BJ are ruining this offense potential.  They have a loaded offensive roster and should be dominating, but their play design, game plan and play calling are holding them back.  They tell Hurts specifically NOT to go through reads to other receivers just force it to Brown, Smitty or Goedert. They don't even have a pass catching TE as a backup, if Goedert is out there is no plan to throw to a TE.  They're calling too many designed QB runs.  

Steichen is sorely missed.

i would love to know how you know they don't tell hurts not to throw to receivers that are wide open and only throw to those 3.

1 minute ago, Mat said:

Benching Hurts is not a spark, you would need the back up to come in and perform better for that to even be a remote possibility. It is a grenade waiting to blow up in the face of the person that thinks it's a good idea. 

The answer would be for Sirianni to take over play calling duties but that is also not his strength. He did it when he first coached the team and the offense and team functioned better when he handed the duties to the OC

You think having Sirianni take over play calling is the spark this offense needs? Did you see what happened when he was play caller that first year? It was terrible. thats why he gave it up to Shane. 

Why would benching Hurts not be the spark when benching McNabb was a spark for that team? Whats the difference there?

2 minutes ago, Soumak said:

As i said i think i'm good with either. There needs to be a spark. I think either one will send a message to the team. I disagree with you that it will cause a mutiny. 

Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree there. Jalen is very popular in the locker room, benching him would cause issues. But it's a hypothetical that has literally a 0.0% chance of happening anyway, so I guess we'll never truly know. 

7 minutes ago, Soumak said:

You think having Sirianni take over play calling is the spark this offense needs? Did you see what happened when he was play caller that first year? It was terrible. thats why he gave it up to Shane. 

Why would benching Hurts not be the spark when benching McNabb was a spark for that team? Whats the difference there?

1. They aren't benching their franchise QB, this is ridiculous to even suggest

2. They aren't going to fire the OC without a replacement on staff

3  Offensive HC's take over play calling duties to create a 'spark' if they are struggling 

4. Sirianni isn't taking over play calling duties anyway for the reasons I already listed 

They're likely going to ride it out the rest of the season and then make a move. The only thing they might possibly do is bring in an 'offensive advisor' like Doug did with MM or they did with Fangio last year before the SB. The guy that makes the most sense is Reich with his relationship with Sirianni but I don't know if they even can this season 

If you're also referring to 2008 with McNabb, that was for a half and a completely different situation. Kolb was the 'future' and McNabb had been declining since his injury. He also had a worse performance than any Hurts has had against the Ravens. Apples and Oranges. 

I don’t understand why Hurts leaves the pocket before he is even pressured. 

5 minutes ago, Mat said:

1. They aren't benching their franchise QB, this is ridiculous to even suggest

2. They aren't going to fire the OC without a replacement on staff

3  Offensive HC's take over play calling duties to create a 'spark' if they are struggling 

4. Sirianni isn't taking over play calling duties anyway for the reasons I already listed 

They're likely going to ride it out the rest of the season and then make a move. The only thing they might possibly do is bring in an 'offensive advisor' like Doug did with MM or they did with Fangio last year before the SB. The guy that makes the most sense is Reich with his relationship with Sirianni but I don't know if they even can this season 

If you're also referring to 2008 with McNabb, that was for a half and a completely different situation. Kolb was the 'future' and McNabb had been declining since his injury. He also had a worse performance than any Hurts has had against the Ravens. Apples and Oranges. 

McNabb was a franchise QB that got benched in the past. why is this so ridiculous to suggest? He was not benched for Kolb. go look at that up. 2008 mcnabb was still a very good QB. thats only 10 yrs into the league. He was turning the ball over left and right similar to what hurts has been doing.

They can have someone come in like frank to take over OC right now. 

the HC sucked at play calling last year..why would it be differnt this year?

I think they need a spark now to see if there is ANYTHING that can be done to salvage the season and propel them into the playoffs and beyond. 

I'm not giving up on Hurts when the problem starts with coaching. BJ is clearly in over his head and wasn't ready to be the OC. 3 games left in the season he they still haven't figured it out. 

2 minutes ago, Soumak said:

McNabb was a franchise QB that got benched in the past. why is this so ridiculous to suggest? He was not benched for Kolb. go look at that up. 2008 mcnabb was still a very good QB. thats only 10 yrs into the league. He was turning the ball over left and right similar to what hurts has been doing.

They can have someone come in like frank to take over OC right now. 

the HC sucked at play calling last year..why would it be differnt this year?

I think they need a spark now to see if there is ANYTHING that can be done to salvage the season and propel them into the playoffs and beyond. 

Umm, yes he was. That Ravens game he was 8-18 for 59 yards and 2 INT's. Kolb replaced him and was also awful throwing 2 picks himself. Hurts didn't have 59 yards and 2 interceptions with his replacement sitting on the bench. If you're even going to argue this stupidity at least have your facts right 

They aren't going to bring someone that's not even on the staff in to call plays when they don't even know the playbook

He didn't call plays last year, he did it in his first season and I've said 3 times now I doubt he takes over due to not being able to focus on the other things and how he struggled with it in year one.

4 minutes ago, Mat said:

Umm, yes he was. That Ravens game he was 8-18 for 59 yards and 2 INT's. Kolb replaced him and was also awful throwing 2 picks himself. Hurts didn't have 59 yards and 2 interceptions with his replacement sitting on the bench. If you're even going to argue this stupidity at least have your facts right 

They aren't going to bring someone that's not even on the staff in to call plays when they don't even know the playbook

He didn't call plays last year, he did it in his first season and I've said 3 times now I doubt he takes over due to not being able to focus on the other things and how he struggled with it in year one.

You want facts? here you go:

This is mcnabb in 2008

This is Jaylen 2023.

 

so to say that mcnabb was not the franchise qb and he was behind for the "future" is pretty dumb. get your facts straight. Jaylen already has more int than mcnabb had that season and less TDs.

 

so to me if you can't find a new OC right now, the other other option to spark the team is to bench hurts for a game or 2. so that perhaps the last game of the season and the playoffs he comes out on fire. 

 

agree he didn't call play last season. i meant the first year so i was incorrect in writing last year.

 

How many year does he have guaranteed money? Whats the soonest they can really consider letting him go?

1 minute ago, xxeaglesfanxx said:

How many year does he have guaranteed money? Whats the soonest they can really consider letting him go?

Stuck for at least 3 more seasons realistically 

Just now, Iggles25 said:

Stuck for at least 3 more seasons realistically 

Ugh… I’ve wanted to like the guy and give him a chance since day 1. I was hesitant to sign him to a huge deal after 1 good year and shockingly enough it’s looking like they should have waited.

34 minutes ago, Soumak said:

You want facts? here you go:

This is mcnabb in 2008

This is Jaylen 2023.

 

so to say that mcnabb was not the franchise qb and he was behind for the "future" is pretty dumb. get your facts straight. Jaylen already has more int than mcnabb had that season and less TDs.

 

so to me if you can't find a new OC right now, the other other option to spark the team is to bench hurts for a game or 2. so that perhaps the last game of the season and the playoffs he comes out on fire. 

 

agree he didn't call play last season. i meant the first year so i was incorrect in writing last year.

 

I think that the "get your facts straight" line right before misspelling Hurts' name is a nice touch. 

He's right, though, benching McNabb for Kolb is completely different than benching Hurts for Mariota. Kolb was the heir apparent to McNabb. They used a high pick on him and McNabb was clearly on the downside of his career. If Kolb hadn't been horrible in McNabb's place, he would have no doubt taken the job for the rest of the season. Hurts is much younger and has already had way more success than Mariota. They sure as hell aren't grooming him to eventually take Hurts' job. Entirely different scenarios. 

Yeah, if we aren't careful, this fanbase is going to invoke Ron Rivera as offensive coordinator 

1 hour ago, Soumak said:

i would love to know how you know they don't tell hurts not to throw to receivers that are wide open and only throw to those 3.

Siri's literally said this in several press conferences. 

1 hour ago, VeeMak said:

Just out of curiosity, are you on the sideline when they are commanding Hurts to force the ball to a given receiver on a certain play?  Jesus man, do you even hear how stupid that even sounds?  
 

This is just desperate excuse making for Hurts.  Bottom line, he stinks this season.  He doesn’t process a defense quickly, bails out of the pocket too quickly and is forcing a lot of throws down field without taking what the defense gives him too quickly. 
 

You keep throwing up the stat that Aikman floated out last night about his completion percentage from the pocket.  If that’s the case, then Jalen is either dumb or stubborn.  If he is more successful in the pocket, then he should hang in longer and quit bailing so often.  This is seriously stating to sound EXACTLY like Wentz. That was the knock on him too. 

 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Siri's literally said this in several press conferences. 

And that's bad coaching.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

I feel like anyone remotely familiar with the offense could potentially be an upgrade or at least not worse.

Hell, I'll even throw my name in the hat as coordinator. Day one, I rip out the pages that have all the WR and TE screens on them, set them on fire, and then salt the earth where the ashes remain. Instantly upgraded the playbook. 

So what you’re saying, is you don’t wish to throw to Quez 4 yards behind the LOS on 3rd and 12??

1 hour ago, Soumak said:

i would love to know how you know they don't tell hurts not to throw to receivers that are wide open and only throw to those 3.

Sirianni did kind of say that the offense goes through those three and when he was asked about the other players his response verbatim was : "What other players?"