September 30, 20241 yr Championship QBs raise others around them and that's not what we are seeing. He is hoisting up bad passes to make splash plays and passing up what the defense is giving him. It feels like hero ball, but other teams have identified his weaknesses and are exploiting them. We are in deep with him, so I hope someone can get into his head while also building an offense that he can run.
September 30, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, MF POON said: Yeah, and when you aren't getting sacked 6 times and hurried often, you have time to throw to those other guys. Seriously though, if it was that easy to come in and replace AJ and Smith's production, then do we even need those guys? Just let them go and spend the money elsewhere then with that logic, lol. He needed to get the ball out quicker. He was so slow with his release. He knew the blitz was coming and still waited. If no ones open (there were players open) then you scheme short passes for the blitz. He can also throw the ball and let players make a play. 1 minute ago, kiwinavega said: To be fair, it´s a huge drop from Smitty and Brown, and even Britain Covey, to Johnny Wilson. I do agree Jalen as a part of the problem, but he isn´t the only problem. Tampa yesterday knew they just had to stack the box and our offense would be in big trouble. And the defense was trash yesterday (though in part because they were on the field so much early, in horrible conditions) He still had Goedert, Dotson, and Barkley to throw to. Plus others
September 30, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: He needed to get the ball out quicker. He was so slow with his release. He knew the blitz was coming and still waited. If no ones open (there were players open) then you scheme short passes for the blitz. He can also throw the ball and let players make a play. He still had Goedert, Dotson, and Barkley to throw to. Plus others Yeah, which is on the coaches. If you know he has no time to go through his options, then dink and dunk it, so why didn't Moore do more of that? It's not like they didn't do it, but they also shouldn't have to worry about needing to score every drive because the defense is just going to give up points whenever they're on the field. And like I said, Dotson isn't AJ or Smith. Those guys aren't easy to replace. "plus others" just explains how irrelevant those receivers are because you don't even bother naming them, lol.
September 30, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said: Championship QBs raise others around them and that's not what we are seeing. He is hoisting up bad passes to make splash plays and passing up what the defense is giving him. It feels like hero ball, but other teams have identified his weaknesses and are exploiting them. We are in deep with him, so I hope someone can get into his head while also building an offense that he can run. Well, besides Brady and Mahomes, who are you using as examples? If it were that easy to do, every NFL team would have elite QB's. Also, I've seen a number of games where Mahomes turns it over and has a bad game, yet gets the win because KC's defense stepped up. We needed the defense to step it up like last week and they folded.
September 30, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, MF POON said: Yeah, which is on the coaches. If you know he has no time to go through his options, then dink and dunk it, so why didn't Moore do more of that? It's not like they didn't do it, but they also shouldn't have to worry about needing to score every drive because the defense is just going to give up points whenever they're on the field. And like I said, Dotson isn't AJ or Smith. Those guys aren't easy to replace. "plus others" just explains how irrelevant those receivers are because you don't even bother naming them, lol. He's in year 5 now. He's not a rookie anymore and he's been given the ability to audible
September 30, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: He's in year 5 now. He's not a rookie anymore and he's been given the ability to audible Are the audibles going to somehow give the defense the ability to make tackles?
September 30, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, MF POON said: Are the audibles going to somehow give the defense the ability to make tackles? Well I'm talking about Hurts. Not the defense...
September 30, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, MF POON said: Are the audibles going to somehow give the defense the ability to make tackles? Are you being intentionally obtuse for the sake of it or what? We're all in agreement the defense is also a major issue. Especially yesterday. Hurts is also bad and hasn't come close to '22 the bulk of his career. Both of these can be true. The guy has almost 30 turnovers in his last 20+ games. The bulk of us would've accepted a loss yesterday, given the circumstances, if he at least looked competent. Half of his passes weren't in the same zip code, he missed a walk in TD for Barkley, he stupidly fumbled twice and is pretty lucky he didn't have a pick 6 on top of it. No one expects him to throw for 450 and 4 TDs with the three most important players on offense out, but it's very reasonable to ask that he looks like he belongs as a starting QB in the league. He's Carson Wentz with more talent around him and like Wentz, he needs to go.
September 30, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, MF POON said: Well, besides Brady and Mahomes, who are you using as examples? If it were that easy to do, every NFL team would have elite QB's. Also, I've seen a number of games where Mahomes turns it over and has a bad game, yet gets the win because KC's defense stepped up. We needed the defense to step it up like last week and they folded. The defense was definitely needed yesterday, but the point remains...he doesn't need to make things harder than necessary. If he takes what the defense gives him and sustains drives, the defensive issues don't seem as bad. A few less 3 and outs and the defense may not have been gassed (and gashed). They needed less time on the field, not more.
September 30, 20241 yr 44 minutes ago, Shalodeep said: There isn't replacing aj or Smith, but most qbs in the league have neither of those guys...and Jalen has both plus Dallas, Barkley, and a really solid to great oline. Sometimes it's on the qb to execute the gameplan, not rely on the talent to bail him out of his poor execution of the gameplan. 🤯 This gameplan you speak of...tell me more
September 30, 20241 yr Just now, NJWolverEagle11 said: This gameplan you speak of...tell me more 🤯 What game plan? Second set of Eagles coordinators that Todd Bowles Coach of TB has beaten. The offense was a chicken sheet, short distance, college run option bs nothing burger. Is that all we got? Hurts was full of incompletes, sacks, and fumbles. Don't think he can handle the blitz for anything.
September 30, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said: 🤯 This gameplan you speak of...tell me more You're right. For years Jalen has just been dragging coaches across the finish line like the superhero you think he is lol that Brian Johnson guy knows nothing about what to do with mobile qbs...wonder what he's doing with his life right now
September 30, 20241 yr Hurts has ALWAYS been a sub par QB. The Eagles hype machine built an image people worshipped, while a LOT of us saw right through it. The man behind the curtain is NOT a good starting QB. They replaced Carson Wentz with a black Carson Wentz- big deal- BOTH play hero ball that fails to reveal the hero. 5 years in, and Hurts makes the same mistakes, over and over and over. When you do the same thing that fails over and over and over, and expect different results- YOU ARE INSANE. He will never change- what you see is what Hurts IS- a sub par NFL QB who can't lead the Philadelphia Eagles into battle. Get rid of this robot- we have seen enough. He is a loser, not a winner.
September 30, 20241 yr 57 minutes ago, CouchKing said: What game plan? Second set of Eagles coordinators that Todd Bowles Coach of TB has beaten. The offense was a chicken sheet, short distance, college run option bs nothing burger. Is that all we got? Hurts was full of incompletes, sacks, and fumbles. Don't think he can handle the blitz for anything. 26 minutes ago, Shalodeep said: You're right. For years Jalen has just been dragging coaches across the finish line like the superhero you think he is lol that Brian Johnson guy knows nothing about what to do with mobile qbs...wonder what he's doing with his life right now Sarcasm fail lol but yea I'm out on him now too. Hated the draft pick when it happened. Considered him a "working man's Tebow" (apologies to working men 😂) 2022 had me believing but still wasn't on board w the huge contract being he was only good for 1 year. Flukes happen in this league and we're seeing one case repeat itself. We're seeing the same mistakes of last year when he had whatever injury except worse. I now see him (once again) as the kid Saban benched. My new name for him is Jameis Hurts
September 30, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Talonblood said: Hurts has ALWAYS been a sub par QB. The Eagles hype machine built an image people worshipped, while a LOT of us saw right through it. The man behind the curtain is NOT a good starting QB. They replaced Carson Wentz with a black Carson Wentz- big deal- BOTH play hero ball that fails to reveal the hero. 5 years in, and Hurts makes the same mistakes, over and over and over. When you do the same thing that fails over and over and over, and expect different results- YOU ARE INSANE. He will never change- what you see is what Hurts IS- a sub par NFL QB who can't lead the Philadelphia Eagles into battle. Get rid of this robot- we have seen enough. He is a loser, not a winner. Hard to disagree
September 30, 20241 yr At this point I find it very hard to defend what I see out of Jalen. I get he didn’t have his guys, but this game exposed Jalen. Todd Bowles keeps exposing Jalen and it’s not like he’s a super elite head coach. How many different coordinators have the Eagles had now, but the offense keeps looking the same? How many times have games come down to the final two minutes making these games almost a toss up? Why can’t this team ever blow anyone out? I could deal with Jalen being the quarterback if he’s protecting the football, but right now he’s a turnover machine. He should’ve been benched this last game. This guy all season has been killing drives with bad turnovers. Last year he did the same. Frankly I’m not worried about the big contract, because Wentz had a big contract too and they moved on from him. Heck try one of these retread former first round picks if you have to like Mayfield. Get a real head coach in here that understands football and not some WR coach that’s here because he’s a good yes-man though.
September 30, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, NJWolverEagle11 said: Sarcasm fail lol but yea I'm out on him now too. Hated the draft pick when it happened. Considered him a "working man's Tebow" (apologies to working men 😂) 2022 had me believing but still wasn't on board w the huge contract being he was only good for 1 year. Flukes happen in this league and we're seeing one case repeat itself. We're seeing the same mistakes of last year when he had whatever injury except worse. I now see him (once again) as the kid Saban benched. My new name for him is Jameis Hurts My bad lol what's wild is i have been supporting him when I was far from a supporter from the beginning. I had him ranked between 8-12th in the league, which is respectable and can get you a ring no problem. I want to continue to support him BECAUSE he is an eagle, but I'm an eagles fan first and I can't ignore the regression. Trying to get that third progression in is taking almost a full second of processing which is all a dlinemen needs to strip sack him a game. He's on pace for like 34 turnovers to 17tds right now. Without the addition of Barkley, we are probably 0-4... Hurts is meant to be the rallying point, but I'm sure he is the 5th or 6th best player in the huddle...and I think that's being kind
September 30, 20241 yr 46 minutes ago, Talonblood said: Hurts has ALWAYS been a sub par QB. The Eagles hype machine built an image people worshipped, while a LOT of us saw right through it. The man behind the curtain is NOT a good starting QB. They replaced Carson Wentz with a black Carson Wentz- big deal- BOTH play hero ball that fails to reveal the hero. 5 years in, and Hurts makes the same mistakes, over and over and over. When you do the same thing that fails over and over and over, and expect different results- YOU ARE INSANE. He will never change- what you see is what Hurts IS- a sub par NFL QB who can't lead the Philadelphia Eagles into battle. Get rid of this robot- we have seen enough. He is a loser, not a winner. hE sQuAtS sIx HuNdReD pOuNdZzZz!!!!
September 30, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Swoop said: Are you being intentionally obtuse for the sake of it or what? We're all in agreement the defense is also a major issue. Especially yesterday. Hurts is also bad and hasn't come close to '22 the bulk of his career. Both of these can be true. The guy has almost 30 turnovers in his last 20+ games. The bulk of us would've accepted a loss yesterday, given the circumstances, if he at least looked competent. Half of his passes weren't in the same zip code, he missed a walk in TD for Barkley, he stupidly fumbled twice and is pretty lucky he didn't have a pick 6 on top of it. No one expects him to throw for 450 and 4 TDs with the three most important players on offense out, but it's very reasonable to ask that he looks like he belongs as a starting QB in the league. He's Carson Wentz with more talent around him and like Wentz, he needs to go. I can't even disagree with any of this. Its extremely difficult to even defend Jalen at this point. I actually cringe these days when the ball is in his hands....I dont remember the last time I was leery of our QB like this.....
September 30, 20241 yr He just hasn't developed like I had expected. That's my biggest disappointment and frustration. It's clear he needs to be surrounded with as much talent as possible to win games. He's not talented enough to make up for any shortcomings the team may experience. A really good QB can make backup players look like starters and sustain drives when the defense is flailing. He's just not that guy and it appears he won't be. I also don't believe he's a liability either, though the turnovers have been concerning. At the end of the day I think it's fair to say he's an OK QB and it's unlikely he will ever develop into a great one.
September 30, 20241 yr He's not done but he has plateaued at the moment. Need to see the ball come out quicker and also get everyone involved. Saquon is here so Hurts does not have to be Superman. Just a good game manager. He should be able to make the transition you would think.
September 30, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Miami said: He's not done but he has plateaued at the moment. Need to see the ball come out quicker and also get everyone involved. Saquon is here so Hurts does not have to be Superman. Just a good game manager. He should be able to make the transition you would think. That's true, but I think he misses the leadership and intelligence of Jason Kelce. He picked up new responsibilities and hasn't mastered his QB skills.
September 30, 20241 yr We are doomed with Hurts. He can't read, make quick decisions, or move in the pocket. Its first read, then bail and hope someone runs open. I will always appreciate what Hurts did in 22, it was gimmicky but man did it work and he was FAST back then. I really like him as a person but unfortunately this is a mans game with business decisions and he will always be a gimmick. 2 years from now some elite QB talent will be coming up it'll be interesting to see what happens.
October 1, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, MF POON said: Well, besides Brady and Mahomes, who are you using as examples? If it were that easy to do, every NFL team would have elite QB's. Also, I've seen a number of games where Mahomes turns it over and has a bad game, yet gets the win because KC's defense stepped up. We needed the defense to step it up like last week and they folded. Well Peyton Manning for one, but to expand on the premise. It’s not just a QB. Every successful team has at least that 1 individual that lifts the others. A person someone wants to follow. Be it a defensive player, Ray Lewis or Lawrence Taylor, or a coach like Bill Parcells etc…this team has none of those and it seems like we don’t have anyone that even wants to attempt to be that person.
October 1, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said: That's true, but I think he misses the leadership and intelligence of Jason Kelce. He picked up new responsibilities and hasn't mastered his QB skills. 2 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said: $255 million and hasn’t "mastered” his QB skills???? What would he have gotten if he did? $400 Million?
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