10 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Yeah, but he’s still making the same mistakes over and over. The stats don’t show his indecisiveness and him holding the ball too long. He was sacked 5 times in the 1st half. Most of those sacks were his fault. 

This one I agree with, dude really needs to learn to just throw it away when nothing is there.  

Early on he looked terrible. Was it that ridiculous sun in Jerruh World?

Then he bounced back and played great. But it's not the first game where he's taken sacks and was hesitant in the pass rush. 

Yesterday there was one particular sack where he started to run to his left and had he kept going he could have gained 10+ yards no one was there. Instead he juked back the other way and got sacked. Then later in the game he did Houdini escapes and jukes and made plays. He's inconsistent with it.

What matters is ending games well. If they win and he is able to shake off mistakes then that's what counts. 

11 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Early on he looked terrible. Was it that ridiculous sun in Jerruh World?

Then he bounced back and played great. But it's not the first game where he's taken sacks and was hesitant in the pass rush. 

Yesterday there was one particular sack where he started to run to his left and had he kept going he could have gained 10+ yards no one was there. Instead he juked back the other way and got sacked. Then later in the game he did Houdini escapes and jukes and made plays. He's inconsistent with it.

What matters is ending games well. If they win and he is able to shake off mistakes then that's what counts. 

The Eagles have seemingly been making the most of halftime this season and usually have made decent adjustments. 

I know people might disagree, but I kind of felt like after the Hurts INT, he was taking the bad sacks because he didn't want to take more risks and deal with the voices after the game. I'm glad he got his head on right in the 2nd half, though. I'd rather see players play with confidence than be afraid of what the fans and media say after the game. 

29 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Early on he looked terrible. Was it that ridiculous sun in Jerruh World?

Then he bounced back and played great. But it's not the first game where he's taken sacks and was hesitant in the pass rush. 

Yesterday there was one particular sack where he started to run to his left and had he kept going he could have gained 10+ yards no one was there. Instead he juked back the other way and got sacked. Then later in the game he did Houdini escapes and jukes and made plays. He's inconsistent with it.

What matters is ending games well. If they win and he is able to shake off mistakes then that's what counts. 

The sun likely made an impact but he's been holding the ball for a long time all season

5 hours ago, Eagles_ftw said:

This one I agree with, dude really needs to learn to just throw it away when nothing is there.  

Yes. But is there really nothing there? Seems like alot of times there is something there he just doesn't make the read.

20 minutes ago, Swimm said:

Yes. But is there really nothing there? Seems like alot of times there is something there he just doesn't make the read.

Yeah ... we'd all like to see more of this. It is a good sign. 

He adjusted in the second half and threw away when he had to. That’s a very important thing for me. You want a player that can adjust. He doesn’t always do that but he did yesterday. 

I think at this point we can see that Hurts will have his ups and downs, he's going to have some plays or series that will be frustrating and then bounce back with amazing plays. I think when you watch other QBs around the league they also have their ups and downs. What matters is recovering, moving on and winning.

What I like about Hurts is that he doesn't let mistakes shake his confidence. He will move on from it and refocus. He doesn't fall apart at the end of games, he has led game-winning drives and has some really impressive throws and big plays. Yes, it's very frustrating when he takes a sack or misses an open receiver, or bails the pocket too early. I think we have to just take the bad with the good (cue the Facts of Life song).

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

I think at this point we can see that Hurts will have his ups and downs, he's going to have some plays or series that will be frustrating and then bounce back with amazing plays. I think when you watch other QBs around the league they also have their ups and downs. What matters is recovering, moving on and winning.

 

I heard a point the other day (can’t recall what Eagles podcast it was on) but I did think it was a really good point. 

In the NFL there’s maybe 2-3 QBs who are top top tier. QBs who you know a team can win because of them not just with them. You’d build your franchise around them knowing they can elevate their team mates.

Then there’s the next tier down and Hurts sits in that tier. And within that tier he can be top or he can be bottom. We can win because of him, we can win with him but we can also lose because of him. And at this point we just kind of have to accept that and hope in the playoffs we can win because of him or with him.

28 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I heard a point the other day (can’t recall what Eagles podcast it was on) but I did think it was a really good point. 

In the NFL there’s maybe 2-3 QBs who are top top tier. QBs who you know a team can win because of them not just with them. You’d build your franchise around them knowing they can elevate their team mates.

Then there’s the next tier down and Hurts sits in that tier. And within that tier he can be top or he can be bottom. We can win because of him, we can win with him but we can also lose because of him. And at this point we just kind of have to accept that and hope in the playoffs we can win because of him or with him.

Hmm - I agree with this to an extent, but I think ultimately Hurts is a top 10 QB and we are lucky to have him.

i think in most games he is more a help than a hindrance with both his arm and his legs, despite the occasional rough patch.

He had some dreadful games this year, but then bounced back. The whole team did. Even Nick has been better. It was against some bad teams, but at least they won convincingly and proved they could dominate some games. Now comes a tough stretch (the real test as they say).

Hurts is just a flat out winner. The point a couple of you made above about him moving on from poor plays is fundamental to this, and it´s something that both Hurts and Sirianni spoke about in their press conferences after the Dallas game. 

In some ways I think expectations for Hurts can get unrealistic because he is so unbelievably good at times that we demand the impossible (or at least the improbabe) because we have seen it from him before.

I´ll admit I am a homer, and find it difficult to take off the green tinted specs at times, but I think he is a special player. He doesn´t have the extreme physical gifts of a Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson type but he always looks to get better and makes the most of what he does have. He´s also very good at building relationships with his core receivers (if only McNabb had that ability!). He´s comfortably top ten in the league, and probably just on the edge of the top five.

18 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hmm - I agree with this to an extent, but I think ultimately Hurts is a top 10 QB and we are lucky to have him.

i think in most games he is more a help than a hindrance with both his arm and his legs, despite the occasional rough patch.

I think he’s right around the top 10 yeah and I’m not trying to suggest he’s not.

I’m saying if the top 4 is Mahomes, Allen, Jackson and Burrow (in whatever order) then there’s a tier below those. In that group I’d put Goff, Stroud, Love, Stafford, Daniels (1 year I know), Herbert (based on talent and what he’s actually doing this year) and maybe Mayfield. And Hurts is right in that group I think. And I think he’s mostly better than Mayfield and Herbert so yeah he’s top 10.

Mahomes is top 5 or #1 obviously, but Allen, Jackson, Burrow and Hurts are all having better seasons statistically. 

I think Allen and Hurts are pretty on par, so Hurts is top 5 imo.  Allen throws for more TDs, but that's because he doesn't tush push for as many TDs as Hurts.  They both can have stretches where they turn it over, but I feel that Allen plays more hero ball and is worse with the # of INTs he throws.  Lamar is always doing great things in the regular season, but in the playoffs he always wants to get away from what got him an MVP.  With that said, Jackson and Burrow are top 5, if they're placed above Hurts I'm OK with that.

Hurts is over Goff, Stroud, Love, Daniels, Herbert, Mayfield, and Stafford. The only one that's even really debatable is Goff, as the others are pretty easy arguments in Hurts favor.   We're 5 seasons in with Herbert and still ranking him based on his talent/potential, instead of what he's actually done in 5 seasons.  Mayfield is a solid QB, nothing more/less. Stafford is honestly washed. Daniels is playing great ball, but he's 1 of a number of rookies that have come in and played lights out - who knows how he'll actually pan out tho.  Stroud is a good QB, but he's not having as good of a season as he did his rookie year (again, another reason not to crown people early). 

 

It doesn't really matter to me where people want to rank Jalen. There are quite a few starting QBs in the NFL that are franchise-worthy. Hurts is one of them. Guys like Burrow may be more appealing from a pure passing standpoint, but there's more than one way to QB in the NFL. These "rankings" are based on personal preferences. Burrow isn't an Eagle and he wont be. Maybe when he's 39 years old and bouncing around from team to team, the Eagles will give him a 1-year deal, but until that day, he will not be an Eagle. So drooling over him is pointless. Even if 10 other teams have better QBs, it doesn't mean he's not a good QB. It just means, like I said earlier, there are quite a few QBs you can build around. So far, this team has had no problem getting NFL stars to want to come play here. Smith and Brown both signed extensions to stay here with Hurts even after last season's disappointing end. Barkley seems pretty happy. Jalen was voted #15 on the players' top 100 list after last season and #13 the year before. He is respected a lot more by actual NFL players than by Eagles fans. That says something to me. 

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Smith and Brown both signed extensions to stay here with Hurts even after last season's disappointing en

Same can said about Sirriani... Im not as big on him as i was but, all these guys signed extensions here after that sheet show last year. So just maybe fans dont know what goes on in the locker room and obviously this team still believes in hurts and Sirriani to want to stay here despite what we think of them. 

I mean to be fair there aren’t many QBs in the league I would take over Hurts. Mahomes, Burrow and Allen yes. Jackson probably, although his playoff record is pretty bad. 
Herbert maybe - feel he is better than his numbers show and has had issues with the talent around him. But of the others - give me Hurts.

3 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I mean to be fair there aren’t many QBs in the league I would take over Hurts. Mahomes, Burrow and Allen yes. Jackson probably, although his playoff record is pretty bad. 
Herbert maybe - feel he is better than his numbers show and has had issues with the talent around him. But of the others - give me Hurts.

After the 2021 season, most of the "but Hurts" crowd also had Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson labeled as "clearly better" and would have taken either any day over Hurts while also giving up two first rd picks+ in the process. Both of those guys were special players on their original teams, but after being traded were never the same in their new "fits." Funny how that works. Aaron Rodgers is another recent example of the magic disappearing after a trade. 

Hurts is going to be QB1 for many years to come for the Eagles

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve watched a lot of Eagles football over the years and I don’t recall any Eagles quarterback winning eight or more games after ten games for three consecutive seasons. I guess this team is magically doing something they have never did with any other quarterback under center despite him. 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve watched a lot of Eagles football over the years and I don’t recall any Eagles quarterback winning eight or more games after ten games for three consecutive seasons. I guess this team is magically doing something they have never did with any other quarterback under center despite him. 

We all know Hurts has his flaws and limitations but I feel like at times he doesn’t get the credit he deserves for his ability to win games and make plays in big spots. Some of the plays he makes in big spots with either his arm or legs are huge and back breaking for a defense.

He had a pretty good game. No bad sacks, did a pretty good job of throwing it away and the only throw he really missed was the out route to Brown on third down 

Hurts sucks. Just because we are winning doesn’t expunge the fact that he is holding the offense back. Two things can be true at once, he sucks and we are winning in spite of it.   

On 11/13/2024 at 3:01 AM, kiwinavega said:

Hurts is just a flat out winner. The point a couple of you made above about him moving on from poor plays is fundamental to this, and it´s something that both Hurts and Sirianni spoke about in their press conferences after the Dallas game. 

In some ways I think expectations for Hurts can get unrealistic because he is so unbelievably good at times that we demand the impossible (or at least the improbabe) because we have seen it from him before.

I´ll admit I am a homer, and find it difficult to take off the green tinted specs at times, but I think he is a special player. He doesn´t have the extreme physical gifts of a Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson type but he always looks to get better and makes the most of what he does have. He´s also very good at building relationships with his core receivers (if only McNabb had that ability!). He´s comfortably top ten in the league, and probably just on the edge of the top five.

he's definitely a winner but never lead a team to win it all.  As a matter of fact for his team to win it all they had to replace him.  Add in to that he was single handedly the reason we had a chance in the Super Bowl against KC and the reason we lost it.  Hurts has limitations.  he is defiantly not a 50 million QB but we have enough talent on the offense to win with him.  I think Moore is starting to figure out how to call a game for hurts.  I think this is why those 2nd halfs are so much more productive than the first.  That's a good sign I think. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

We all know Hurts has his flaws and limitations but I feel like at times he doesn’t get the credit he deserves for his ability to win games and make plays in big spots. Some of the plays he makes in big spots with either his arm or legs are huge and back breaking for a defense.

Every player has some flaws. Jalen isn’t perfect, but he wins football games. He’s probably already in the top five of Eagles quarterbacks with wins. Sirianni probably is too though. 😂