5 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

I think it’s wide open.  What do you have in mind?

No idea but putting Peters in means you'll still need to have someone who can start. So why pay for 2 that will share the position?

25 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

No idea but putting Peters in means you'll still need to have someone who can start. So why pay for 2 that will share the position?

Well they’re dancing right now.  Doug says Peters is good at RG and Mailota (or whoever) is all set on the blind side.  So we’ll see...

4 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Well they’re dancing right now.  Doug says Peters is good at RG and Mailota (or whoever) is all set on the blind side.  So we’ll see...

And that equals a disaster waiting to happen. 

10 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Well they’re dancing right now.  Doug says Peters is good at RG and Mailota (or whoever) is all set on the blind side.  So we’ll see...

I think this is more Doug trolling the media.  I don't believe there really is any kind of rift between Doug and/or the FO and JP.  They already know they can just plug JP into LT on the spot and what to expect.  They also know they can expect he'll miss time here and there due to injury, so it is in their best interest to figure out who the best option is that can spell him as needed.  That's likely why they haven't rushed to move JP over to LT now.  

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

I think this is more Doug trolling the media.  I don't believe there really is any kind of rift between Doug and/or the FO and JP.  They already know they can just plug JP into LT on the spot and what to expect.  They also know they can expect he'll miss time here and there due to injury, so it is in their best interest to figure out who the best option is that can spell him as needed.  That's likely why they haven't rushed to move JP over to LT now.  

100% agree and I stole what you said and said the same in the other Peters thread lol

15 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Why? The Eagles had all the leverage and chose to bring him back on a short money deal.  Now he has the leverage and wants to be paid appropriately if they move him back. These are business moves, not rah rah go team moves.

Holding the team hostage for a few dollars. Putting himself above the team. I've never heard of someone getting a new contract within months of signing the last one just because he had to change positions. 

15 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Why? The Eagles had all the leverage and chose to bring him back on a short money deal.  Now he has the leverage and wants to be paid appropriately if they move him back. These are business moves, not rah rah go team moves.

why didnt peters and his agent bring up the inevitable of him going to LT and build incentives into the deal when they signed ? thats not the team's job. peters and his agent failed here not the team. 

7 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Holding the team hostage for a few dollars. Putting himself above the team. I've never heard of someone getting a new contract within months of signing the last one just because he had to change positions. 

i love jason peters, but he is being a dbag here. 

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

why didnt peters and his agent bring up the inevitable of him going to LT and build incentives into the deal when they signed ? thats not the team's job. peters and his agent failed here not the team. 

That's an excellent point.  They absolutely should have baked that into the deal.  

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

That's an excellent point.  They absolutely should have baked that into the deal.  

Yes it sure is.  They had to know there was a reasonable chance he'd be called upon to play LT at some point.  

3 hours ago, time2rock said:

Yes it sure is.  They had to know there was a reasonable chance he'd be called upon to play LT at some point.  

The only thing I can think of is that the NFL Standard Player Contract doesn't allow those kind of nuances.  His agent has a lot of NFL players so he would obviously be expected to understand how it works. 

He does not want more money to play, that was a myth. 

8 hours ago, PhillyGreenMachine said:

He does not want more money to play, that was a myth. 

Was it? Says who?

On 9/2/2020 at 7:09 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And that equals a disaster waiting to happen. 

It doesn't necessarily,  at some point we have to survive without Jason Peters at LT, the team had decided the time was now and did him a solid when he had no takers on the open market as LT by giving him a job at Guard when Brookes went down.  The teams LT position is where it would've been if Peters had signed elsewhere or retired, it's where it will be next year if Dillard gets injured or cut, the team has to prepare for life post Jason Peters. Plenty of franchise QB's have had to endure a season behind a less than stellar O-Line, Wentz's body is either up to the demands of pro football or it isn't.

Jeff Stoutland is supposed to be one of the greats of O-Line coaching, he's had 3 years to teach Mailata NFL concepts and technique and Mailata clearly has the physical tools, if the Coaches have no faith that Mailata or Pryor can make it at LT then I'd like them to explain to the fans why we didn't make Vaitai an offer as a solid Swing Tackle.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

It doesn't necessarily,  at some point we have to survive without Jason Peters at LT, the team had decided the time was now and did him a solid when he had no takers on the open market as LT by giving him a job at Guard when Brookes went down.  The teams LT position is where it would've been if Peters had signed elsewhere or retired, it's where it will be next year if Dillard gets injured or cut, the team has to prepare for life post Jason Peters. Plenty of franchise QB's have had to endure a season behind a less than stellar O-Line, Wentz's body is either up to the demands of pro football or it isn't.

Jeff Stoutland is supposed to be one of the greats of O-Line coaching, he's had 3 years to teach Mailata NFL concepts and technique and Mailata clearly has the physical tools, if the Coaches have no faith that Mailata or Pryor can make it at LT then I'd like them to explain to the fans why we didn't make Vaitai an offer as a solid Swing Tackle.

Vaitai got paid a heckuva lot more than what a swing tackle typically makes (his deal with Detroit was for 5 year, $50M).  With our cap situation it is completely understandable that we weren't able to offer him enough to keep him here.  I do completely agree that we have to figure out life after JP and add Big V to that statement (since JP will miss time every season, that is a given considering his recent injury history, and Big V served in that role to spell him in recent years).  

Regarding Mailata, I get he was a complete project when we drafted him, but after 3 years if he isn't ready to at least start contributing it is time to move on from that experiment and use the roster spot for someone else.  Perhaps that is why they drafted Wanogho.  Would like to see them give him some time just to see what he offers there.  

I don't think Pryor has any business playing LT - I think that is a waste of valuable time they could be giving to others there to get a better evaluation (as to who will spell JP - have to assume he will eventually move over to LT, that just makes too much damn sense and to squabble over a $M or 2 over protecting  your franchise QB is ridiculous - not that I really buy that anyway).  

A few items. 

 

Mailata is only 23....  He is younger than Pryor by 2 years.   I am ok with continued development. Yes 3 years, is a decent amount of time. He is still here which means we still see ability in him and guessing he has improved or he would have been gone. The real test will be if he hits IR again this season, they stashed him last year, they cant afford to do that this year. We need him to either start or be a good backup and get some game time reps. 

I am fine with JP at RG. It is likely there will be further injuries, I dont trust JP to stay healthy and play a full 16 games at any position, it is likely we would be right here at some point in the season needing another LT if He was to play LT. The Eagles had made the decision to go with Dillard this season at LT, even though we know Dillard was not as good as JP last year. We were prepared for that drop off, expecting him to improve over time and be the LT long term. Now the drop off gets a little steeper having to rely on either Pryor or Mailata, but it was already expected.

The question becomes, can we do enough to mitigate that drop off till which ever player develops? And the best way to develop is in game experience. Think back to how questionable Seumalo was when he first started taking live reps? They benched him. And now look at him, he is a pretty darn good player.  I do trust Stoutland, look what he did with Big V in 2017. Whom ever we go with is going to have their ups and downs, the idea is they will be better by end of season then they are to start the season if they play and develop and not get hurt. 

 

 

This should reduce Peters' leverage.

 

Peters made $6m last year

31 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Peters made $6m last year

Hmmm ... his most recent deal (to rejoin to play RG) is for $3M with another $3M in incentives, so he would end up with the same as last year (assuming the incentives are likely to be earned).  If they aren't perhaps they can simply adjust the wording on the incentives to make it more likely he reaches them to get paid more.  

6 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

It doesn't necessarily,  at some point we have to survive without Jason Peters at LT, the team had decided the time was now and did him a solid when he had no takers on the open market as LT by giving him a job at Guard when Brookes went down.  The teams LT position is where it would've been if Peters had signed elsewhere or retired, it's where it will be next year if Dillard gets injured or cut, the team has to prepare for life post Jason Peters. Plenty of franchise QB's have had to endure a season behind a less than stellar O-Line, Wentz's body is either up to the demands of pro football or it isn't.

Come on now... The plan for life after Peters was Dillard. Or at least to see what he's got. And although Dillard wasn't exactly convincing everyone he was at least a legit option. We absolutely can't say the same about Pryor nor Mailata.

22 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Come on now... The plan for life after Peters was Dillard. Or at least to see what he's got. And although Dillard wasn't exactly convincing everyone he was at least a legit option. We absolutely can't say the same about Pryor nor Mailata.

IDK about that. We do know whomever we stick at LT including Dillard was not going to start off as good as Peters was, it will take time and game time experience to improve. We dont know how much Pryor or Mailata can improve nor where they are at today. Stoutland has an idea. I do trust him, his track record has earned that trust. If they start the season with one of those guys, it is because they believe they will be ok. 

I know people are equating this to that time AR decided he didn't need a punt returner, but the Eagles coaching staff knows how important the OL is for the health of their franchise and mega paid QB.  Could they be wrong? sure, time will tell.  Rest assured I fully expect the Offense to be rocky to start the season to begin with, and I think they will progressively improve as the season moves along. 

12 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Was it? Says who?

Right here

 

12 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

IDK about that. We do know whomever we stick at LT including Dillard was not going to start off as good as Peters was, it will take time and game time experience to improve. We dont know how much Pryor or Mailata can improve nor where they are at today. Stoutland has an idea. I do trust him, his track record has earned that trust. If they start the season with one of those guys, it is because they believe they will be ok. 

But I think we can say that we had more confidence in Dillard than Pryor or Mailata. Dillard played at LT in the NFL last year and handled himself. Pryor and Mailata have never played LT in the NFL, in fact Mailata has never played any position at any level really. 

15 hours ago, jsb235 said:

This should reduce Peters' leverage.

 

How does this reduce Peters leverage? The Eagles just lost a viable option and Reiff is making 3 mill more than him plus an option to get incentive pay. If anything it has giving Peters an edge to make more money. 

15 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

How does this reduce Peters leverage? The Eagles just lost a viable option and Reiff is making 3 mill more than him plus an option to get incentive pay. If anything it has giving Peters an edge to make more money. 

That was my thought too actually. If anything it puts Peters in a stronger position. 

12 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That was my thought too actually. If anything it puts Peters in a stronger position. 

In any case I just hope the Eagles know what they’re doing. Seems like they’re playing a dangerous game with the protection of a QB that has a long injury history.