Did anyon catch that Acho rant about the Eagles defense or when Ritchie said Cunningham and Milton Williams basically tackled each other when they were trying to run a stunt play? To me this all sounds like the coaching staff is failing to actually practice. Guys don’t even know where the other is supposed to be because they’re not practicing enough with one another to be on the same page. The coaching staff is installing game plans while not really allowing these guys to effectively execute what they actually installed. That’s why their fundamentals are so terrible because they don’t practice them. Even back in training camp there was talk of a lot of sloppy football by this team, but they still got to no have to play in preseason games and they still had very short practices. This team was rewarded for slacking off and they brought into their own hype thinking they could just turn it all back on, but they couldn’t and they haven’t been able to, because they lack accountability and fundamentals and that is completely on the head coach. 

Nick is supposed to be an offensive ooach yet his first play call that he allowed via OC Johnson was a WR screen for Marcus Mariota?
That alone since they over call a very high risk very low reward play should be reason to fire both OC Johnson and HC Nick Siranni, but I trust in Howie.

He's a great GM, we shouldn't pressure GM Howie to do stuff that could actually make the team worse.

Siri isn't getting fired. The optics of it would be too detrimental to the organisation. Everyone else? Up for grabs. Siri's record is a shield. They would have to crap the bed horendously on Monday night, and even that would be a stretch. Who would join a team where making the postseason every year is not even good enough for a shot at redemption?

46 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

Siri isn't getting fired. The optics of it would be too detrimental to the organisation. Everyone else? Up for grabs. Siri's record is a shield. They would have to crap the bed horendously on Monday night, and even that would be a stretch. Who would join a team where making the postseason every year is not even good enough for a shot at redemption?

OK, let's talk about that. He made the playoffs 3 years in a row. Wonderful, but they are currently in a historic collapse. What exactly has Nick shown you to tell you he's the guy to handle fixing the ship? For the last six weeks they have been sliding down hill and progressively getting worse. He has no answers how to fix it, probably because he is a large part of the problem, but let's say he isn't.

Someone who deserves another year MUST be someone who can turn things around when problems and challenges arise. All that has happened is both the offense and the defense and their willingness to fight has decreased. They couldn't even come close to hanging with the Giants.

Many of you throw out that stat as a shield but it means nothing because none of you can point to one thing Nick has done to right the ship.Not one freaking thing. We on the other hand can point to numerous things that are looking worse each coming week.

When things are going good on a talented team it's easy to be the coach. When crap hits the fan you learn a lot about them and he has nothing going for him. He isn't a good offensive mind, he doesn't know defense, he can't manage bad situations, and he can't even motivate them to play hard. He has nothing going for him other than for some reason people want to gift him another year. Screw that!

 

I am not going to argue with your general point, which is fair enough. Where the NFL is different is the general paucity of fixtures. Show me another professional league in team sports where 17 games constituents a full season. I'm not sure there is one. Even in soccer, teams like Manchester City in the English Premier League - the richest, most expensive team, for argument's sake - have recently had a run with few wins in a series of games in a league not built for parity, where money talks way more than US sports  - go through this. They have a head coach recognised as one of the top, if not the top, coach around. It's such a small sample that it is very difficult to predict trends, other than that quality will tell in the end. On that basis, and others, I am not ready to ditch the longer term positive trend for an (admittedly awful) set or results. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that it might be wiser to cool our heels a bit and let this thing play out.

I'm not comparing Pep Guardiola to Nick Sirianni, because that would be ridiculous, but there are elements of the comparison that would withstand scrutiny if enough attention was given

1 hour ago, kiwinavega said:

Siri isn't getting fired. The optics of it would be too detrimental to the organisation. Everyone else? Up for grabs. Siri's record is a shield. They would have to crap the bed horendously on Monday night, and even that would be a stretch. Who would join a team where making the postseason every year is not even good enough for a shot at redemption?

Who the f cares about optics? Are you their PR person? Do what's right for the success of the team. 

Coaches and assistants care as much about their image as anyone else. Who would take a job if you are destined to be seen as a failure, regardless of what you put on paper? I sure as hell wouldn't. Would you go to a place where you could do a good job, then get fired regardless? If the answer isn't hell the F no then that says more about you than it does anything, or anyone, else

1 minute ago, kiwinavega said:

Coaches and assistants care as much about their image as anyone else. Who would take a job if you are destined to be seen as a failure, regardless of what you put on paper? I sure as hell wouldn't. Would you go to a place where you could do a good job, then get fired regardless? If the answer isn't hell the F no then that says more about you than it does anything, or anyone, else

What makes you think he did a good job? He doesn't call plays, acts like a buffoon,  hires the wrong people, poor Time management, his play design sucks, etc....

All these things were said about Big Red, too...

OK, maybe they weren't. But some of them were. He's done OK since

I think he's immature, was promoted way too fast to HC, lacks creativity in game planning and play design, is abysmal at calling a game himself, and isn't an authority figure with the players. He's an Intern sitting in a C-level chair. I'm going to call him the intern from now on. Hopefully, that's only for one more week. I have no confidence in the intern.

1 hour ago, kiwinavega said:

Siri isn't getting fired. The optics of it would be too detrimental to the organisation. Everyone else? Up for grabs. Siri's record is a shield. They would have to crap the bed horendously on Monday night, and even that would be a stretch. Who would join a team where making the postseason every year is not even good enough for a shot at redemption?

You sure about that? You wanna bet?

If you like. I have a whole shiny dime here, or we could do a signature bet, allowin us to show off our foresight and genius to all and sundry

 

1 hour ago, kiwinavega said:

I am not going to argue with your general point, which is fair enough. Where the NFL is different is the general paucity of fixtures. Show me another professional league in team sports where 17 games constituents a full season. I'm not sure there is one. Even in soccer, teams like Manchester City in the English Premier League - the richest, most expensive team, for argument's sake - have recently had a run with few wins in a series of games in a league not built for parity, where money talks way more than US sports  - go through this. They have a head coach recognised as one of the top, if not the top, coach around. It's such a small sample that it is very difficult to predict trends, other than that quality will tell in the end. On that basis, and others, I am not ready to ditch the longer term positive trend for an (admittedly awful) set or results. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that it might be wiser to cool our heels a bit and let this thing play out.

I'm not comparing Pep Guardiola to Nick Sirianni, because that would be ridiculous, but there are elements of the comparison that would withstand scrutiny if enough attention was given

All that is great, but again....things have totally fallen apart. Not gotten bad. Not struggled here or there. Totally fallen apart in historic fashion over the last six weeks and they keep getting worse. Nobody can post one thing Nick has done to show he has the ability to turn things around or at least stop the ship from sinking worse. There is no reason to give him another 17 games to show exactly what we are seeing right now.

1 hour ago, kiwinavega said:

Coaches and assistants care as much about their image as anyone else. Who would take a job if you are destined to be seen as a failure, regardless of what you put on paper? I sure as hell wouldn't. Would you go to a place where you could do a good job, then get fired regardless? If the answer isn't hell the F no then that says more about you than it does anything, or anyone, else

Here is what one ex player thinks..."It's the worst it's ever been. Even worse than 4-12". Maclin called him and said the same thing. You think only ex players are thinking that? Nope.

 

7 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Here is what one ex player thinks..."It's the worst it's ever been. Even worse than 4-12". Maclin called him and said the same thing. You think only ex players are thinking that? Nope.

 

Thanks for the video, I´ll try and find time to watch it today

10 hours ago, kiwinavega said:

I am not going to argue with your general point, which is fair enough. Where the NFL is different is the general paucity of fixtures. Show me another professional league in team sports where 17 games constituents a full season. I'm not sure there is one. Even in soccer, teams like Manchester City in the English Premier League - the richest, most expensive team, for argument's sake - have recently had a run with few wins in a series of games in a league not built for parity, where money talks way more than US sports  - go through this. They have a head coach recognised as one of the top, if not the top, coach around. It's such a small sample that it is very difficult to predict trends, other than that quality will tell in the end. On that basis, and others, I am not ready to ditch the longer term positive trend for an (admittedly awful) set or results. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that it might be wiser to cool our heels a bit and let this thing play out.

I'm not comparing Pep Guardiola to Nick Sirianni, because that would be ridiculous, but there are elements of the comparison that would withstand scrutiny if enough attention was given

LOL.

I get what you're trying to say but i think that was perhaps a bad example. Man city lost to a team above them in the league and drew with spurs, chelsea and liverpool. All top teams.

If they'd started losing 5-0 to a bottom of the league team then fair enough.

But the way we've just given up is extremely worrying and no one in the organisation knows what to do about it, especially siri. Had we steadied the ship and looked better on either side of the ball but lost a close game you could understand it, but its just been a total collapse. From being the best team in the NFL to quite possibly one of the worst in the space of a few weeks.

Yeah, you´re right. I´m trying to find reasons to be hopeful... running out of straws to clutch

I think the press find Sirianni a bit abrasive so they're talking up the possibility of him being fired to get the idea out there, whether the Eagles actually would fire him especially if we manage to beat the Bucs on Monday is still a huge question mark, regardless of the mother of all Tatergeddon's about the issue.

It also depends who's decision it was to dump Desai, if the FO told Sirianni changes had to be made and the changes made it worse, that strengthens Sirianni's hand, if Sirianni took the decision then the shield of his record is weakened considerably, because the reason Lurie turned on Chip was because he didn't take responsibility for the consequence of his own action.

14 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Here is what one ex player thinks..."It's the worst it's ever been. Even worse than 4-12". Maclin called him and said the same thing. You think only ex players are thinking that? Nope.

 

They also agreed with Joy Taylor that firing Sirianni isn't the answer. They need wholesale changes on the coaching staff, minus Stoutland, Clay and maybe Singleton (although the RB's may be a product of the o-line). Acho wants to know what Sirianni does well since he doesn't call plays, but he also agreed that firing him isn't the answer. 

4 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I think the press find Sirianni a bit abrasive so they're talking up the possibility of him being fired to get the idea out there, whether the Eagles actually would fire him especially if we manage to beat the Bucs on Monday is still a huge question mark, regardless of the mother of all Tatergeddon's about the issue.

It also depends who's decision it was to dump Desai, if the FO told Sirianni changes had to be made and the changes made it worse, that strengthens Sirianni's hand, if Sirianni took the decision then the shield of his record is weakened considerably, because the reason Lurie turned on Chip was because he didn't take responsibility for the consequence of his own action.

There were apparently a bunch of issues with Desai before they made the change and it boiled over after the loss to Dallas. Patricia was probably seen as the only option on the staff to take over and be able to call plays and try and salvage the downward trend on that side of the ball. I personally thought Patricia would be an awful option, but I can see the reasoning behind it when the 49'ers scored 42 and the Cowboys backed it up with 24 in the first half. 

For all those people that wanted the Eagles to fire Johnson in season, who would take over the play calling and would the offense be any better? We just saw how bad the D turned out when they moved on from Desai to Patricia, there is 0 chance Sirianni takes over play calling duties and there is no one on the staff that has experience calling plays. You make the move to send out a guy with even less experience in the role than Johnson? The Bills fired Dorsey mid season but Brady had been an offensive coordinator for the Panthers.

 

EDIT: I just saw Marcus Brady was promoted from a consultant last year to senior offensive assistant. He was the offensive co-ordinator for the Colts after Sirianni left. I don't think he called plays either and was fired by the Colts part way through the season. So he probably isn't a suitable replacement if they did fire Johnson but at least had some experience as an OC

11 minutes ago, Mat said:

They also agreed with Joy Taylor that firing Sirianni isn't the answer. They need wholesale changes on the coaching staff, minus Stoutland, Clay and maybe Singleton (although the RB's may be a product of the o-line). Acho wants to know what Sirianni does well since he doesn't call plays, but he also agreed that firing him isn't the answer. 

There were apparently a bunch of issues with Desai before they made the change and it boiled over after the loss to Dallas. Patricia was probably seen as the only option on the staff to take over and be able to call plays and try and salvage the downward trend on that side of the ball. I personally thought Patricia would be an awful option, but I can see the reasoning behind it when the 49'ers scored 42 and the Cowboys backed it up with 24 in the first half. 

For all those people that wanted the Eagles to fire Johnson in season, who would take over the play calling and would the offense be any better? We just saw how bad the D turned out when they moved on from Desai to Patricia, there is 0 chance Sirianni takes over play calling duties and there is no one on the staff that has experience calling plays. You make the move to send out a guy with even less experience in the role than Johnson? The Bills fired Dorsey mid season but Brady had been an offensive coordinator for the Panthers.

Well, name a good coach in the NFL who's had a team collapse historically like this? Name a good coach who's ever had his team quit and get destroyed by inferior teams? They couldn't even hang with the Giants. Again, the fire is getting worse, and Nick doesn't have any answers on how to slow it down. We aren't talking fix things. He is unable to even stop the snowball from rolling. That's a major red flag.

We can sit here and talk about the talent gaps, MP being worse on defense, but he has no answers after six weeks. If they lose to Tampa that's seven straight weeks and almost a third of an NFL season crapping the bed. There is no justifiable reason anyone can give to keep him past making the playoffs three straight years. Not one reason why he's the guy who can turn things around. Not one skill he has to bring that's shows he deserves to keep it.

18 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Did anyon catch that Acho rant about the Eagles defense or when Ritchie said Cunningham and Milton Williams basically tackled each other when they were trying to run a stunt play? To me this all sounds like the coaching staff is failing to actually practice. Guys don’t even know where the other is supposed to be because they’re not practicing enough with one another to be on the same page. The coaching staff is installing game plans while not really allowing these guys to effectively execute what they actually installed. That’s why their fundamentals are so terrible because they don’t practice them. Even back in training camp there was talk of a lot of sloppy football by this team, but they still got to no have to play in preseason games and they still had very short practices. This team was rewarded for slacking off and they brought into their own hype thinking they could just turn it all back on, but they couldn’t and they haven’t been able to, because they lack accountability and fundamentals and that is completely on the head coach. 

Hargrave said that it's more demanding in San Fran. It definitely shows on the field.

 

 

18 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Did anyon catch that Acho rant about the Eagles defense or when Ritchie said Cunningham and Milton Williams basically tackled each other when they were trying to run a stunt play? To me this all sounds like the coaching staff is failing to actually practice. Guys don’t even know where the other is supposed to be because they’re not practicing enough with one another to be on the same page. The coaching staff is installing game plans while not really allowing these guys to effectively execute what they actually installed. That’s why their fundamentals are so terrible because they don’t practice them. Even back in training camp there was talk of a lot of sloppy football by this team, but they still got to no have to play in preseason games and they still had very short practices. This team was rewarded for slacking off and they brought into their own hype thinking they could just turn it all back on, but they couldn’t and they haven’t been able to, because they lack accountability and fundamentals and that is completely on the head coach. 

I'm guessing much of that is related to the switch to Patricia to run the defense.  Players were talking about having to learn all new terminology, they are learning new assignments, etc.  It was beyond stupid to make the change at that point in the season.  It usually takes a full offseason to get comfortable with all that ... Sirianni thinks they can do it in a couple of weeks?? 

11 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I'm guessing much of that is related to the switch to Patricia to run the defense.  Players were talking about having to learn all new terminology, they are learning new assignments, etc.  It was beyond stupid to make the change at that point in the season.  It usually takes a full offseason to get comfortable with all that ... Sirianni thinks they can do it in a couple of weeks?? 

If Patricia is really trying to install a new defense at this stage in the season then he's dumb as rocks and can't stay in the job.

My chief gripe with the move is Desai is not responsible for this team having a defensive roster with no starting quality inside linebackers who can stay healthy, with two thirty plus outside corners and a nickel corner who can't stay healthy backed up by rookie UDFA's and practise squad fodder, starting the season with a cheap free agent, a 2nd year UDFA and 3rd round rookie as the Safety depth chart or ending the season with only 3 experienced edge rushers on the roster. Maybe the rumours about defense not being coached hard are true, but damn if I only had 1 player worth a toot on a tin whistle at multiple key positions, I'd be tempted to wrap them in cotton wool during the week too.

Getting rid of Desai will not fill those roster holes, appointing Staley, Minter, Leonhard or Wank Martindale isn't going to instantly turn Kelee Ringo into Darelle Revis, or 2023 James Bradberry into mid 2022 James Bradberry, or Nolan Smith into a solid first round pick.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, name a good coach in the NFL who's had a team collapse historically like this? Name a good coach who's ever had his team quit and get destroyed by inferior teams? They couldn't even hang with the Giants. Again, the fire is getting worse, and Nick doesn't have any answers on how to slow it down. We aren't talking fix things. He is unable to even stop the snowball from rolling. That's a major red flag.

We can sit here and talk about the talent gaps, MP being worse on defense, but he has no answers after six weeks. If they lose to Tampa that's seven straight weeks and almost a third of an NFL season crapping the bed. There is no justifiable reason anyone can give to keep him past making the playoffs three straight years. Not one reason why he's the guy who can turn things around. Not one skill he has to bring that's shows he deserves to keep it.

There a bunch of teams that start off hot with 6-1 and 7-2 starts and completely fail down the stretch. Tomlin is an example, the 2018 Steelers started the season 7-2-1 and ended up finishing the season 9-6-1 and lost to the Raiders (4-12 record) and Broncos (6-10 record) in that span. They were 13-3 the year before, had Bell not want to come play under the Franchise tag and AB lose his mind at the end of that season. Tomlin is a well respected coach and viewed as one of the better ones around the league.

The Rams won a Super Bowl and finished the season last year with a 5-12 record. I wouldn't put Vrabel in that category but the Titans were 7-3 last year and finished the season 7-10. Doug and the Jags were 8-3 and finished the season 9-8 only beating the Panthers. 

The team has looked like complete ass post the Bills game. Prior to that they were wildly inconsistent but grinding out games and winning ugly which is what you expect a good team to be able to do. 

His biggest strength has been being able to manage the locker room in the past, even with the team on the skids we still haven't heard the team blaming anyone else other than themselves. They will overhaul the defensive coaches as soon as the season end and make some changes offensively as well.