11 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

If Patricia is really trying to install a new defense at this stage in the season then he's dumb as rocks and can't stay in the job.

My chief gripe with the move is Desai is not responsible for this team having a defensive roster with no starting quality inside linebackers who can stay healthy, with two thirty plus outside corners and a nickel corner who can't stay healthy backed up by rookie UDFA's and practise squad fodder, starting the season with a cheap free agent, a 2nd year UDFA and 3rd round rookie as the Safety depth chart or ending the season with only 3 experienced edge rushers on the roster. Maybe the rumours about defense not being coached hard are true, but damn if I only had 1 player worth a toot on a tin whistle at multiple key positions, I'd be tempted to wrap them in cotton wool during the week too.

Getting rid of Desai will not fill those roster holes, appointing Staley, Minter, Leonhard or Wank Martindale isn't going to instantly turn Kelee Ringo into Darelle Revis, or 2023 James Bradberry into mid 2022 James Bradberry, or Nolan Smith into a solid first round pick.

Howie completely whiffed at LB'er and safety, I think most people thought some of the guys they brought in were band-aids and he would make a bigger move at some point closer to the season like he did for CJ last year. Byard may have been that move this season, but he came into a pretty crappy situation and was expected to produce right away on a dysfunctional unit. Losing Hargrave has impacted the d-line, but they haven't produced as expected when they have invested quite a bit. I wasn't a fan of Barnett, but he has been quite good with the Texans. Why wasn't he in the rotation more when Desai was running the defense when the pass rush was lacking? The lack of pressure from the d-line is also exposing the weaknesses in the secondary and that has to come down to how the players are also being used on that side of the ball. 

Patricia has only made a bad situation even worse with his stupidity

23 minutes ago, Mat said:

There a bunch of teams that start off hot with 6-1 and 7-2 starts and completely fail down the stretch. Tomlin is an example, the 2018 Steelers started the season 7-2-1 and ended up finishing the season 9-6-1 and lost to the Raiders (4-12 record) and Broncos (6-10 record) in that span. They were 13-3 the year before, had Bell not want to come play under the Franchise tag and AB lose his mind at the end of that season. Tomlin is a well respected coach and viewed as one of the better ones around the league.

The Rams won a Super Bowl and finished the season last year with a 5-12 record. I wouldn't put Vrabel in that category but the Titans were 7-3 last year and finished the season 7-10. Doug and the Jags were 8-3 and finished the season 9-8 only beating the Panthers. 

The team has looked like complete ass post the Bills game. Prior to that they were wildly inconsistent but grinding out games and winning ugly which is what you expect a good team to be able to do. 

His biggest strength has been being able to manage the locker room in the past, even with the team on the skids we still haven't heard the team blaming anyone else other than themselves. They will overhaul the defensive coaches as soon as the season end and make some changes offensively as well. 

Yeah, that's still not 10-1 and losing 5 out of the last 6 games to end a season with a defense that shouldn't even be called a defense because they can't top anyone and an offense that is falling apart as well. So numbers wise this is historic. Past the numbers it's even worse with the eye test. So there really isn't anything to compare this to since the Jets in the 80s.

It's great that in the past he managed it well, but that was his motivational BS that isn't working at all now. So what we are learning right now is when things go wrong he has no answers or ability to stop it from getting worse. That's not fix it...he can't stop it from spiraling out of control. Someone who deserved more time could at least fix one or two things or at minimum have the players look interested in being on the field. They don't.

Again, when things are rolling with the talent he has had it's easy to look good. You learn about a coach when crap hits the fan and he looks lost in the woods watching it burn.

Guys, the offense also sucks now.  The Eagles are clearly in open revolt against this coaching staff and I fully expect Siri to be fired within a week after the they get blown out by the Bucs.

20 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Did anyon catch that Acho rant about the Eagles defense or when Ritchie said Cunningham and Milton Williams basically tackled each other when they were trying to run a stunt play? To me this all sounds like the coaching staff is failing to actually practice. Guys don’t even know where the other is supposed to be because they’re not practicing enough with one another to be on the same page. The coaching staff is installing game plans while not really allowing these guys to effectively execute what they actually installed. That’s why their fundamentals are so terrible because they don’t practice them. Even back in training camp there was talk of a lot of sloppy football by this team, but they still got to no have to play in preseason games and they still had very short practices. This team was rewarded for slacking off and they brought into their own hype thinking they could just turn it all back on, but they couldn’t and they haven’t been able to, because they lack accountability and fundamentals and that is completely on the head coach. 

They run high school schemes on both sides of the ball and still can't execute.  It might be the worst brand of football I've ever seen from the Eagles, at least going back to the mid 80's.

24 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

They run high school schemes on both sides of the ball and still can't execute.  It might be the worst brand of football I've ever seen from the Eagles, at least going back to the mid 80's.

It's a lot like Chip Kelly's offense yet somehow worse. 

42 minutes ago, Gannan said:

It's a lot like Chip Kelly's offense yet somehow worse. 

I watched like one qtr of the Giants game.  After like the 6th straight play where slant to AJ got smothered and Hurts had to sprint left and pray for something to get open, I said F this.  This team makes me want to vomit.

19 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I watched like one qtr of the Giants game.  After like the 6th straight play where slant to AJ got smothered and Hurts had to sprint left and pray for something to get open, I said F this.  This team makes me want to vomit.

They are so hard to watch. First down is usually, a simple post or hook. 2nd and long is always, always, always a bubble screen. 3rd down is usually the same post or hook they ran on 1st down. Its the worst offense in football.

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

If Patricia is really trying to install a new defense at this stage in the season then he's dumb as rocks and can't stay in the job.

My chief gripe with the move is Desai is not responsible for this team having a defensive roster with no starting quality inside linebackers who can stay healthy, with two thirty plus outside corners and a nickel corner who can't stay healthy backed up by rookie UDFA's and practise squad fodder, starting the season with a cheap free agent, a 2nd year UDFA and 3rd round rookie as the Safety depth chart or ending the season with only 3 experienced edge rushers on the roster. Maybe the rumours about defense not being coached hard are true, but damn if I only had 1 player worth a toot on a tin whistle at multiple key positions, I'd be tempted to wrap them in cotton wool during the week too.

Getting rid of Desai will not fill those roster holes, appointing Staley, Minter, Leonhard or Wank Martindale isn't going to instantly turn Kelee Ringo into Darelle Revis, or 2023 James Bradberry into mid 2022 James Bradberry, or Nolan Smith into a solid first round pick.

For all the love Howie gets for roster building his ability to properly evaluate talent is still sorely lacking at critical positions like CB which is why we end up having to overpay for aging FAs (Bradberry) or acquire via trade (Slay).  He doesn't invest draft picks on S (in the last decade he's only used a 7th on Mills and a 4th on Wallace and now a 3rd on Brown this past year).  But part of that may be due to lack of picks ... in 3 of the past 10 drafts he's had limited picks to use (partly for moving up for Wentz but he has also dealt away numerous picks on players to fill roster needs due to poor drafting ... CJGJ, Josiah Scott, Byard, Quinn, etc.) ... he's only had 5 picks in 3 of those drafts and 6 in another.  

18 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Here is what one ex player thinks..."It's the worst it's ever been. Even worse than 4-12". Maclin called him and said the same thing. You think only ex players are thinking that? Nope.

 

Thanks again for posting this. Was long, but glad I watched it through to the end though

It's interesting that despite it all, Shady wanted to keep Siri. I also thought the woman analyst, whose name I didn't ctch, is excellent.

What this really made me think of is Mike Tomlin. He's had ups, he's had downs. He doesn't always make the playoffs, but he's close when he doesn't make it. Not saying Siri is up there with Tomlin, but that he has the potential to be so. How many times over the years has a fanbase, or more realistically the media, been after him? I get we've been bad but come on

4 hours ago, time2rock said:

I'm guessing much of that is related to the switch to Patricia to run the defense.  Players were talking about having to learn all new terminology, they are learning new assignments, etc.  It was beyond stupid to make the change at that point in the season.  It usually takes a full offseason to get comfortable with all that ... Sirianni thinks they can do it in a couple of weeks?? 

Whatever Desai was installing wasn’t working either. With that being the case they don’t practice. It’s painfully obvious when you see guys out there flat out missing tackles on quarterbacks. I mean if you can’t tackle a quarterback there’s something fundamentally wrong with how you prepare to play football. These guys have been tackling almost all of their lives, but now they don’t know how to? That isn’t something regarding talent. That is about preparation and execution. These guys can’t learn it, because they don’t practice it. That’s on Sirianni. 

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

For all the love Howie gets for roster building his ability to properly evaluate talent is still sorely lacking at critical positions like CB which is why we end up having to overpay for aging FAs (Bradberry) or acquire via trade (Slay).  He doesn't invest draft picks on S (in the last decade he's only used a 7th on Mills and a 4th on Wallace and now a 3rd on Brown this past year).  But part of that may be due to lack of picks ... in 3 of the past 10 drafts he's had limited picks to use (partly for moving up for Wentz but he has also dealt away numerous picks on players to fill roster needs due to poor drafting ... CJGJ, Josiah Scott, Byard, Quinn, etc.) ... he's only had 5 picks in 3 of those drafts and 6 in another.  

Truth is we have had these same problems with Howie. Nothing is new, but this team scored zero points in a half against the Giants. This is bigger than just Howie doesn’t draft linebackers. This team is in open revolt of their head coach. They’re no longer listening to the message and why should they? What are the consequences to screwing up? More soft and light practices or more motivational speeches? 

On the play where Brown got hurt (allegedly) I saw on Facebook where someone posted he was clutching one knee and in the next frame he was clutching the other knee, and then I hear he was the first guy to greet Sirianni in the locker room like nothing happened. I mean wow! 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Truth is we have had these same problems with Howie. Nothing is new, but this team scored zero points in a half against the Giants. This is bigger than just Howie doesn’t draft linebackers. This team is in open revolt of their head coach. They’re no longer listening to the message and why should they? What are the consequences to screwing up? More soft and light practices or more motivational speeches? 

Dem flowers are dying!!  

I have no doubt that AJ faked the injury to get out of playing. Honestly I don’t blame him 

19 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Dem flowers are dying!!  

We are watching a full blown mutiny. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

We are watching a full blown mutiny. 

I’m not ready to go that far.  At least not long term. Sirianni has an opportunity to get this right IF he fills the coordinator spots (both of them) with the right hires this offseason.  If he fails to do so and we see more of the same next season then he is toast.  

There had been rumors that the Eagles don't practice worth a damn and former Eagle Javon Hargrave validated it.

While I'm sure the soft practices were mandated by Lurie, Howie, and the analytic guys with the idea that soft practices eliminate injuries.

Sirianni should realize that going along with the foolishness of upper management is ruining his future in the NFL, he'd be better off getting fired for being insubordinate to foolishness than going along with the foolishness and looking like a fool while doing so.......nobody wants a fool HC, Doug knew it, that's why he took a stance against the foolishness.  .    

3 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

There had been rumors that the Eagles don't practice worth a damn and former Eagle Javon Hargrave validated it.

While I'm sure the soft practices were mandated by Lurie, Howie, and the analytic guys with the idea that soft practices eliminate injuries.

Sirianni should realize that going along with the foolishness of upper management is ruining his future in the NFL, he'd be better off getting fired for being insubordinate to foolishness than going along with the foolishness and looking like a fool while doing so.......nobody wants a fool HC, Doug knew it, that's why he took a stance against the foolishness.  .    

Howie should be the first to go. I’m sick of all his meddling. Stick to the salary cap. 

14 hours ago, Mat said:

Howie completely whiffed at LB'er and safety, I think most people thought some of the guys they brought in were band-aids and he would make a bigger move at some point closer to the season like he did for CJ last year. Byard may have been that move this season, but he came into a pretty crappy situation and was expected to produce right away on a dysfunctional unit. Losing Hargrave has impacted the d-line, but they haven't produced as expected when they have invested quite a bit. I wasn't a fan of Barnett, but he has been quite good with the Texans. Why wasn't he in the rotation more when Desai was running the defense when the pass rush was lacking? The lack of pressure from the d-line is also exposing the weaknesses in the secondary and that has to come down to how the players are also being used on that side of the ball. 

Patricia has only made a bad situation even worse with his stupidity

Derek Barnett was getting 4 or 5 snaps less a game than Brandon Graham for the games he was here this year, he was getting a standard rotational workload, he wasn't good enough to start at DE ahead of Reddick or Sweat.

His sack numbers did drop noticeably (but they were never first round pick DE numbers) when Rocker took over as D Line coach in '21, but good luck pinning that on a coach who had the rest of the D Line at all timer sack numbers last year.

I dare say his upturn in performance at Houston has more to do with his lack of a contract for next year than any misuse while he was here. Doubtless he'll get an offer for next year for a couple of years and go back to being bang average 5 sacks a year Derek Barnett.

21 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, that's still not 10-1 and losing 5 out of the last 6 games to end a season with a defense that shouldn't even be called a defense because they can't top anyone and an offense that is falling apart as well. So numbers wise this is historic. Past the numbers it's even worse with the eye test. So there really isn't anything to compare this to since the Jets in the 80s.

It's great that in the past he managed it well, but that was his motivational BS that isn't working at all now. So what we are learning right now is when things go wrong he has no answers or ability to stop it from getting worse. That's not fix it...he can't stop it from spiraling out of control. Someone who deserved more time could at least fix one or two things or at minimum have the players look interested in being on the field. They don't.

Again, when things are rolling with the talent he has had it's easy to look good. You learn about a coach when crap hits the fan and he looks lost in the woods watching it burn.

I have another one as well, the 9-2 Baltimore Ravens in 2012 finished the season 10-6 and went on to win the Super Bowl. This defense has been god awful and doesn't look like they'll be able to do anything other than roll over and die right now, but good coaches have had their teams ish the bed for a stretch. The playoff game will be telling with where they're headed.

The Giants game was an unmitigated disaster and it was the cherry on top of a **** 6 weeks. I believe it was the wrong move putting Patricia in charge of the D and demoting Desai, I don't know if they would have been much better with Desai but Sirianni could have felt that the D was getting ready to quit and needed to make a change to try and spark the unit. If he didn't make the change I can guarantee and they were just as sucky that people would be crying why didn't he fire Desai after the back to back disasters in the 49'ers and Cowboys games. Offensively it's a different story and the inconsistency and execution should fall onto him. 

15 hours ago, time2rock said:

I’m not ready to go that far.  At least not long term. Sirianni has an opportunity to get this right IF he fills the coordinator spots (both of them) with the right hires this offseason.  If he fails to do so and we see more of the same next season then he is toast.  

Problem is we're doing to be right back where we are when someone hires them after a successful season

6 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Derek Barnett was getting 4 or 5 snaps less a game than Brandon Graham for the games he was here this year, he was getting a standard rotational workload, he wasn't good enough to start at DE ahead of Reddick or Sweat.

His sack numbers did drop noticeably (but they were never first round pick DE numbers) when Rocker took over as D Line coach in '21, but good luck pinning that on a coach who had the rest of the D Line at all timer sack numbers last year.

I dare say his upturn in performance at Houston has more to do with his lack of a contract for next year than any misuse while he was here. Doubtless he'll get an offer for next year for a couple of years and go back to being bang average 5 sacks a year Derek Barnett.

I didn't expect him to start ahead of Reddick or Sweat, but the DE rotation has been jacked all season. Sweat was playing 70-80% of the snaps this year which is up from around 50% last year. Graham saw a sizeable drop to around 34% from 42%. Graham and Sweat were both double digit sack guys last year rotating off the field, this year they have 9.5 combined. 

Barnett was seeing maybe 20% at best and has worked up to 70% with Houston since he has been so effective. Even if you don't want to play Barnett and Graham isn't capable of playing as many snaps at his age, Sweat has been nowhere near as effective when on the field as much. They needed to get more bodies out there to try and keep him fresh. Patricia has him on the field less, he dropped down to 59% against the Cards which was his lowest of the year outside of the Giants game the next week. Maybe it has to do with him wanting to drop guys into coverage more? I have no idea what's going on there.

The D-line was god awful when Rocker took over in 21 posting the second lowest sack total in the league. He seems like he is a good development guy with a lot of the d-lineman improving under him. 

Barnett would have been without a contract next year anyway, it was in his best interest to play well for the Eagles to try and prove to teams he has the ability and to lock in a payday. The uptick in performance says more about the Eagles defensive scheme than it does about Barnett. 

20 hours ago, time2rock said:

For all the love Howie gets for roster building his ability to properly evaluate talent is still sorely lacking at critical positions like CB which is why we end up having to overpay for aging FAs (Bradberry) or acquire via trade (Slay).  He doesn't invest draft picks on S (in the last decade he's only used a 7th on Mills and a 4th on Wallace and now a 3rd on Brown this past year).  But part of that may be due to lack of picks ... in 3 of the past 10 drafts he's had limited picks to use (partly for moving up for Wentz but he has also dealt away numerous picks on players to fill roster needs due to poor drafting ... CJGJ, Josiah Scott, Byard, Quinn, etc.) ... he's only had 5 picks in 3 of those drafts and 6 in another.  

Is there no oversite or scouting these players before they are brought in?  This dude keeps bringing in useless bums and throwing away picks.  Like how does the Quinn pick even go through? The guy was clearly cooked from what we seen on the Eagles.  Same with Byard. Dude sucks

12 hours ago, EagleVA said:

There had been rumors that the Eagles don't practice worth a damn and former Eagle Javon Hargrave validated it.

While I'm sure the soft practices were mandated by Lurie, Howie, and the analytic guys with the idea that soft practices eliminate injuries.

Sirianni should realize that going along with the foolishness of upper management is ruining his future in the NFL, he'd be better off getting fired for being insubordinate to foolishness than going along with the foolishness and looking like a fool while doing so.......nobody wants a fool HC, Doug knew it, that's why he took a stance against the foolishness.  .    

I keep hearing how this team is tired..They work less than other teams all week and should be well rested with the non- existent practices. 

4 minutes ago, Swimm said:

I keep hearing how this team is tired..They work less than other teams all week and should be well rested with the non- existent practices. 

"Iron sharpens Iron" as they used to say.

If you dont practice hard then i presume you get rusty and into lazy habits.

I guess theres a fine line between not being physical enough in practice and going to hard. We're definitely the first case.