January 10, 20242 yr 43 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Problem is we're doing to be right back where we are when someone hires them after a successful season So better to hire less competent coordinators? OK on a more serious note, that is a good problem to have IF Sirianni learned a valuable lesson here and that he needs stronger coordinators around him to run those respective units. Problem is, I don't know that he has a large enough circle of coaches he is acquainted with to draw from.
January 10, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, time2rock said: So better to hire less competent coordinators? OK on a more serious note, that is a good problem to have IF Sirianni learned a valuable lesson here and that he needs stronger coordinators around him to run those respective units. Problem is, I don't know that he has a large enough circle of coaches he is acquainted with to draw from. It's better to have a HC that can stand on his own so when he loses coordinators he doesn't end up clueless
January 10, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: It's better to have a HC that can stand on his own so when he loses coordinators he doesn't end up clueless That certainly does not describe Sirianni
January 10, 20242 yr 8 minutes ago, time2rock said: So better to hire less competent coordinators? OK on a more serious note, that is a good problem to have IF Sirianni learned a valuable lesson here and that he needs stronger coordinators around him to run those respective units. Problem is, I don't know that he has a large enough circle of coaches he is acquainted with to draw from. Siri got the job for his work as an OC with Colts. If the offense is sputtering like that he is supposed to be able to fix it his damn self.
January 10, 20242 yr 7 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Siri got the job for his work as an OC with Colts. If the offense is sputtering like that he is supposed to be able to fix it his damn self. It has been sputtering for the majority of the 2023 season and he has shown absolutely no signs of being able to fix it. Clearly he needs creative offensive minds to help implement new wrinkles to stay ahead of what defenses are doing. And honestly, I'd bet he was hired more for his "emotional intelligence" than he was for his offensive acumen.
January 10, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, time2rock said: It has been sputtering for the majority of the 2023 season and he has shown absolutely no signs of being able to fix it. Clearly he needs creative offensive minds to help implement new wrinkles to stay ahead of what defenses are doing. And honestly, I'd bet he was hired more for his "emotional intelligence" than he was for his offensive acumen. You mean the flower bit?
January 10, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: You mean the flower bit? ... I'm sure the players were like "WTF" when they heard that like the rest of us. No I meant for being a coach that players can relate to and not some asshat like Chip was.
January 10, 20242 yr 18 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: We are watching a full blown mutiny. I think you’re being a little dramatic, Karen. A full blown mutiny? Open revolt? Yet everyone in the locker room is accepting blame upon themselves instead of pointing fingers in the public eye. Coaches and players both saying "It’s on me/us not them”. Why would AJ Brown greet Sirianni at all if there was a full blown mutiny and open revolt?
January 10, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, time2rock said: So better to hire less competent coordinators? OK on a more serious note, that is a good problem to have IF Sirianni learned a valuable lesson here and that he needs stronger coordinators around him to run those respective units. Problem is, I don't know that he has a large enough circle of coaches he is acquainted with to draw from. I've seen comments that make sense about having a HC that has a good playbook, knows how to scheme and design plays so that if the OC leaves, they can still carry on. People cite Shanahan, McDaniel and others. Doug and Siri seem to both be similar styles where they are like the CEO but not the experts on anything and good with players. That's not enough when the coordinators are trying to learn on the job. So if they don't hire a HC like that, and you worry about good coordinators leaving and having a revolving door then I think a good type of candidate is a former head coach who is much better suited to being a coordinator. We've seen guys like that do well. They weren't cut out for head coach but understanding they probably won't get HC consideration again but want a steady job, being a coordinator in a steady situation is a good option for them. That kind of coach brings experience as a coordinator, valuable experience as a HC even if he failed he learned from it, and now can settle back in and really focus on the coordinator role. I don't know what they'll do or what the best choice is but either way, the need competence. On offense the roster is stacked and should be excelling. On defense it's coaching and roster and it's a mess. The main responsibility falls to the HC regardless and if he can't right the ship...
January 10, 20242 yr That's the issue though, owners are quick to give these young coaches a shot when they have minimal success, let alone time in their position. There's not really many coaches out there willing to settle for being an OC/DC for years. Why do that when they can be the guy? Brian was a QB coach in the league last year, hasn't looked impressive this season as an OC, and now is being considered for a HC position. I'll admit, he could just be the mandatory poc interview, but we'll find out in the offseason.
January 10, 20242 yr I definitely like the idea of bringing in an established defensive coordinator, who didn’t succeed as a head coach, to run the defense. If that’s the direction, I’d be good with giving Sirianni and BJ another year to figure out the offense.
January 10, 20242 yr Just as a reminder even with all of this "the sky is falling, we suck" etc talk.....we finished the season with the 2nd best record in the NFC.
January 11, 20242 yr 6 hours ago, opa-opa said: Just as a reminder even with all of this "the sky is falling, we suck" etc talk.....we finished the season with the 2nd best record in the NFC. *4th. Cowboys, 49ers and Lions all better.
January 11, 20242 yr 9 hours ago, MidMoFo said: I think you’re being a little dramatic, Karen. A full blown mutiny? Open revolt? Yet everyone in the locker room is accepting blame upon themselves instead of pointing fingers in the public eye. Coaches and players both saying "It’s on me/us not them”. Why would AJ Brown greet Sirianni at all if there was a full blown mutiny and open revolt? You mean the guys who was supposed to be injured? Which knee was it do you know? Look at what they’re doing on the field and tell me how they’re responding positively to what Sirianni is selling.
January 11, 20242 yr 12 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: You mean the guys who was supposed to be injured? Which knee was it do you know? Look at what they’re doing on the field and tell me how they’re responding positively to what Sirianni is selling. It was his right knee, ACL is intact and they didn’t amputate it. He walked off the field, but now you’re pushing a conspiracy because he greeted his coach and teammates when they came back to the locker room? The play on the field is terrible! The offense is predictable and the defense looks like someone trying to plug a fire hose with a coffee filter. It’s bad! I’m not buying the narrative that the locker room is lost or there’s a full blown mutiny or an open rebellion, because none of that is coming from the locker room, just the media trying to make a story stick. If there was a full blown mutiny, players and coaches would be calling each out for everyone to see, lord knows they have both given each other enough ammo to do so in the last 6 weeks… Maybe they get more vocal about it after the season, but it’s not happening right now.
January 11, 20242 yr 27 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: It was his right knee, ACL is intact and they didn’t amputate it. He walked off the field, but now you’re pushing a conspiracy because he greeted his coach and teammates when they came back to the locker room? The play on the field is terrible! The offense is predictable and the defense looks like someone trying to plug a fire hose with a coffee filter. It’s bad! I’m not buying the narrative that the locker room is lost or there’s a full blown mutiny or an open rebellion, because none of that is coming from the locker room, just the media trying to make a story stick. If there was a full blown mutiny, players and coaches would be calling each out for everyone to see, lord knows they have both given each other enough ammo to do so in the last 6 weeks… Maybe they get more vocal about it after the season, but it’s not happening right now. Oh I 100% expect the calling out to come once3 the season is over. IMHO, Hurts and the Core 4 are barely keeping a sense of public discipline until season is over, but once it is the knives are coming for that coaching staff.
January 11, 20242 yr On 1/10/2024 at 9:15 AM, time2rock said: So better to hire less competent coordinators? OK on a more serious note, that is a good problem to have IF Sirianni learned a valuable lesson here and that he needs stronger coordinators around him to run those respective units. Problem is, I don't know that he has a large enough circle of coaches he is acquainted with to draw from. I can not envision any upcoming coach joining this team. This team resembles more like a sinking ship then an upcoming organization.
January 11, 20242 yr 39 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: It was his right knee, ACL is intact and they didn’t amputate it. He walked off the field, but now you’re pushing a conspiracy because he greeted his coach and teammates when they came back to the locker room? The play on the field is terrible! The offense is predictable and the defense looks like someone trying to plug a fire hose with a coffee filter. It’s bad! I’m not buying the narrative that the locker room is lost or there’s a full blown mutiny or an open rebellion, because none of that is coming from the locker room, just the media trying to make a story stick. If there was a full blown mutiny, players and coaches would be calling each out for everyone to see, lord knows they have both given each other enough ammo to do so in the last 6 weeks… Maybe they get more vocal about it after the season, but it’s not happening right now. Maybe the problem is that there is no mutiny, and everyone is buddy buddy. Team Lacks accountability. Coaches chasing the big plays, instead of moving the sticks. Missing assignments….and no one gets fired other than DC. Time for a new perspective and a new philosophy. Time to clean the house..
January 11, 20242 yr 18 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said: I can not envision any upcoming coach joining this team. This team resembles more like a sinking ship then an upcoming organization. I disagree ... I think we would attract quite a few HC candidates. But I still have strong doubts about Sirianni getting fired so I don't think we are going to be looking anyway. IF by chance that does happen, maybe Lurie and Howie learned you need a HC with more than just "emotional intelligence" ... needs to have an extremely creative offensive mind (highly doubt they'd hire a defensive-minded coach).
January 12, 20242 yr 12 hours ago, time2rock said: I disagree ... I think we would attract quite a few HC candidates. But I still have strong doubts about Sirianni getting fired so I don't think we are going to be looking anyway. IF by chance that does happen, maybe Lurie and Howie learned you need a HC with more than just "emotional intelligence" ... needs to have an extremely creative offensive mind (highly doubt they'd hire a defensive-minded coach). Even if a talented OC does join under Siri, he will be poached the next year by another team. So in order to keep him, we will have to promote him to a head coach. And if that is the road to be taken, then What use is Siri? Might as well bring in a new offensive minded HC next year. I am up for that. Siri can raise flowers somewhere also.
January 12, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, Traveler Vic said: Even if a talented OC does join under Siri, he will be poached the next year by another team. So in order to keep him, we will have to promote him to a head coach. And if that is the road to be taken, then What use is Siri? Might as well bring in a new offensive minded HC next year. I am up for that. Siri can raise flowers somewhere also. My response was in reference only to the potential hiring of a new HC. But since you mentioned it, Sirianni has shown that he needs a more experienced, more creative mind at OC to help stay ahead of defenses. Would you prefer someone like BJ where the offense seems to continually stumble (averaging 7 pts in 1st half for most of the year) out of fear he may get poached or would you prefer a stronger offensive mind (like we had with Steichen) where the offense is much more likely to function at the level we want? I'll take the latter 24/7. Best bet would be to find a guy who fits the description that previously had 1 or 2 HC opportunities and failed ... some of those guys are better at being coordinators than HCs.
January 12, 20242 yr 20 hours ago, time2rock said: I disagree ... I think we would attract quite a few HC candidates. But I still have strong doubts about Sirianni getting fired so I don't think we are going to be looking anyway. IF by chance that does happen, maybe Lurie and Howie learned you need a HC with more than just "emotional intelligence" ... needs to have an extremely creative offensive mind (highly doubt they'd hire a defensive-minded coach). So they fire Sirianni, there are persistent rumours that the Owner and GM impose conditions on offensive and defensive scheme, the defense needs a major talent overhaul everywhere outside the interior line and to top it all we've fired the last but one coach 3 years out from our only Superbowl win and the last guy after 3 straight years of playoffs, a Superbowl appearance in year 2 and a record over the last 2 years of 25-9. Do you genuinely believe the Eagles HC vacancy is going to be the most enticing on the market in that scenario?
January 12, 20242 yr 44 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: So they fire Sirianni, there are persistent rumours that the Owner and GM impose conditions on offensive and defensive scheme, the defense needs a major talent overhaul everywhere outside the interior line and to top it all we've fired the last but one coach 3 years out from our only Superbowl win and the last guy after 3 straight years of playoffs, a Superbowl appearance in year 2 and a record over the last 2 years of 25-9. Do you genuinely believe the Eagles HC vacancy is going to be the most enticing on the market in that scenario? Not the most enticing and I do think there will be candidates that won't want anything to do with the spot (as was rumored in the previous recent hiring cycles) but hey there are only 32 NFL HC spots and a boatload of coaches wanting to be a HC. My biggest concern is they make a hire for the wrong reasons (i.e. wanting what everyone keeps referring to as a "yes man" and that weighs more heavily than it should ... more than their abilities as an offensive strategist).
January 12, 20242 yr On 1/10/2024 at 12:15 PM, time2rock said: So better to hire less competent coordinators? OK on a more serious note, that is a good problem to have IF Sirianni learned a valuable lesson here and that he needs stronger coordinators around him to run those respective units. Problem is, I don't know that he has a large enough circle of coaches he is acquainted with to draw from. Agreed. It's hard for the Intern to go through his list of C-level executives, since he doesn't really have one. It's the main reason one shouldn't be promoted too fast.
January 12, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, time2rock said: Not the most enticing and I do think there will be candidates that won't want anything to do with the spot (as was rumored in the previous recent hiring cycles) but hey there are only 32 NFL HC spots and a boatload of coaches wanting to be a HC. My biggest concern is they make a hire for the wrong reasons (i.e. wanting what everyone keeps referring to as a "yes man" and that weighs more heavily than it should ... more than their abilities as an offensive strategist). If I'm a coach this year that doesn't get one of the other vacancies already available, I'm thinking one or all of Saleh, Eberflus, Daboll and Bowles are likely on a warm seat next year and I might be better waiting a year than rushing to take a first Head Coach job where their defense is that bad and they just sacked a guy with a .667 record as their HC.
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