EagleVA Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 One of the biggest failures with the Eagles offense the past 2 seasons has been the running game and it needs to be fixed. Just like when the Eagles were 10-1 everybody thought juggernaut, likewise, everybody thought the running game was the real deal for the first 4-5 games of the year. The Eagles fans and FO are enamoured with open field runners with no physically to their game, this is the exact reason why AR never won it all, he made the decision to go with Wussbrook as his lead back......big mistake!! This year they went with Swift, the turn the other way, turf diving back, pretty much a Miles Sanders clone, not gonna work when you play against the better defenses. If the Eagles don't draft two physical runners in the upcoming draft don't expect the offense to improve worth a damn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judunno Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, EagleVA said: One of the biggest failures with the Eagles offense the past 2 seasons has been the running game and it needs to be fixed. Just like when the Eagles were 10-1 everybody thought juggernaut, likewise, everybody thought the running game was the real deal for the first 4-5 games of the year. The Eagles fans and FO are enamoured with open field runners with no physically to their game, this is the exact reason why AR never won it all, he made the decision to go with Wussbrook as his lead back......big mistake!! This year they went with Swift, the turn the other way, turf diving back, pretty much a Miles Sanders clone, not gonna work when you play against the better defenses. If the Eagles don't draft two physical runners in the upcoming draft don't expect the offense to improve worth a damn. They would have to actually run the ball which is not a desired part of their identity apparently. IF said physical back can pass block that's all they'd really be doing in this offense. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 5 hours ago, judunno said: They would have to actually run the ball which is not a desired part of their identity apparently. IF said physical back can pass block that's all they'd really be doing in this offense. They'll quickly change their minds if they get a RB worth a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 This was not on my EMB Bingo card today...someone dissing Brian Westbrook, arguably the greatest weapon of the Andy Reid era. 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Stoutland is the run game coordinator Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opa-opa Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Didnt they have Rashaad Penny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 39 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Stoutland is the run game coordinator Just saying A run game coordinator with sheety backs is going to amount a sheety run game, the Eagles have feature back that dives into the turf when he sees a hit coming, that's a sheety feature back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 17 minutes ago, EagleVA said: A run game coordinator with sheety backs is going to amount a sheety run game, the Eagles have feature back that dives into the turf when he sees a hit coming, that's a sheety feature back. Swift was 5th in the league in rushing yds with a 4.58 average, while splitting snaps with Gainwell. This whole thread is laughable. The only valid argument about our run game is that we just don't do enough of it. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kz! Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Man, EagleVA complains about Brian Westbrook, an Eagle great, being soft while, bizarrely, one of his current favorite players is Quez Watkins. Incredible. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Some of EagleVA's takes: Bad players: DeVonta Smith, Brian Westbrook, Fletcher Cox Good players: Quez Watkins, Nicholas Morrow Last week he defended Norman Braman as an owner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 29 minutes ago, Kz! said: Man, EagleVA complains about Brian Westbrook, an Eagle great Like I said, you guys are enamoured with that style of RB, you call him great when truth be told, he was a wuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, NOTW said: Some of EagleVA's takes: Bad players: DeVonta Smith, Brian Westbrook, Fletcher Cox You are so FOS, I never said any of the above was a bad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 This thread has fallen kind of, well…flat. You know, like Earth. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judunno Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, EagleVA said: A run game coordinator with sheety backs is going to amount a sheety run game, the Eagles have feature back that dives into the turf when he sees a hit coming, that's a sheety feature back. Clearly you missed Swift trucking Budda :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kz! Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 15 hours ago, EagleVA said: Like I said, you guys are enamoured with that style of RB, you call him great when truth be told, he was a wuss. Nah, we like productive players. You are the one enamored with a very specific type of player. You clearly have some sort of fetish for large-bodied running backs. It's why you still(?) think Shonn Greene was a better RB than LeSean McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 This team ran the ball well last year. This year they did not. That’s partly on the OL. That’s partly on Jalen not being as effective a runner and that’s partly on the coaches not sticking to the run game. Dice up the blame however you want. I agree they do need a physical runner. They brought in Penny but that didn’t work out and then they didn’t do anything to correct that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoEagles614 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 47 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: This team ran the ball well last year. This year they did not. That’s partly on the OL. That’s partly on Jalen not being as effective a runner and that’s partly on the coaches not sticking to the run game. Dice up the blame however you want. I agree they do need a physical runner. They brought in Penny but that didn’t work out and then they didn’t do anything to correct that. They didn’t run enough this year. They need to be able to combat stacked boxes with jumbo formations and have a true will to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxeaglesfanxx Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Swift had over 1k yards and he was hardly used. Running the ball is not their biggest issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 56 minutes ago, xxeaglesfanxx said: Swift had over 1k yards and he was hardly used. Running the ball is not their biggest issue. Running 1k in the NFL now though isn’t a huge achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 17 hours ago, judunno said: Clearly you missed Swift trucking Budda 🙂 So you're going to pick one play to define a back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 18 hours ago, EagleVA said: Like I said, you guys are enamoured with that style of RB, you call him great when truth be told, he was a wuss. Make it stop. Westbrook was NOT a bruising back. But he was highly productive. And to call him a wuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 3 hours ago, Kz! said: Nah, we like productive players. You are the one enamored with a very specific type of player. You clearly have some sort of fetish for large-bodied running backs. It's why you still(?) think Shonn Greene was a better RB than LeSean McCoy. A productive running back is one who can get the job done when everybody in the stadium knows it's time to run the ball. During those times the open field runners don't get the job done, they see a defender and run the other way only to get tackled for a loss. The first thing I look for in a RB is whether or not he's a good runner, not all big bodied RBs are good runners, ditto for the smallish runners. We've been over this Shonn Greene thing before, I'll give you a recap of one point I made, Greene was drafted in the 3rd round by the Jets in 2009, a team that had no one on offense except Greene, he happened to lead the Jets to the AFC championship game in 2009 and 2010, his rookie and 2nd year in the league......enuff said. Unless a team has a back with the running style of Greene, the right move is to take a Greene style runner over a McCoy style runner anytime, because the McCoy style runners need more help from the OL than the Greene style runners. The McCoy style runners don't pick up the crucial 3 and 2, not only that, they don't get the long runs during playoff time, the defense are too good during playoffs, that's when you need the downhill bruisers to soften them up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judunno Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 17 minutes ago, EagleVA said: So you're going to pick one play to define a back? That's just one example. He finished runs pretty well this year. Didn't shy away from contact. Ran with some power at times. Problem IMO was not enough touches on the ground and in the air for Swift. The run concepts were also never adjusted to account for Hurts being unable to run. OL never got back in a groove. I like the idea of having two different styles of backs though. Was hoping Penny would be that other guy but his pass pro apparently kept him off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 11 minutes ago, Erie said: Make it stop. Westbrook was NOT a bruising back. But he was highly productive. And to call him a wuss? I'll tell the story one more time, this is something I saw over and over, again and again with Wussbrook. Crucial 3rd and 2 to preserve a victory or mount a comeback from 2 points down, the ball is snapped, the handoff goes to Wussbrook, there's a hole, Wussbrook sees it with his great vision, he knows he can get the first down, with his great vision he also sees the LB filling the hole and knows he going to get popped right at the 1st down mark, he also sees a pack of Olinemen, time after time he'd run into the pile of Olinemen just so he didn't take that pop at the 1st down mark. Hey, if you guys didn't see that then you have no idea of what to watch during games, it happened countless times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, judunno said: That's just one example. He finished runs pretty well this year. Oh yeah, he finished runs alright, by diving into the turf to avoid getting popped, it happened countless times, did you miss all of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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