You basically would want Stoll or Kelce type blockers up front. Guys that can lock on the opponents coming from a few yards away. Big immobile G types probably wouldn’t work. Gotta latch on in a bit of space to block. But don’t need the hands type players now. So smaller guys aren’t really needed on the front of the return.

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes, I already pointed this out 🤣 like hitting your own players in the back

Yeah I’d assume this would fall under a kick not landing in The Landing Zone. Ball placed at the 40.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah I’d assume this would fall under a kick not landing in The Landing Zone. Ball placed at the 40.

But you could have your own players crouch over a bit if a lower line drive was your approach. You can’t control the return team however. Why I brought up just placing your hands up high for the block. You’re lining up between the 35 and 30 on returns. So this would cut down on the angle to land the ball between the 20 and endzone on a low line drive kick some.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah I’d assume this would fall under a kick not landing in The Landing Zone. Ball placed at the 40.

Next up,jump balls at midfield and face off circles for scrums after a penalty and instead of yards players go to the penalty box Anything besides football

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But you could have your own players crouch over a bit if a lower line drive was your approach. You can’t control the return team however. Why I brought up just placing your hands up high for the block. You’re lining up between the 35 and 30 on returns. So this would cut down on the angle to land the ball between the 20 and endzone on a low line drive kick some.

If your hands hit the ball,then thats moving before the ball gets to the landing zone,so getting possession would be illegal since the KO team touched the ball first

Once the ball is in flight the other team has to touch it first

Is there still a fair catch rule? It would be more fun if that was dropped since you have a free shot at the ball before anyone moves. I suspect there would be none anyhow,but if you muff the catch guys are alot closer now to be able to recover it. Your ST guys(kicking team) need to be those guys with quick cone and shuttle times. On the receiving end same deal,so I'm wondering what those times were on the players we drafted as some rooks will be pulling ST duty. Maybe we should get Devon Allen on the roster? Covey had some nice returns for us as well

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/players-roster/ Dylan McMahon-age N/A WHAT????

22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If your hands hit the ball,then thats moving before the ball gets to the landing zone,so getting possession would be illegal since the KO team touched the ball first

Not if you didn’t move

16 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Is there still a fair catch rule? It would be more fun if that was dropped since you have a free shot at the ball before anyone moves. I suspect there would be none anyhow,but if you muff the catch guys are alot closer now to be able to recover it. Your ST guys(kicking team) need to be those guys with quick cone and shuttle times. On the receiving end same deal,so I'm wondering what those times were on the players we drafted as some rooks will be pulling ST duty. Maybe we should get Devon Allen on the roster? Covey had some nice returns for us as well

Gotta be able to tackle and disengage from the blocks to be on the kicking side of things.

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/players-roster/ Dylan McMahon-age N/A WHAT????

Yeah I noticed a few guys for that. Wouldn’t think it would be difficult thing to correct. Pretty goofy…but only just the few hard core fans looking at the deep roster in  May are noticing. 

Yeah pretty sure I read you can still down the ball in the endzone. Pretty lame. Should be a mandatory return.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah pretty sure I read you can still down the ball in the endzone. Pretty lame. Should be a mandatory return.

Kick must be returned in the landing zone. Can be downed if it reaches the end zone. So fair catching is gone.

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3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The kick has to land in The Landing Zone

Sure... wouldn't you assume blocking the kick from doing that would be some kind of interference?   But also... I would assume the kick needs to be much higher anyway... that's 15 more yards it has to travel and the ball would already have traveled 30 yards...one would think the blockers standing on their 35 yard line is the exact middle of the distance the kicker is trying to land the ball.   So at that point it should clear the blockers by a decent amount.  

Figure the kickers want to land the ball around the 5... that's 60 yards from their 35.   Halfway is the other 35 where the blockers are.

Also I'm imagining the blockers need to avoid touching the ball first...if there are designated " returners".

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Which would coincide with defending against a line drive kick. The players can’t move(except for two Returners). So always could have accurate line drive kicks that go through the holes in the defenders.

I don't think so.... ball should be still kicked over the blockers. 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You basically would want Stoll or Kelce type blockers up front. Guys that can lock on the opponents coming from a few yards away. Big immobile G types probably wouldn’t work. Gotta latch on in a bit of space to block. But don’t need the hands type players now. So smaller guys aren’t really needed on the front of the return.

I think you see OL out there for sure.... 5 yards away...basically an OT and and Edge in a wide 9.  It's going to be more like a run play than an old school return.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But you could have your own players crouch over a bit if a lower line drive was your approach. You can’t control the return team however. Why I brought up just placing your hands up high for the block. You’re lining up between the 35 and 30 on returns. So this would cut down on the angle to land the ball between the 20 and endzone on a low line drive kick some.

Lol... you tell me a kicker that can kick the ball 60 yards and not have the ball get to atleaast 9 or 10 feet at the apex.  No shot. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kick must be returned in the landing zone. Can be downed if it reaches the end zone. So fair catching is gone.

But then it comes to the 20.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Sure... wouldn't you assume blocking the kick from doing that would be some kind of interference?   But also... I would assume the kick needs to be much higher anyway... that's 15 more yards it has to travel and the ball would already have traveled 30 yards...one would think the blockers standing on their 35 yard line is the exact middle of the distance the kicker is trying to land the ball.   So at that point it should clear the blockers by a decent amount.  

Figure the kickers want to land the ball around the 5... that's 60 yards from their 35.   Halfway is the other 35 where the blockers are.

Also I'm imagining the blockers need to avoid touching the ball first...if there are designated " returners".

Except none of that is in the rules. The rule is you can’t move until the call hits the ground or is touched. The ball being kicked into you I can’t see where that scenario is covered in the rules.

 Now the trajectory of a line drive kick would be the other thought involved. I believe it is a factor. The K could specifically kick it in between the players. That would mute any point about raising hands or hitting players. Could say that players with raised arms would create a space of 8.5 feet the kick would have to be above the ground to clear. One foot on the 35 …with a couple players being at the 30. The kick needing to land in between the 20 and Endzone. Kickers are very gifted. But this frames the window opening for them to work with.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I don't think so.... ball should be still kicked over the blockers. 

My point is ….it would have to…if the ‘blockers’ raise their arms it does tighten the trajectory angles available.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I think you see OL out there for sure.... 5 yards away...basically an OT and and Edge in a wide 9.  It's going to be more like a run play than an old school return.

5 yards is substantial enough. It’s basically like Oline getting at off ball LBs to block them…more like.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Sure... wouldn't you assume blocking the kick from doing that would be some kind of interference?   But also... I would assume the kick needs to be much higher anyway... that's 15 more yards it has to travel and the ball would already have traveled 30 yards...one would think the blockers standing on their 35 yard line is the exact middle of the distance the kicker is trying to land the ball.   So at that point it should clear the blockers by a decent amount.  

Figure the kickers want to land the ball around the 5... that's 60 yards from their 35.   Halfway is the other 35 where the blockers are.

Also I'm imagining the blockers need to avoid touching the ball first...if there are designated " returners".

Whats the difference if the kick goes straight into a blockers stomach? If the blocker doesn’t move…in fact he can’t move…”to avoid touching.”

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I think you see OL out there for sure.... 5 yards away...basically an OT and and Edge in a wide 9.  It's going to be more like a run play than an old school return.

Your example would be half that distance.

But I’m just pointing out the trajectory difference needed to clear 6’2” to 8’6”….to nail it in The Landing Zone…which I consider not a real large target. 20 yards deep. Just it being a factor.