5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not joking.   Both sides have said bad things and these bad things being spoken have consequences.   Is there a direct line from Trump to what happened Jan 6?  Sure.  Ok.   Is there a direct line from Schumer to assassination attempt on Kavanaugh?   Not direct.   But, when the statements made are vitriolic and are specifically focused on one particular issue... And there's a leak from the Supreme Court about a decision that was coming on this very issue (when has that ever happened before, btw) and between the leak and the official ruling coming out has an assassination attempt, I think there's a strong connection.  Not to Schumer's direct comment, but that comment was emblematic of the feeling towards the Supreme Court for those 2 years.  And he (and plenty of others) made plenty of inflammatory speeches directed at the Supreme Court in the two years in between.  The feelings ramped up during those two years, because it continued to be fueled. 

Far far too much dehumanization of individuals by both sides and far too much flippancy in the type of rhetoric being tossed around... again by both sides.  

The words our political leaders use matter and they need to measure their speech much more carefully.  There are nut jobs on both sides that are willing to do unspeakable things believing that they are doing what's right, because, once again, the ends justify the means.  Words matter.  And our politicians need to be careful about their words. 

Both drivers in my analogy above broke the law. One got a speeding ticket, the other caused a massive pile up that resulted in deaths. But continuing to harp on the fact that both drivers broke the law is understating the severity of the drunk driver's behavior. It's a major disservice to those who died or were injured in the pile up (which was a direct result of the drunk driver's actions), to frame it with a retort of the driver who got a speeding ticket.

30 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

You guys act like Trump issued this guys gear and told them what to do.  

They were a bunch of idiots protestors, and many of them took it too far.

At no point was our country or system of govt under any threat whatsoever.  

a- never mentioned trump. you may want to have you TDS looked into

b- yes and some of them were willing to go too far, like the guy with the zip ties

c - the intent was there. that's the point you cucks refuse to acknowledge and kind of reckless behavior it ushers in. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ok good, so since we agree their motive was to delay certification in an effort to allow Trump to remain in power, then that begs the question as to why they came to understand that.

Someone must've instructed them to do so, right? After all, they sure seemed to be pretty angry with Mike Pence about it. So what about Trump and his co-conspirators? Sure seemed like they also thought it could help him remain as President, since I doubt they were they doing this just for entertainment purposes.  What would you say was their next step of their plan if certification was delayed?

They did delay certification, and then they all went home.  If they were actually trying to overthrow the government, they would have remained in the Capitol until they had their government in place or until they had a shootout with law enforcement and/or surrendered.   But they weren’t an actually rebellion.  This wasn’t the Bundy’s in 2016 overtaking a federal building and remaining there for 40 days until finally surrendering to authorities.  That’s an example of an actual rebellious group.  

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

They did delay certification, and then they all went home.  If they were actually trying to overthrow the government, they would have remained in the Capitol until they had their government in place or until they had a shootout with law enforcement and/or surrendered.   But they weren’t an actually rebellion.  This wasn’t the Bundy’s in 2016 overtaking a federal building and remaining there for 40 days until finally surrendering to authorities.  That’s an example of an actual rebellious group.  

Can you at least explain why they were pepper spraying cops and beating them over the head?

Seems a bit over the top...

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Both drivers in my analogy above broke the law. One got a speeding ticket, the other caused a massive pile up that resulted in deaths. But continuing to harp on the fact that both drivers broke the law is understating the severity of the drunk driver's behavior. It's a disservice to those who died or were injured in the pile up which was a direct result of the drunk driver's action, to frame it as a retort to the driver who got a speeding ticket.

Kavanaugh's death was averted, but it nearly ended in death.  The death of a Supreme Court justice is a massively impactful one across the entire country.

All deaths are tragic, and I am not trying to minimize any deaths in this discussion.  But, it was only by the grace of God that the assassination attempt on Kavanaugh was averted.  And that individual was planning to kill 3 justices, not just Kavanaugh.   Fortunately, he lost his nerve and called the police on himself.  A troubled kid no doubt. 

My point remains, both sides need to step back and measure their words... and both need to claim some responsibility for where things are now.

 

2 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Can you at least explain why they were pepper spraying cops and beating them over the head?

Seems a bit over the top...

they also smeared sheet on the walls. that seems.....strange. 

10 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

They did delay certification, and then they all went home.  If they were actually trying to overthrow the government, they would have remained in the Capitol until they had their government in place or until they had a shootout with law enforcement and/or surrendered.   But they weren’t an actually rebellion.  This wasn’t the Bundy’s in 2016 overtaking a federal building and remaining there for 40 days until finally surrendering to authorities.  That’s an example of an actual rebellious group.  

They were trying to delay it beyond that day, obviously. But you still didn't answer my question. Why would Trump even want to delay certification? You're being evasive, because I think you know exactly where this ends.

 

3 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Can you at least explain why they were pepper spraying cops and beating them over the head?

Seems a bit over the top...

It was just part of the interactive tour, like a field trip to a candy factory. They let the kids stir the chocolate, but they’re not actually making the chocolate.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Kavanaugh's death was averted, but it nearly ended in death.  The death of a Supreme Court justice is a massively impactful one across the entire country.

All deaths are tragic, and I am not trying to minimize any deaths in this discussion.  But, it was only by the grace of God that the assassination attempt on Kavanaugh was averted.  And that individual was planning to kill 3 justices, not just Kavanaugh.   Fortunately, he lost his nerve and called the police on himself.  A troubled kid no doubt. 

My point remains, both sides need to step back and measure their words... and both need to claim some responsibility for where things are now.

 

Driving over the speed limit can nearly end in deaths too. But in this analogy, the driver who was speeding turned himself in. And the attempt to draw the line from incitement to attack is very bright and clear in one case, and very faint and fuzzy in the other. So again, if you're going to try to say two cases are "equally disgraceful" I'm gonna call it out and show you specifically why it's a ridiculous statement and a massive reach that reeks of political bias.  

17 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

Treatment -- band-aid

Diagnosis -- scratch

Condition -- Fat

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Far far too much dehumanization of individuals by both sides and far too much flippancy in the type of rhetoric being tossed around... again by both sides.

This part I agree on.

However, the actions of Trump, Jan6, refusal to accept the 2020 election, the likes of MTG, ++, give one side the clear nod. Several posters in here will agree that both sides are part of the problem but there aren’t any that will assign the blame equally (maybe one). 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Treatment -- band-aid

Diagnosis -- scratch

Condition -- Fat

c'mon, man. i'm serious. i think this is my first conspiracy theory so i'm really trying to do my own research and all that so i'm doing it correctly. 

9 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

they also smeared sheet on the walls. that seems.....strange. 

ok let's not be TOO judgmental...

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Can you at least explain why they were pepper spraying cops and beating them over the head?

Seems a bit over the top...

Clearly they just had a Daniel Day-Lewis level of commitment to their cosplay roles. Duh. 

Just now, DEagle7 said:

Clearly they just had a Daniel Day-Lewis level of commitment to their cosplay roles. Duh. 

just a bunch of larpers meandering around. 

You know you've taken Both Sidesism to a new extreme when even DrPhilly is like, "Hold up, bruh".

2 minutes ago, toolg said:

Dude, this is disgusting and in horribly poor taste. You're in effect advocating for the assassination of politicians you don't like. It's not sane behavior.

1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Is he a moron, a liar, and a POS?  Absolutely, yes.   If he wins the presidency, does that mean it's the end of democracy as we know it?  Absolutely not.   The left gets into hysterics over Trump which doesn't help their cause at all and just makes them lose credibility.   The fact that we are even talking about "if he wins the election" shows that.  With actual coups and actual takeovers, there is no "if he wins the election", they just take power.  

You're whistling past the graveyard. 

He tried to steal an election in his capacity as commander in chief. Not just in the courts - he watched his sycophants sack the Capitol. 

That he ultimately failed to steal the election should not end with a "no harm no foul" - it should be treated with an appropriate amount of concern that he will try to seal himself into power again. 

He shouldn't get within 1,000 miles of the White House. 

1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Obviously not a coincidence.  They were trying to (and successfully) disrupted the tallying of electoral votes.  A group of moronic aholes?  Yes.  A rebel group trying to overthrow the government?   No.  They clearly didn't have the will and the taste for that.   More like bored losers cosplaying thinking they are something more than they really are, just like those antifa idiots. 

Nonsense. They failed because the Senators and Congressmen there to certify the election managed to escape with the help of the Capitol Police.

Had Pence, Pelosi, etc. been there who knows what would have happened, but I don't think it would have been pretty.

I see we're far enough away from 1/6/21 where we're cool with downplaying the significance of that event. Cosplay lol

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I see we're fsr enough away from 1/6/21 where we're cool with downplaying the sigficance of that event. Cosplay lol

I don't get it. Terp is usually a fairly objective dude. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone right now. Hopefully this isn't how he truly feels and just got really carried away with pushing back against the "Trump is literally Hitler" argument.

49 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

And we will never see it. Just like his Tax returns.

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Driving over the speed limit can nearly end in deaths too. But in this analogy, the driver who was speeding turned himself in. And the attempt to draw the line from incitement to attack is very bright and clear in one case, and very faint and fuzzy in the other. So again, if you're going to try to say two cases are "equally disgraceful" I'm gonna call it out and show you specifically why it's a ridiculous statement and a massive reach that reeks of political bias.  

I admit that I have an ideological bias, rather than a political one.  With that said... I don't have a horse in this race... and I haven't for quite some time. 

Bowing out here now.