July 24, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Next_Up said: Says you Can't even respond to the right poster you're so triggered
July 24, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Can't even respond to the right poster you're so triggered I was responding to the intended poster. It was making fun of you, not responding to you. I know, I know, "word salad" coming down the pike once you tire of your triggered mantra. How's the welfare state? "West Virginia – receives nearly as much in support as tax payers send to the federal government each year." When are you going to send thank you cards to the liberal states keep your inbred party boat afloat?
July 24, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Next_Up said: I was responding to the intended poster. It was making fun of you, not responding to you. I know, I know, "word salad" coming down the pike once you tire of your triggered mantra. How's the welfare state? "West Virginia – receives nearly as much in support as tax payers send to the federal government each year." When are you going to send that thank you cards to the liberal states keep your inbred party boat afloat? Good job making fun of me by quoting another poster. You got me, totally got me! Also, WV used to be a Dem state until the party abandoned it. Enjoy that electricity courtesy of our inbred party coal and natural gas!
July 24, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: Enjoy that electricity courtesy of our inbred party coal and natural gas! oh i do and i salute you and your black lungs for it.
July 24, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Good job making fun of me by quoting another poster. You got me, totally got me! Also, WV used to be a Dem state until the party abandoned it. Enjoy that electricity courtesy of our inbred party coal and natural gas! I'm already enjoying climate change because of your coal and natural gas. Keep peddling global demise. The only thing I can think of thanking your sorry @ss state for is Bill Withers.
July 24, 20241 yr Author Dems used to hold down the working class vote, but they’ve lost that demographic completely.
July 24, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: Ok. So they're not even pretending he was shot any more. At some point, the press are going to start asking for full disclosure and transparency about Trump’s medical treatment. At no point in time did or does this look like a bullet wound. As I said before, best case scenario for Trump and his campaign, this was a superficial wound from debris. Trump’s problem is he’s gone full throttle on this "taking a bullet in the ear for democracy”, which is ludicrous on the face of it. The examining physician(s) at the hospital would have diagnosed and told Trump exactly what the wound diagnosis was. So, then we’re left with Trump being a wilfully lying POS again.
July 24, 20241 yr Just now, Alphagrand said: At some point, the press are going to start asking for full disclosure and transparency about Trump’s medical treatment. At no point in time did or does this look like a bullet wound. As I said before, best case scenario for Trump and his campaign, this was a superficial wound from debris. Trump’s problem is he’s gone full throttle on this "taking a bullet in the ear for democracy”, which is ludicrous on the face of it. The examining physician(s) at the hospital would have diagnosed and told Trump exactly what the wound diagnosis was. So, then we’re left with Trump being a wilfully lying POS again. I agree with everything except the press asking for full disclosure. They're all in on Trump's narrative on this one. I haven't heard of them pressing him for any info at all.
July 24, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, Next_Up said: I'm already enjoying climate change because of your coal and natural gas. Keep peddling global demise. The only thing I can think of thanking your sorry @ss state for is Bill Withers. GLOBAL DEMISE!!!
July 24, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: At some point, the press are going to start asking for full disclosure and transparency about Trump’s medical treatment. Trump is protected by HIPAA. So he is going to take full advantage, make up whatever story is going to cook up the most sympathy and leverage it.
July 24, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, Next_Up said: I'm already enjoying climate change because of your coal and natural gas. Keep peddling global demise. The only thing I can think of thanking your sorry @ss state for is Bill Withers. Ain't no sunshine, since he's gone.
July 24, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, Next_Up said: I'm already enjoying climate change because of your coal and natural gas. Keep peddling global demise. The only thing I can think of thanking your sorry @ss state for is Bill Withers. dude! this is our tailgate's theme song !!
July 24, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Dems used to hold down the working class vote, but they’ve lost that demographic completely. I see a parallel with decline of labor union membership.
July 24, 20241 yr 32 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Dems used to hold down the working class vote, but they’ve lost that demographic completely. I blame McNabb or The Clintons
July 24, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, toolg said: I see a parallel with decline of labor union membership. I think it's far simpler than that. I know and have met a lot of old-school union types, some of which are in mine and my wife's extended family. I noticed a shift starting with Obama which then really picked up steam with Trump. They hate political correctness and loved that Trump "tells it like it is". They've also flat out admitted there's a mix of overt and covert racism among the rank and file. Now, they're not blind either, they know one party is still more pro-labor than the other, but they see Trump's protectionist / populist policies (especially on immigration) as being "close enough" and the dog whistles are music to their ears. The ones I know most personally are retired and watch FNC 24/7 which means they'll never break out of their trance, so I try to avoid or change the subject as much as possible when it inevitably comes up.
July 24, 20241 yr Trump shooter searched JFK's assassin, flew drone over rally area, had explosives in car: FBI director
July 24, 20241 yr Author 18 minutes ago, Next_Up said: I blame McNabb or The Clintons In that order though, right?
July 24, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I think it's far simpler than that. I know and have met a lot of old-school union types, some of which are in mine and my wife's extended family. I noticed a shift starting with Obama which then really picked up steam with Trump. They hate political correctness and loved that Trump "tells it like it is". They've also flat out admitted there's a mix of overt and covert racism among the rank and file. Now, they're not blind either, they know one party is still more pro-labor than the other, but they see Trump's protectionist / populist policies (especially on immigration) as being "close enough" and the dog whistles are music to their ears. The ones I know most personally are retired and watch FNC 24/7 which means they'll never break out of their trance, so I try to avoid or change the subject as much as possible when it inevitably comes up. That's not "simple" at all, that's nuanced liberal fanfic. Here's the actual simple explanation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_coal And then Hillary said this: "We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." The Dems abandoned working class for liberal, save-the-world, climate nonsense.
July 24, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: That's not "simple" at all, that's nuanced liberal fanfic. Here's the actual simple explanation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_coal And then Hillary said this: "We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." The Dems abandoned working class for liberal, save-the-world, climate nonsense. I was speaking anecdotally. We don't have coal mines here, moron.
July 24, 20241 yr There are just over 8 million jobs in renewable energy today. In 2021 and 2022, energy jobs grew faster than overall U.S. employment.
July 24, 20241 yr 59 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Dems used to hold down the working class vote, but they’ve lost that demographic completely. 100% They used to center their position on class lines and that all changed with the center along intersectionality lines instead which ended up with chunks of the working class looking for other representation.
July 24, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: That's not "simple" at all, that's nuanced liberal fanfic. Here's the actual simple explanation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_coal And then Hillary said this: "We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." The Dems abandoned working class for liberal, save-the-world, climate nonsense. The Dems abandoned coal mines. So did the GOP. There is a reason that coal accounts for less than a 1/5 of our energy usage. The amount of coal used each day in the U.S. has fallen from about 2.8 million tons a day in 2008 to about 1.1 million tons a day in 2023—a 62% drop. Trump promised to revive coal, but the clock won't go backwards. Quote Mr. Trump oversaw coal’s decline, not its salvation. Despite the fact that Mr. Trump gutted climate regulations and appointed a coal lobbyist to lead the country’s top environmental agency, 75 coal-fired power plants closed and the industry shed about 13,000 jobs during his presidency. "Not a single coal miner went back to work or power plant saved,” said Erin E. Bates, a spokeswoman for the United Mine Workers of America, the labor organization representing coal miners. Sucks for WV, but the Let's Go Brandon stores have it worse than you.
July 24, 20241 yr https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/05/bidens-labor-report-card-historian-gives-union-joe-higher-grade-any-president-fdr/397002/ Quote In 2021, Biden encouraged workers at an Amazon facility in Alabama to vote in favor of joining a union. In a video message, he asserted that there should be "no intimidation, no coercion, no threats, no anti-union propaganda” from employers toward unionizing efforts. In 2022, Biden used executive orders to improve conditions for work on federal projects, including the use of project labor agreements for federal construction projects, which requires the hiring of unionized workers. His administration also created new rules around pay equity for federal workers. In 2023, he became the first president to walk a picket line, which happened during the most effective United Auto Workers strike in decades. The historical record indicates that no prior president had ever even considered taking such an action. In the month of April alone, it banned the noncompete clauses that can stop workers from taking another job in their same line of work if they quit, expanded eligibility for overtime pay to people making up to US$58,656 a year, up from its current cap of $35,568, and pushed pension funds to only invest in companies that adhere to high labor standards. Biden's been the most pro-labor president we've had since FDR and it's not particularly close. Obviously ya'll aren't wrong, a lot of the working class has moved right but it has nothing to do with actual policies and it has nothing to do with some rando quote from Hilary Clinton (outside of WV, a state that will happily vote Republican here on out even as they leave them for dead).
July 24, 20241 yr 28 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Trump shooter searched JFK's assassin, flew drone over rally area, had explosives in car: FBI director Meanwhile...
July 24, 20241 yr Years ago Democrats cultivated a relationship with the working class as friends to the labor movement. As time progressed and the economy changed, union jobs declined, so they moved apart. Democrats took up other positions and workers were left looking for other representation. Pretty easy to see how blue-collar workers felt abandoned. Democrats told them to change with the times and they said "no".
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