2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There’s been rumors the Flyers are in on eichel too. Im not willing to give up farabee or TK in a jones deal. Jones needs an extension and he wants out of Columbus. I much rather give up Patrick, Myers, 2 firsts and frost before giving up farabee and TK. That’s still a high price to pay for jones. 

TK or Farabee can go is Laine is coming back. I don’t want to trade Frost until we see him this year. If he doesn’t show it this year, he could be a trade candidate down the line. 

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

TK or Farabee can go is Laine is coming back. I don’t want to trade Frost until we see him this year. If he doesn’t show it this year, he could be a trade candidate down the line. 

The problem in your scenario is if frost doesn’t show this year it hurts his value. He’s 22 and at the end of next year 23. If he shows you aren’t going to want to deal him and if he doesn’t his value decreases. I’d trade TK tbh. He is good but i just think you have guys who can replace him with and gets some salary off the cap 

On 6/24/2021 at 11:38 AM, devpool said:

The Kraken hired Hakstol as their first coach 

It's funny until you realize that we really haven't done much better since he left.

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

We really haven't done much better since he left.

Last season was the best this team has looked in years. The team was terrible this year under ridiculous circumstances that they clearly handled terribly and way worse than the rest of the league. What they did differently, who knows but apparently it didn't work.

At the very least we get to see young players playing instead of Dale weise, jore lehtera, Chris vandevelde, and Pierre eduard bellemare every night. Hakstol sucks and was a big reason this team under achieved during his time here.

33 minutes ago, devpool said:

Last season was the best this team has looked in years. The team was terrible this year under ridiculous circumstances that they clearly handled terribly and way worse than the rest of the league. What they did differently, who knows but apparently it didn't work.

At the very least we get to see young players playing instead of Dale weise, jore lehtera, Chris vandevelde, and Pierre eduard bellemare every night. Hakstol sucks and was a big reason this team under achieved during his time here.

Hakstol, indeed, sucked, but they haven't followed it up with anything inspiring. I'm more inclined to think that last year was the outlier. If they were to trade away young talent like Farabee and Konecny for a guy like Jones who only has one year left on his contract and is coming off the worst season of his career, it would just be another typically idiotic, short-sighted move from the Flyers. This whole organization is a house of cards.

7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Hakstol, indeed, sucked, but they haven't followed it up with anything inspiring. I'm more inclined to think that last year was the outlier. If they were to trade away young talent like Farabee and Konecny for a guy like Jones who only has one year left on his contract and is coming off the worst season of his career, it would just be another typically idiotic, short-sighted move from the Flyers. This whole organization is a house of cards.

I’m pretty sure jones is getting extended if they made the trade based off what i read. I think jones ultimately will be fine. Columbus in general was a mess. He’s only 26 i think he’ll turn it back to what he was. That said i wouldn’t trade farabee. Frankly i wouldn’t trade TK but if you are going to do that move rather have farabee than TK. I think farabee has a ceiling that’s higher 

All I know is the Flyers will screw it up. 

7 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Hakstol, indeed, sucked, but they haven't followed it up with anything inspiring. I'm more inclined to think that last year was the outlier. If they were to trade away young talent like Farabee and Konecny for a guy like Jones who only has one year left on his contract and is coming off the worst season of his career, it would just be another typically idiotic, short-sighted move from the Flyers. This whole organization is a house of cards.

If they do trade for jones they wouldn't do it without extending him also, and you're going to have to give up someone promising to do it be it one of those two or sanheim. Having his worst year at age 26 in a crazy season after years of high end productivity isn't a big deal to me, that screams anomaly.

I would say this year was an outlier. The odds of every single player on the team minus farabee and giroux regressing in the fashion they did are astronomical, there is no way the entire team is that bad this upcoming season. They aren't all going to become superstars but even returning back to the norm makes them an easy playoff team. 

 

5 hours ago, devpool said:

If they do trade for jones they wouldn't do it without extending him also, and you're going to have to give up someone promising to do it be it one of those two or sanheim. Having his worst year at age 26 in a crazy season after years of high end productivity isn't a big deal to me, that screams anomaly.

I would say this year was an outlier. The odds of every single player on the team minus farabee and giroux regressing in the fashion they did are astronomical, there is no way the entire team is that bad this upcoming season. They aren't all going to become superstars but even returning back to the norm makes them an easy playoff team. 

 

I really don't want to give up Farabee. I'm admittedly biased, but this kid could really be a bonafide superstar.

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I really don't want to give up Farabee. I'm admittedly biased, but this kid could really be a bonafide superstar.

I think for sure they're going to lose sanheim in a trade for a top d-man, hopefully that plus picks is enough to knock a second player's value down a bit to maybe like a lacyznski or rubstov. Hell send Patrick and sanheim, maybe we won't have to give anything more than an added first.

If it were me, I would probably start with sanheim and 2 firsts. They would never take that but that's where I would start. If the flyers make this trade it's gonna be huge and we're likely gonna lose someone we like, but it solidifies the top pair for probably the next 5 years at least

Not sure which team has worse outlook, Phillies or Flyers

11 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Not sure which team has worse outlook, Phillies or Flyers

Phillies by far. Their farm system is terrible and that team is going to be basically .500 team for the next 3-4 years before they realize they gotta tear it all down again 

15 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Not sure which team has worse outlook, Phillies or Flyers

It is so easily the Phillies, the flyers are the second best team in the city right now and the eagles and Phillies are far behind. If the team reverts back to the norm they'll be the best team in the city as they were last season. One nightmare season in the middle of an unheard of pandemic does not make them equal to the phillies.

4 minutes ago, devpool said:

It is so easily the Phillies, the flyers are the second best team in the city right now and the eagles and Phillies are far behind. If the team reverts back to the norm they'll be the best team in the city as they were last season. One nightmare season in the middle of an unheard of pandemic does not make them equal to the phillies.

I agree with most of this however this isn’t a one year issue for the Flyers. Literally for 10 years they’ve alternated making and missing the playoffs. First time in any sport ever. That’s cause they are good one year and bad/below average the next year.

Let’s not pretend it was solely the pandemic as to why the Flyers just took a step back this year. They’ve literally alternated making and missing the playoffs For 10 years. That’s not a one year thing. The pandemic definitely didn’t help matters whatsoever but this has been par of the course for the Flyers since the Richards and Carter trades 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with most of this however this isn’t a one year issue for the Flyers. Literally for 10 years they’ve alternated making and missing the playoffs. First time in any sport ever. That’s cause they are good one year and bad/below average the next year.

Let’s not pretend it was solely the pandemic as to why the Flyers just took a step back this year. They’ve literally alternated making and missing the playoffs For 10 years. That’s not a one year thing. The pandemic definitely didn’t help matters whatsoever but this has been par of the course for the Flyers since the Richards and Carter trades 

I mean they finally had consistent above average goaltending for the first time in years last year and look what happened. This year that goalie regressed horribly and they still were in the playoff hunt in the last month and a half. With consistent goaltending this team easily makes the playoffs year in and year out.

You can easily count the pandemic, this is AV's second year and he gets to deal with that and clearly didn't handle it well, whatever they did. Without the pandemic I'm pretty confident this team easily makes the playoffs as they did last year.

They could never get everything going at the same time until last year, and then the pandemic hits and they can never practice and lo and behold they can't get anything going. If they suck again this year, there's a problem. But they improved so much in one year under AV that it's easy to say that the pandemic and it's ridiculous schedule hurt this team, which is at least partly their fault because no other team had these issues. 

14 minutes ago, devpool said:

I mean they finally had consistent above average goaltending for the first time in years last year and look what happened. This year that goalie regressed horribly and they still were in the playoff hunt in the last month and a half. With consistent goaltending this team easily makes the playoffs year in and year out.

You can easily count the pandemic, this is AV's second year and he gets to deal with that and clearly didn't handle it well, whatever they did. Without the pandemic I'm pretty confident this team easily makes the playoffs as they did last year.

They could never get everything going at the same time until last year, and then the pandemic hits and they can never practice and lo and behold they can't get anything going. If they suck again this year, there's a problem. But they improved so much in one year under AV that it's easy to say that the pandemic and it's ridiculous schedule hurt this team, which is at least partly their fault because no other team had these issues. 

I’m not saying the pandemic didn’t have a role in this but they’ve done this for an entire decade of making and missing the playoffs. They’ve gone through multiple coaches and have had similar issues year to year with consistency. So just putting the pandemic as a sole reason this happened is a false narrative because they’ve shown nine years previous to this year that they’ve had this issue. Think about that they are the only franchise in the four major sports to have ever accomplish that feat for a decade. So this isn’t just a one year thing this is been an entire decade

I look at it this way, there is a 10 year window and sample size of the Flyers make the playoffs and then missed the playoffs so I will look at it as they very well might have missed the playoffs even if there wasn’t a pandemic because that’s what they’ve consistently accomplished. They are maddeningly inconsistent year to year regardless of players and coaches or pandemic for 10 years

yes they had more consistent goaltending in 2019-2020, they didn’t get to practice as much and other factors with the pandemic. They werent the only team in the NHL that was dealing with that issue. The avs, the lightning, Boston, the Islanders, the Penguins and some others were still good dealt with the same issues the Flyers did. Only the Flyers and stars completely dropped off from being title contenders to missing the playoffs. Canucks and flames missed the playoffs but they were the 7 and 8 seeded teams in the west so would’ve been the two wild cards last year so not nearly as much of drop off. 

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not saying the pandemic didn’t have a role in this but they’ve done this for an entire decade of making and missing the playoffs. They’ve gone through multiple coaches and have had similar issues year to year with consistency. So just putting the pandemic as a sole reason this happened is a false narrative because they’ve shown nine years previous to this year that they’ve had this issue. Think about that they are the only franchise in the four major sports to have ever accomplish that feat for a decade. So this isn’t just a one year thing this is been an entire decade

I look at it this way, there is a 10 year window and sample size of the Flyers make the playoffs and then missed the playoffs so I will look at it as they very well might have missed the playoffs even if there wasn’t a pandemic because that’s what they’ve consistently accomplished. They are maddeningly inconsistent year to year regardless of players and coaches or pandemic for 10 years

yes they had more consistent goaltending in 2019-2020, they didn’t get to practice as much and other factors with the pandemic. They werent the only team in the NHL that was dealing with that issue. The avs, the lightning, Boston, the Islanders, the Penguins and some others were still good dealt with the same issues the Flyers did. Only the Flyers and stars completely dropped off from being title contenders to missing the playoffs. Canucks and flames missed the playoffs but they were the 7 and 8 seeded teams in the west so would’ve been the two wild cards last year so not nearly as much of drop off. 

I've acknowledged this already, and said whatever they did to combat corona clearly didn't work compared to what other teams did. There is no real explanation for why a team would be stuck in this playoff pattern so there's no real reason to bring it up. It can't be attributed or correlated to anything 

56 minutes ago, devpool said:

I've acknowledged this already, and said whatever they did to combat corona clearly didn't work compared to what other teams did. There is no real explanation for why a team would be stuck in this playoff pattern so there's no real reason to bring it up. It can't be attributed or correlated to anything 

What? Theres damn good reason to bring it up. It keeps freaking happening even without a pandemic and a reason is the core players on this team 

They are stuck in this cycle prior to the pandemic for 8 seasons (not including this season and when they faced the islanders in the previous season) that means there’s just as much of a chance without corona/pandemic that they would’ve reverted and miss the playoffs. Cause that’s who they are for 10 consecutive seasons. It’s correlated to this team is wildly inconsistent year to year. at some point when you have 4 different coaches and it happens continuously a big part of it is probably your players and probably leadership when your team tends to no show for periods of games and stretches of the season. They have had teams who should’ve at least qualified for the playoffs and just didn’t play well enough to be a WC team and reverted back to a lottery team. Please don’t give me they had teams that weren’t talented enough to make the playoffs those years. I call bull crap they’ve had the talent, they just reverted to being inconsistent 

it’s been a problem for 10 season and you casual dismiss like it’s normal that no other team for a decade has ever done that. Their recent history indicates they were more likely even if there wasnt a pandemic to miss the postseason. It’s important because with 4 different coaches it has happened. Speaks to its more your culture and your players progressions and leadership  

 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What? Theres damn good reason to bring it up. It keeps freaking happening even without a pandemic and a reason is the core players on this team 

They are stuck in this cycle prior to the pandemic for 8 seasons (not including this season and when they faced the islanders in the previous season) that means there’s just as much of a chance without corona/pandemic that they would’ve reverted and miss the playoffs. Cause that’s who they are for 10 consecutive seasons. It’s correlated to this team is wildly inconsistent year to year. at some point when you have 4 different coaches and it happens continuously a big part of it is probably your players and probably leadership when your team tends to no show for periods of games and stretches of the season. They have had teams who should’ve at least qualified for the playoffs and just didn’t play well enough to be a WC team and reverted back to a lottery team. Please don’t give me they had teams that weren’t talented enough to make the playoffs those years. I call bull crap they’ve had the talent, they just reverted to being inconsistent 

it’s been a problem for 10 season and you casual dismiss like it’s normal that no other team for a decade has ever done that. Their recent history indicates they were more likely even if there wasnt a pandemic to miss the postseason. It’s important because with 4 different coaches it has happened. Speaks to its more your culture and your players progressions and leadership  

 

If not for corona this team makes the playoffs easily as they did last year. It makes zero sense that every other year players just decide to be lazy

7 minutes ago, devpool said:

If not for corona this team makes the playoffs easily as they did last year.

 

You're just saying this, but there's not really any justification for it outside of it being your gut feeling. If we're going off recent history and what this organization and core of talent has demonstrated, it's what the other poster is outlining here. Regression to the mean would figure that this year the team was going to be mediocre at best, regardless of circumstances.

1 minute ago, devpool said:

If not for corona this team makes the playoffs easily as they did last year. It makes zero sense that every other year players just decide to be lazy

easily? Lol. It wasn’t just the pandemic. That team lacked effort for large stretches of games like what’s been an issue in the past under hakstol, lavy and berube. Sure just ignore that and deficiencies this team had.

You act like they weren’t predicted to make the playoffs some of those other seasons they missed. the year after they got to the second round after beating Pittsburgh and New Jersey beat them, they were projected to make the playoffs before the season and missed. You act like that didn’t remotely happen multiples times over this period of time. It’s called they are inconsistent year to year. Except you refuse to acknowledge that’s the case and just blame a pandemic for problems they’ve had for 10 freaking years. 

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

You're just saying this, but there's not really any justification for it outside of it being your gut feeling. If we're going off recent history and what this organization and core of talent has demonstrated, it's what the other poster is outlining here. Regression to the mean would figure that this year the team was going to be mediocre at best regardless of circumstances.

It makes zero sense that players just randomly decide to not perform every other year. And based off of that we're saying might as well just not watch every other year since they're gonna be bad.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

easily? Lol. It wasn’t just the pandemic. That team lacked effort for large stretches of games like what’s been an issue in the past under hakstol, lavy and berube. Sure just ignore that and deficiencies this team had.

You act like they weren’t predicted to make the playoffs some of those other seasons they missed. the year after they got to the second round after beating Pittsburgh and New Jersey beat them, they were projected to make the playoffs before the season and missed. You act like that didn’t remotely happen multiples times over this period of time. It’s called they are inconsistent year to year. Except you refuse to acknowledge that’s the case and just blame a pandemic for problems they’ve had for 10 freaking years. 

Just stop watching every other year until the core is gone, then everything will be magically fixed. 

13 minutes ago, devpool said:

It makes zero sense that players just randomly decide to not perform every other year. And based off of that we're saying might as well just not watch every other year since they're gonna be bad.

Just stop watching every other year until the core is gone, then everything will be magically fixed. 

Lol or take off your Flyers Homer glasses

You are right 4 different coaches where the team has the same issues with energy game to game and consistently playing a full 60 minutes of hockey. Yup couldn’t be a problem as to why they keep being inconsistent year to year. Nope it was just the pandemic for the same issues they’ve had for the better part of a decade. 

I’m sorry I’m not delusional about the Flyers problems that have existed for nearly a decade. the pandemic is magically the root of all the Flyers problems meanwhile the previous 8 seasons they had the same issues. 

4 minutes ago, devpool said:

It makes zero sense that players just randomly decide to not perform every other year. And based off of that we're saying might as well just not watch every other year since they're gonna be bad.

 

No one said it was  conscious decision on the players' part, but for whatever reason, they consistently fail to build on momentum. It comes down to vision and motivation. Again, it's a problem from the top down: FO and coaches fail to acquire and develop additional talent to support the core, and the core fails to step their game up. It's a vicious cycle that they're caught in.

11 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

You're just saying this, but there's not really any justification for it outside of it being your gut feeling. If we're going off recent history and what this organization and core of talent has demonstrated, it's what the other poster is outlining here. Regression to the mean would figure that this year the team was going to be mediocre at best, regardless of circumstances.

 

4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

No one said it was  conscious decision on the players' part, but for whatever reason, they consistently fail to build on momentum. It comes down to vision and motivation. Again, it's a problem from the top down: FO and coaches fail to acquire and develop additional talent to support the core, and the core fails to step their game up. It's a vicious cycle that they're caught in.

It’s not just that they don’t consistently play 60 mins of hockey. How many games in the last 6 years have we said they slept through the first two periods and then come on like gangbusters in the third or played the first well only to lose focus and energy the next 2 periods. They don’t consistently show up to play. And some of those teams who missed the playoffs had more talent then teams who made the playoffs. The difference is those teams played with more consistency game to game then the Flyers  

these problems we’ve talked about on here have existed for the better part of a decade but we should blame a pandemic for the same inconsistencies that appeared for much of the last decade then realize the faults of this team and organization.