This year the problem wasn't inconsistency from game to game, it was the fact that literally every single player minus maybe 2 (farabee and giroux) played like absolute dog ish for the entire season. That is why you can point to the pandemic as the problem. They were consistently bad for most of the season.

BS.  they had inconsistencies. They had games where they’d be up 3-4 goals entering the 2nd and 3rd period and a manage to blow the lead. Some of that is they weren’t good and some of that is they played a 20 mins of a 60 min a game which is something we’ve consistently complained about for the last decade with this team besides 1.5 months of the 2019-2020 and small stretches in other seasons like when they lost 10 in a row then Managed to win 12 in a row. They sleep walk through periods or no show for games entirely at times and play with a lack of urgency or energy. That’s not a flow of the season, the Flyers under lavy, berube, haskol and even AV (the first 3.5 months of his tenure and this season) had that issue of consistently playing with urgency and energy for a full 60 mins.  Keith jones, Boucher, thieren and hartnell have called them out on this issue when was a pandemic or not. 

I’m not saying the pandemic didn’t add onto their struggles or they weren’t very good this year in general. however if you believe they had no inconsistencies with energy/urgency and just consistently showed up with energy and urgency for all three periods of games this year then you are in full denial. That has been something that’s been the case prior to the pandemic, so the pandemic didn’t magically create that problem. It was an issue around this team for the 8 seasons before AV got here and under 3 different coaching regimes. 

10 hours ago, devpool said:

This year the problem wasn't inconsistency from game to game, it was the fact that literally every single player minus maybe 2 (farabee and giroux) played like absolute dog ish for the entire season. That is why you can point to the pandemic as the problem. They were consistently bad for most of the season.

I just don't think they have the luxury of using another year to find out if they can get back to just being on the bubble. Trade your expensive core players now while they still have some value. Shed salary and accumulate picks. They have enough young talent that the team could theoretically be re-built in another 2 years. The only players I would say are untouchable are Farabee, TK, and Hart. I'd hate to give up Provorov, but would be willing to get a nice haul of picks over the next several years. If they can acquire Jones, acquire a forward, and then draft some young defensive talent, and keep that nucleus to build around, they could get very good very fast. I say this as a guy who's stood by G, Voracek, but they've run their course here. I'd trade Hayes in a heartbeat if they could, but I'm also ok if they retain him as the lone veteran presence. Coots can still be good for another 5-7, so he can hang around, but I wouldn't scoff at idea of moving him, either, if it sets the team up right for the future. Honestly, I think the team itself is better than I probably let on, and I think their problems are probably move fixable than they appear. They have a stable of hockey players to build with; they just need to fill a few glaring holes to fit the pieces together correctly. Contention is within reach, but it requires a level of managerial brilliance, ingenuity, and a willingness to take risks that I just don't think this ownership group has. Comcast lacks the vision and expertise that it takes to respectably run a storied NHL franchise.

13 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I just don't think they have the luxury of using another year to find out if they can get back to just being on the bubble. Trade your expensive core players now while they still have some value. Shed salary and accumulate picks. They have enough young talent that the team could theoretically be re-built in another 2 years. The only players I would say are untouchable are Farabee, TK, and Hart. I'd hate to give up Provorov, but would be willing to get a nice haul of picks over the next several years. If they can acquire Jones, acquire a forward, and then draft some young defensive talent, and keep that nucleus to build around, they could get very good very fast. I say this as a guy who's stood by G, Voracek, but they've run their course here. I'd trade Hayes in a heartbeat if they could, but I'm also ok if they retain him as the lone veteran presence. Coots can still be good for another 5-7, so he can hang around, but I wouldn't scoff at idea of moving him, either, if it sets the team up right for the future. Honestly, I think the team itself is better than I probably let on, and I think their problems are probably move fixable than they appear. They have a stable of hockey players to build with; they just need to fill a few glaring holes to fit the pieces together correctly. Contention is within reach, but it requires a level of managerial brilliance, ingenuity, and a willingness to take risks that I just don't think this ownership group has. Comcast lacks the vision and expertise that it takes to respectably run a storied NHL franchise.

I agree with this but trading provy. i wouldn’t deal him. I actually think jones and provy would be a really good pairing. 

that said i would deal TK if the right deal came along. It depends on which player they are dealing him for. If it’s to get a upgrade or if it’s straight up for someone like Johny gaudreu who i just like more than TK 

They won’t move G. I’d bet he gets an extension at some point. The time to move him was after his 100 point season when the following year the Flyers floundered. I don’t think voracek is really moveable with his contract. Do think there’s a chance the Flyers try to push JVR to seattle. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with this but trading provy. i wouldn’t deal him. I actually think jones and provy would be a really good pairing. 

that said i would deal TK if the right deal came along. It depends on which player they are dealing him for. If it’s to get a upgrade or if it’s straight up for someone like Johny gaudreu who i just like more than TK 

They won’t move G. I’d bet he gets an extension at some point. The time to move him was after his 100 point season when the following year the Flyers floundered. I don’t think voracek is really moveable with his contract. Do think there’s a chance the Flyers try to push JVR to seattle. 

Yeah, Proborov is a great piece, and  they don't need to be cutting defensive talent, but it seems like he figures into a lot of trade scenarios. You might have  give him up in a package if you really want a king's ransom.

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Yeah, Proborov is a great piece, and  they don't need to be cutting defensive talent, but it seems like he figures into a lot of trade scenarios. You might have  give him up in a package if you really want a king's ransom.

Ive seen more trades include Myers or sanheim tbh then provy. I’d love to have jones, provy and sanheim with York coming up. I’m ok trading Myers in the right deal. 

Mock trade from the athletic 

 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Mock trade from the athletic 

 

Hard pass

1 hour ago, Blazehound said:

Hard pass

Flyers hard yes I'm sure

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Flyers hard yes I'm sure

There’s been smoke with Seth jones and the Flyers for a couple weeks. I’d kind of be shocked if the Flyers don’t try to add a defenseman like jones this offseason. 

I would try to push Patrick in a Jones deal. Myers, Patrick, #13 and a mid tier prospect like rubstov. 

19 hours ago, devpool said:

I would try to push Patrick in a Jones deal. Myers, Patrick, #13 and a mid tier prospect like rubstov. 

I’d rather just significantly over pay for Hamilton. I don’t get the point of including any of our NHL ready young defensemen. It just opens up another hole on the back end.

What a terrible way to go

Columbus Blue Jackets goalie Matiss Kivlenieks died last night 

According to police, they were in a hot tub when a firework tipped over and started firing at them, they all got out to run and he slipped and hit his head on the concrete 

Even worse than first reported 

 

 

 

honestly i would just trade him instead of the expansion draft route where you give up a prospect. I get his contract isn’t good but i suspect you wouldn’t have to give up a prominent prospect in another trade. 

Also Flyers appear to be out on Seth jones according to Elliotte Friedman 

13. The Seth Jones-to-Philadelphia discussions appear off, for now. The Flyers can’t get the commitment they want from Jones. That’s his right, to wait unless he’s certain, but Philly won’t make the deal without it.

Jones could be planning on testing the free-agent waters next offseason no matter what. If that’s the case, it should bring down the asking price a lot. It may also give the Flyers pause, as Friedman mentioned, because they’d ideally get their long-term solution this summer. Trading for Jones and then having him leave next offseason would put the Flyers back in the same spot that they’re in now.

If Jones isn’t willing to commit long-term to the Flyers, Fletcher may have to look elsewhere for his top-pair defenseman. Dougie Hamilton will be available in free agency and there are a handful of other defensemen available in the trade market.

They shouldn't give anything major to Seattle for them to take voracek, definitely not a prominent prospect. They can have a bottom 6 level prospect and maybe a late pick. Voracek isn't a scrub, he's just overpaid. They aren't getting a top 6 forward and a high level prospect for nothing.

As for Seth Jones, I can't imagine anything new coming out of that until after the expansion draft and he has a better idea of what his options are gonna be. 

47 minutes ago, devpool said:

They shouldn't give anything major to Seattle for them to take voracek, definitely not a prominent prospect. They can have a bottom 6 level prospect and maybe a late pick. Voracek isn't a scrub, he's just overpaid. They aren't getting a top 6 forward and a high level prospect for nothing.

As for Seth Jones, I can't imagine anything new coming out of that until after the expansion draft and he has a better idea of what his options are gonna be. 

Voracek is the one high-priced player that doesn’t have a no-trade or NMC — that’s the only reason he’s being left out there.

Not sure I’d even give up the 13th overall pick for Seth Jones, much less any other assets.  Due for a big pay day after next season on an expiring contract; if he’s not willing to sign a long-term extension as part of any trade it’s all pointless 

So who's better- Seth Jones or Dougie Hamilton? Like others have said, I wouldn't give up a major prospect to get Jones if he doesn't sign an extension. Same can be said for Hamilton. They both have 1 more year before FA so they have the right to wait until then to get their money although risky. It'll be interesting. 

I also wouldn't give much to Seattle for Voracek. Draft pick or lower level prospect ok, but other than that, nope.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Voracek is the one high-priced player that doesn’t have a no-trade or NMC — that’s the only reason he’s being left out there.

Not sure I’d even give up the 13th overall pick for Seth Jones, much less any other assets.  Due for a big pay day after next season on an expiring contract; if he’s not willing to sign a long-term extension as part of any trade it’s all pointless 

Columbus is going to get screwed with jones since he’s going to test FA. His value drops significantly in what they’ll get considering he’ll potentially walk in a year. They might just hold onto him until the trade deadline and hope a contender gets desperate then again it’s risky cause he’s coming off a "down” year 

30 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Voracek is the one high-priced player that doesn’t have a no-trade or NMC — that’s the only reason he’s being left out there.

Not sure I’d even give up the 13th overall pick for Seth Jones, much less any other assets.  Due for a big pay day after next season on an expiring contract; if he’s not willing to sign a long-term extension as part of any trade it’s all pointless 

JvR doesn't have one either and will likely also be exposed 

Lol 

 

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol 

 

Ahahahahahahahahaha. 
 

all teams should be forced to send them a pick for keeping him off tv. 

Would Seattle hiring Hakstol play any part into who the Kraken select or take from the Flyers?

4 hours ago, xzmattzx said:

Would Seattle hiring Hakstol play any part into who the Kraken select or take from the Flyers?

I'm sure he'll have some say, hopefully he liked voracek during his time here.