Some of you guys really like riding the rollercoaster through a playoff series.  For the amount of bishing most of you do about Voracek and Giroux, you'd think scoring 3 PP goals might be cause for some optimism.  MTL doesn't have enough offensive talent to sustain their offensive production; the last game they scored 5 goals they went about 130 minutes or so before their next goal.

The Flyers do have enough offensive talent; they just need Hayes and Konecny to take their pictures off of milk cartons and show up.  There -- maybe my bishing and moaning will pay off.

 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hayes?  Did you even watch the game?  He was one of their best forwards.  If you are going to call a forward out, he's one of the last ones I would think of.  

You're always calling out Voracek -- and he has been BY FAR their best forward all series long.  When Hayes scores ONE goal perhaps I'll lighten up on him.  He is playing slow, and needs to get his arse in gear.  If he moves his feet he'll start getting better results.

They're ahead 3-2.  Yes, I'm happy with that.  They're 15-3 in their last 18 games; yes I'm happy with that.  

2 hours ago, MIRV Griffen said:

Scenn’s biggest issue was his 5-on-5 effectiveness.  He was only good only the PP...which is EXACTLY what this team needs right now.

To schenn’s credit with the blues he’s gotten much better in his 5 on 5 game. Still good on the PP. he’s a better player now then when he left the Flyers. We can say whatever we want but JVR is overrated.  I get farabee and frost argument. That doesn’t change the i rather have schenn over JVR argument. They never should’ve signed jvr. He’s been a disappointment every time he’s played for the Flyers. And now he is a healthy scratch every game 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To schenn’s credit with the blues he’s gotten much better in his 5 on 5 game. Still good on the PP. he’s a better player now then when he left the Flyers. We can say whatever we want but JVR is overrated.  I get farabee and frost argument. That doesn’t change the i rather have schenn over JVR argument. They never should’ve signed jvr. He’s been a disappointment every time he’s played for the Flyers. And now he is a healthy scratch every game 

I mean I would rather have Schenn over JVR too, but we brought JVR in after Schenn was moved. Schenn was moved because we got a ridiculous offer for him. I’d trade Schenn for two firsts every day of the week. I honestly think Frost will end up being a better version of Schenn and Farabee is already showing early payoffs.  
 

But if we’re just talking Schenn v JVR. I don’t think anyone is going to disagree that Schenn would be the better option right now.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

You're always calling out Voracek -- and he has been BY FAR their best forward all series long.  When Hayes scores ONE goal perhaps I'll lighten up on him.  He is playing slow, and needs to get his arse in gear.  If he moves his feet he'll start getting better results.

They're ahead 3-2.  Yes, I'm happy with that.  They're 15-3 in their last 18 games; yes I'm happy with that.  

Honestly no one is talking about it but konency has done next to nothing this entire time vs Montreal. He has literally 1 point on an assist. That’s it. Hayes and konency have nothing done little so far. 

That said I don’t know how anybody can defend giroux right now. In his last 21 playoff games he has 1 goal and 7 points total. He’s been really MIA since that penguins playoff series now 8-9 years ago. He might be a top 20 flyers of all time but his playoff performance as the captain has been less than stellar. People remember him for the one series vs. the penguins and other the average play his last 27 games.  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok.  Voracek was garbage until the last two games.  Complete Garbage.  As was JVR and Grioux.  I have called them out to.  I am glad to know that at least Voracek listens.

 

 

As far as the 15-3 in their last 18 games.  That says all I need to know.  You put stock into games that occured 5 months ago.  Ok.  I hope we win tomorrow and they dominate, for the first time in 5 months.  

Playoff series are about matchups.  MTL is a team of plumbers that will only win by skating, win races to the puck, and throwing darts toward the net.  There will be games where that works.  It's rare to have teams blow through every playoff round in 4 games or 5 games -- especially now where every NHL team plays more or less the same vanilla brand of hockey.  

When they advance past MTL (Habs will score one goal or fewer in either Game 6 or 7), then the Flyers will likely match up against the NYI.  The Islanders have better depth, but don't have a Shea Weber on D and don't have a Carey Price in net.

giroux reminds me of leclair. he'll play well during the regular season but drop off the radar too much in the playoffs. 

2 minutes ago, 20Safety_Hazards said:

I mean I would rather have Schenn over JVR too, but we brought JVR in after Schenn was moved. Schenn was moved because we got a ridiculous offer for him. I’d trade Schenn for two firsts every day of the week. I honestly think Frost will end up being a better version of Schenn and Farabee is already showing early payoffs.  
 

But if we’re just talking Schenn v JVR. I don’t think anyone is going to disagree that Schenn would be the better option right now.

Idk for a while there were people on the old board with the jvr > schenn. Even then i disagreed. My bigger issue is I didn’t want jvr to begin with. I think he’s overrated and he always has been. He had a couple of good seasons in Toronto but i never thought he was worth 7 mil per which is what you had to throw at him to get him here. To me that was one of hextall’s worse decisions. Rather have used the money elsewhere or for down the road. 

6 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

giroux reminds me of leclair. he'll play well during the regular season but drop off the radar too much in the playoffs. 

That's probably fair.  I'll always remember him schooling Crosby in that 2011-12 series, though.  Maybe he needs an antagonist.

14 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

giroux reminds me of leclair. he'll play well during the regular season but drop off the radar for the most part in the playoffs. 

I can’t entirely say that. Before he was the captain of the Flyers his playoff numbers were actually good. 

pre captain giroux playoffs: 50 games, 55 points and 21 goals. 

post captain giroux playoffs: 27 games, 14 points and 3 goals. 

 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk for a while there were people on the old board with the jvr > schenn. Even then i disagreed. My bigger issue is I didn’t want jvr to begin with. I think he’s overrated and he always has been. He had a couple of good seasons in Toronto but i never thought he was worth 7 mil per which is what you had to throw at him to get him here. To me that was one of hextall’s worse decisions. Rather have used the money elsewhere or for down the road. 

For all the grief Phil Kessel takes, he makes lots of guys look better offensively than they otherwise are.

44 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That's probably fair.  I'll always remember him schooling Crosby in that 2011-12 series, though.  Maybe he needs an antagonist.

 

43 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I can’t entirely say that. Before he was the captain of the Flyers his playoff numbers were actually good. 

pre captain giroux playoffs: 50 games, 55 points and 21 goals. 

post captain giroux playoffs: 27 games, 14 points and 3 goals. 

 

like giroux, leclair certainly had his moments in the playoffs, but overall seemed to be a non-factor. what made it worse is, leclair was my favorite player during that era. 

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

 

like giroux, leclair certainly had his moments in the playoffs, but overall seemed to be a non-factor. what made it worse is, leclair was my favorite player during that era. 

Don’t get me wrong, I like giroux. However I am still in the camp they should have dealt him two years ago. By the time this young core was expected to be a legit Stanley Cup contender he was going to be making big money and be on the decline. It sucks and no one really wanted to see him go but you make that trade to get a ton of capital back in picks and young prospects that can grow with the young core you were building. Instead you are likely stuck with him as he declines making big money. probably hurting the team more than helping them when they are in the prime years of being a cup contender. 

i actually thought hextall was going to deal him and wouldve been ok with that. but it didn't which surprised me because i agree, they couldve gotten a nice trade offer. 

26 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i actually thought hextall was going to deal him and wouldve been ok with that. but it didn't which surprised me because i agree, they couldve gotten a nice trade offer. 

The biggest concern I have with the flyers going forward into the future is having Jvr, giroux and voracek with 2-5 years left on their contracts and decline with big money against the cap (less so giroux as his is only two more years). To me all them are going to start to decline more and more. Eventually be more of a hindrance to where you want to get to. You could be using that money to add pieces around the great drafting and developing you have done. Now you’re gonna Likely be stuck with those three contracts until they are over. I don’t see anybody trading for those three guys at their pricetags. And if you can It's likely trade a pick with them to get somebody who’s well below the cap floor to take them on.

giroux only has 2 years left at 8.25 per year so that’s actually not awful cause can let him walk in two years. However jvr has 3 years left at 7 mil per and can’t get on the ice right now. And voracek has been good this series has 4 years left at 8.25. To me JVR and Voracek contracts are going to be more of a burden to you adding pieces then being helpful contributors as they get to ages 32-35 and the team primed for cup run 

damn, i forgot how how much JVR is getting per year. 

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

damn, i forgot how how much JVR is getting per year. 

Yeah it’s bad. It was the only way you were going to get him to come back was to overpay him. And they did. Pretty good article about the Flyers contracts. It’s from last July but for the most part has relevance to hayes, voracek and jvr’s contracts 

https://www.broadstreethockey.com/2019/7/24/20707699/who-has-the-philadelphia-flyers-most-untradeable-contract-nhl-free-agency-kevin-hayes-ivan-provorov

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

damn, i forgot how how much JVR is getting per year. 

When I first heard about that signing I immediately went to the washroom and took a huge dump.  The Flyers have the self-defeating propensity to bring guys back who underperform the first time through.

If you wanna feel even worse today just read something that had an excerpt about bruh is being paid 1.6 million a year through 26-27 

I assume Niskanen will get suspended for a couple of games at least for the cross check that broke Gallagher’s jaw.  Could be worse — Hospodar got suspended for the entire Stanley Cup Final just for punching out a rat.

17 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I assume Niskanen will get suspended for a couple of games at least for the cross check that broke Gallagher’s jaw.  Could be worse — Hospodar got suspended for the entire Stanley Cup Final just for punching out a rat.

Niskanen was a -3 last night and for the series -2. But AV’s quote is rather interesting 

 

Niskanen only gets one game.  Even as a Flyers fan I’d say that’s pretty gutless of the NHL; they obviously didn’t want to remove him for the remainder of the series with it still in doubt — that shouldn’t enter into the equation when deciding on supplemental discipline.

I’m guessing going to be some head hunting even more by the habs tomorrow. Kotkaniemi should also be suspended imo. He leaves his feet when going for the hit on sanheim. Sanheim turned at the last second but that doesn’t excuse kotkaneimi hit. 

I recall at least a couple of you saying you wanted Gallagher's face in the glass or the ice, so you sort of got your wish.  Nisk gets 1 game so Ghost replaces him?

We need to win this next game and give life or hope to the Habs.  Anything can happen in one game, especially a Game 7.  Don't get sucked into their BS play and antagonizing tactics.  Play your game, cut down on errors and keep your skates moving.  Keep it simple and the odds favour us.

That's a telling stat about G's playoff point production from when before he was the Captain to after.  Wonder if it's mindset or just him getting older and losing a half stride?  I also was a big LeClair fan when he was a Flyer, though it took a while to warm up to him because he cost me some money.  During the LA Kings v Habs Cup series when the Kings had Gretzky, I had a friend who worked at Bloomingdale's in NYC.  He said they had a framed and signed LA Kings Gretzky jersey at his store and with his employee discount I was going to get a good price on it.  I was waiting for the conclusion of the Stanley Cup Final and hoping the Kings won as that would have greatly increased the value of the framed signed jersey, but LeClair scored 2 GW goals to help the Habs win the Cup that year.  

28 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

I recall at least a couple of you saying you wanted Gallagher's face in the glass or the ice, so you sort of got your wish.  Nisk gets 1 game so Ghost replaces him?

We need to win this next game and give life or hope to the Habs.  Anything can happen in one game, especially a Game 7.  Don't get sucked into their BS play and antagonizing tactics.  Play your game, cut down on errors and keep your skates moving.  Keep it simple and the odds favour us.

That's a telling stat about G's playoff point production from when before he was the Captain to after.  Wonder if it's mindset or just him getting older and losing a half stride?  I also was a big LeClair fan when he was a Flyer, though it took a while to warm up to him because he cost me some money.  During the LA Kings v Habs Cup series when the Kings had Gretzky, I had a friend who worked at Bloomingdale's in NYC.  He said they had a framed and signed LA Kings Gretzky jersey at his store and with his employee discount I was going to get a good price on it.  I was waiting for the conclusion of the Stanley Cup Final and hoping the Kings won as that would have greatly increased the value of the framed signed jersey, but LeClair scored 2 GW goals to help the Habs win the Cup that year.  

I mean giroux wasn’t that old when He became the captain. This started around the 2013-14 playoffs. I think it was pressure At first. Having to be the guy and teams gaming to stop him. Now I just think he’s slowing down and not the same player he was two to three years ago. I love G but if somebody came to us and gave us a good package for him I would consider doing it. I really don’t think he’s worth the money anymore. When he put up that 102 point season that was the time to unload when he was 30. Could’ve gotten a boatload after that type of season. Would’ve been hard to let go but the massive capital you got worth made it much easier. Since he’s had 85 points and this year just 58 (still good but not what he once was).