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4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

@The Norseman

There you go.

Yep, he's an idiot. But you only have to look as far as Biden to wonder how he got elected again.  Joe will go down as one of, if not the worst presidents of all time.  

Given the choice of more Biden (read Kamala) or Trump, the country overwhelmingly chose Trump.

Now democrats like you get to clutch your pearls at every tweet for the next four years. 

All so predictable. 

Just now, The Norseman said:

Yep, he's an idiot. But you only have to look as far as Biden to wonder how he got elected again.  Joe will go down as one of, if not the worst presidents of all time.  

Given the choice of more Biden (read Kamala) or Trump, the country overwhelmingly chose Trump.

Now democrats like you get to clutch your pearls at every tweet for the next four years. 

All so predictable. 

I've never been a Democrat and I've mixed my POTUS votes between Dem, Repub, and 3rd party over the last 20 years.  You can call me a Never Trumper if you like though I've never been a Republican either.

Now quit changing the subject.  Trump intends to do whatever he wants and the Constitution and rule of law be damned.  Own it Trumpbot.

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

The Dems pretty much abandoned, straight, working-class, white men, but I think it was the likes of Rush Limbaugh that really stoked up the masses, and help create the base that would become MAGA.   

Or, maybe is was the fact that all their jobs went off shore while they were being villainized by the far left.  A good chunk of those white working class voters had either never voted before or had been union democrats prior to Trump.  Conservative radio had nothing to do with it. 

3 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Or, maybe is was the fact that all their jobs went off shore while they were being villainized by the far left.  A good chunk of those white working class voters had either never voted before or had been union democrats prior to Trump.  Conservative radio had nothing to do with it. 

That's a silly take.  Of course the Conservative media push was quite savvy and had a good bit to do with it.  On the other hand, I agree 100% with the fact that they were made into villains by the left.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

I've never been a Democrat and I've mixed my POTUS votes between Dem, Repub, and 3rd party over the last 20 years.  You can call me a Never Trumper if you like though I've never been a Republican either.

Now quit changing the subject.  Trump intends to do whatever he wants and the Constitution and rule of law be damned.  Own it Trumpbot.

Funny how you all parrot the latest DNC outrage taglines like clockwork and then sprint for the shadows when someone flips the lights on and calls you a Democrat.  

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

Funny how you all parrot the latest DNC outrage taglines like clockwork and then sprint for the shadows when someone flips the lights on and calls you a Democrat.  

Both sides get some things right and some things wrong.  How hard is that to understand?  Ask the lefties in here if they think I'm a Democrat.  Some will tell you I'm a righty.  What I am is a both sider though and a Never Trumper.  Those things are true.

Now back to Trump.  You're perfectly ok with him sheeting on the Constitution and the law. Own it Trumpbot.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

That's a silly take.  Of course the Conservative media push was quite savvy and had a good bit to do with it.  On the other hand, I agree 100% with the fact that they were made into villains by the left.

In this election the Conservative media may have been the primary driver of his re-election.  In 2016 people will still tuning in to mainstream media...which is overwhelmingly liberal.  They also despised Hillary.  I don't think a dying radio host had much impact at all in Trump's first election. 

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Both sides get some things right and some things wrong.  How hard is that to understand?  Ask the lefties in here if they think I'm a Democrat.  Some will tell you I'm a righty.  What I am is a both sider though and a Never Trumper.  Those things are true.

Now back to Trump.  You're perfectly ok with him sheeting on the Constitution and the law. Own it Trumpbot.

I don't care what you are.  But if you don't want to be called a Democrat then don't dedicate every single post to saying exactly what Democrats want you to say. 

3 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

In this election the Conservative media may have been the primary driver of his re-election.  In 2016 people will still tuning in to mainstream media...which is overwhelmingly liberal.  They also despised Hillary.  I don't think a dying radio host had much impact at all in Trump's first election. 

Rush wasn't the only one by then and Fox News had taken over the key PR position.  I'm not saying it was the only factor or even the most important one but it was certainly a key factor.  Why not just applaud them for doing what they did?  I wasn't in agreement with most of their positions but I can see they were very effective.

2 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I don't care what you are.  But if you don't want to be called a Democrat then don't dedicate every single post to saying exactly what Democrats want you to say. 

I don't give a flying F what the Democrats want and I push back on them all the time.

I've told you just what I am.  You sir are a boot licking Trumpbot.  Continue to bow down and suck.

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Rush wasn't the only one by then and Fox News had taken over the key PR position.  I'm not saying it was the only factor or even the most important one but it was certainly a key factor.  Why not just applaud them for doing what they did?  I wasn't in agreement with most of their positions but I can see they were very effective.

Because I don't see much, if any evidence that Rush or Fox News had any more influence in 2016 than they have ever had.  The creation of the Trump movement was a result of Trump and his team identifying disaffected groups, like working class white men, and going directly to them.  

 

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I don't give a flying F what the Democrats want and I push back on them all the time.

I've told you just what I am.  You sir are a boot licking Trumpbot.  Continue to bow down and suck.

Now, this is just beneath you.  Being called a democrat isn't that bad, is it? 

3 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Because I don't see much, if any evidence that Rush or Fox News had any more influence in 2026 than they have ever had.  The creation of the Trump movement was a result of Trump and his team identifying disaffected groups, like working class white men, and going directly to them.  

 

The point is that Rush and Fox News were a big part of getting that message out to the target groups.  Surely, you can understand that part?  In fact, they were doing that LONG before Trump started to become popular. They created the opening for him.

3 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Now, this is just beneath you.

No actually it isn't beneath me.  We are in very special times my friend.  I'll never join you in the bowing and licking, have at it.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

The point is that Rush and Fox News were a big part of getting that message out to the target groups.  Surely, you can understand that part?  In fact, they were doing that LONG before Trump started to become popular. They created the opening for him.

Sure.  Once they heard the message and got on board then they went to places that told them what they wanted to hear.  The question was what turned them in the first place.  I don't think that they just happened to flip on Rush for the first time and became Trumpers.

Now, if we were talking about Joe Rogan in 2024...I'd probably say exactly the opposite.  

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

The question was what turned them in the first place.

A process that took years.

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

No actually it isn't beneath me.  We are in very special times my friend.  I'll never join you in the bowing and licking, have at it.

ok.  I can see I touched a nerve and you are in insult mode.  

Look, your constitutional argument is viable.  I've acknowledged that.  The problem is that there are real constitutional challenges (birthright citizenship) and there are nonsense injunctions just designed to slow things down.  

For example.  Do the American people really want Doge to drop everything because some activist judge thinks its a risk to public health to remove the trans gender nomenclature on a website?  Or because another activist judge wants to challenge Musk's access to Treasury payments because he's not an elected official?  Meanwhile the Secretary of the Treasury is also not an elected official.  They are nonsense, and anybody can see that they are simply lawfare aimed at protecting the bureaucracy.

Birthright citizenship has real merit and I wouldn't be surprised if the administration facilitated that legal challenge in order to expedite it to SCOTUS.  As far as I can see, the birthright injunction is being obeyed.  The others are not, while they are in appeal. 

Is this a slippery slope?  Yes.  Should we be uncomfortable with it.  Yes.  If any of these injunctions are held up should Trump have to immediately reverse course? Absolutely Yes.  But if all of these injunctions are struck down do you really think anyone will even remember this?

Now, I know what you're going to say, and yes, I understand that it should be binary.  The Executive branch must abide by legal challenges based on our constitution. But the counter argument is that if the judicial system is clearly being bastardized simply to delay and distract then yes, I say that we do have to choose in the name of progress....while closely following the appeal process.  If the legislature grows uncomfortable enough with this, then they can bring forth articles of impeachment. 

Now, if you want a concession...I will give you the executive order process.  It is completely out of control and the executive branch was never supposed to be able to wield this sort of power.  If we can stop the EO process then we wouldn't have this problem and maybe congress could get back to business and start working together again.  I'm all ears on that topic. 

 

1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

Or, maybe is was the fact that all their jobs went off shore while they were being villainized by the far left.  A good chunk of those white working class voters had either never voted before or had been union democrats prior to Trump.  Conservative radio had nothing to do with it. 

This is exactly what someone duped by right wing media would say. 

1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

I don't care what you are.  But if you don't want to be called a Democrat then don't dedicate every single post to saying exactly what Democrats want you to say. 

JFC, how long are you going to muddy the conversation by beating this drum? Your obsession with labeling people is more evidence that you have been duped by extreme right wing media. 

200,000 layoffs is really going to help the economy. 

51 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

The Executive branch must abide by legal challenges based on our constitution. But the counter argument is that if the judicial system is clearly being bastardized simply to delay and distract then yes, I say that we do have to choose in the name of progress

"We should only cherish the Constitution when it doesn't hurt our feelings!"

https://www.politicalflare.com/2025/02/heating-bills-skyrocket-in-state-that-went-for-trump-by-30-points-directly-because-of-his-executive-order/

sorry alabama 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/1iqp1u7/heating_bills_skyrocket_in_state_that_went_for/

10 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

https://www.politicalflare.com/2025/02/heating-bills-skyrocket-in-state-that-went-for-trump-by-30-points-directly-because-of-his-executive-order/

 

53 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

This is exactly what someone duped by right wing media would say. 

Right.  You're theory that Rush Limbaugh single handedly converted mullions of voters to Trump is a much more viable theory...and not at all influenced by the hard left.  😂😂😂

Stop masquerading as a serious person.  You aren't one.