March 27Mar 27 23 minutes ago, vikas83 said: So much for the "independent" DOJ...as if we had any doubts this would be ignored. Not that we needed any evidence but now we have 100% documented proof of Trump's weaponized DOJ. They aren't even trying to hide it at all. I will say one thing about this issue though and that is that we now have an entire week of the same issue being front and center which isn't the normal under Trump.
March 27Mar 27 27 minutes ago, vikas83 said: So much for the "independent" DOJ...as if we had any doubts this would be ignored. Once again, electing a complete imbecile was bad. Electing an imbecile with a massive inferiority complex and a narcissistic personality disorder means he had to hire even dumber cult members to important positions. Gonna be a close call if our Republic can survive this parade of idiots. again, imagine if this happened in october. the cucks on this mb would be going on and on as if the country was taken over by lizard people again. hell, poor kz would have carpal tunnel by now.
March 27Mar 27 12 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: So it's the people who didn't vote for Kamala who are at fault, and not the democratic party who kept Biden on the ticket well after they knew he was cooked. Who then just "made" Kamala the candidate at the last minute. Who bypassed a primary process that should have happened to allow the voters the opportunity to select a candidate. The democratic party is to blame. Logical and on point
March 27Mar 27 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Not that we needed any evidence but now we have 100% documented proof of Trump's weaponized DOJ. They aren't even trying to hide it at all. yeah, but it's all ok when it ownz the libs.
March 27Mar 27 19 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: So it's the people who didn't vote for Kamala who are at fault, and not the democratic party who kept Biden on the ticket well after they knew he was cooked. Who then just "made" Kamala the candidate at the last minute. Who bypassed a primary process that should have happened to allow the voters the opportunity to select a candidate. The democratic party is to blame. Yep, for that and much more
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: Yep, for that and much more they don't want to hear that though, they want to point fingers at everyone else instead of looking in the mirror.
March 27Mar 27 21 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: So it's the people who didn't vote for Kamala who are at fault, and not the democratic party who kept Biden on the ticket well after they knew he was cooked. Who then just "made" Kamala the candidate at the last minute. Who bypassed a primary process that should have happened to allow the voters the opportunity to select a candidate. The democratic party is to blame. Right, and in your calculation making your displeasure at the Democrats decisions and candidate known was worth electing Trump. Which is a valid stance even if it's not my own.
March 27Mar 27 28 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: So it's the people who didn't vote for Kamala who are at fault, and not the democratic party who kept Biden on the ticket well after they knew he was cooked. Who then just "made" Kamala the candidate at the last minute. Who bypassed a primary process that should have happened to allow the voters the opportunity to select a candidate. The democratic party is to blame. Who do you think would have emerged from an open and competitive primary to defeat Trump? Newsom? Whitmer? Shapiro? I am highly skeptical. I honestly think Biden would have made it closer than any of them. With inflation dominating the discourse, and the electorate being breathtakingly stupid, I'm not sure any Democrat was winning. The GOP falling back inline after January 6th was the endgame.
March 27Mar 27 Just now, DEagle7 said: Right, and in your calculation making your displeasure at the Democrats decisions and candidate known was worth electing Trump. Which is a valid stance even if it's not my own. Well I don't think it's the voters fault that Kamala lost. It's the Democrat party and nominee's job to win more votes than their opponent. If they fail to do that, they are the ones that are to blame. In 2016, I didn't vote for either of Hillary or Trump. And I made my intention known leading up to the election. And I had Hillary supporters telling me by me not voting for Hillary, it was a vote for Trump and so if Trump wins then it's the fault of people like me. And I had Trump supporters telling me by me not voting for Trump, it was a vote for Hillary and so if Hillary wins then it's the fault of people like me. I said that neither candidate earned my vote. It's not my fault that I'm not voting for either candidate, it's the candidate's fault for not winning my vote. In 2024 I held my nose and voted for Kamala. My thought process being that the GOP would win congress, so she wouldn't be able to get anything done for the next two years and we'd actually see some deficit reduction as the GOP would have leverage. But I also know plenty of people who voted for neither candidate, and I get it.
March 27Mar 27 8 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Who do you think would have emerged from an open and competitive primary to defeat Trump? Newsom? Whitmer? Shapiro? I am highly skeptical. I honestly think Biden would have made it closer than any of them. With inflation dominating the discourse, and the electorate being breathtakingly stupid, I'm not sure any Democrat was winning. The GOP falling back inline after January 6th was the endgame. I don't know if any of the nominees would have beaten Trump. But I think someone like Shapiro would have certainly had a better chance. But maybe it's better long term that he didn't run at the time. Now he gets a clean slate to run in 2028. But to your point, yes I think the Biden admin policies with regards to the border and inflation is what did them in.
March 27Mar 27 50 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: So it's the people who didn't vote for Kamala who are at fault, and not the democratic party who kept Biden on the ticket well after they knew he was cooked. Who then just "made" Kamala the candidate at the last minute. Who bypassed a primary process that should have happened to allow the voters the opportunity to select a candidate. The democratic party is to blame. None of that would've changed the outcome of the election. If Biden drops out prior to the primaries, Kamala still likely gets the nomination, and nothing changes about the outcome.
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, Mike030270 said: They're really trying to do a 'hey look at this instead' distraction dude, hillary clinton was the single worst threat to our country, ever.
March 27Mar 27 10 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Well I don't think it's the voters fault that Kamala lost. It's the Democrat party and nominee's job to win more votes than their opponent. If they fail to do that, they are the ones that are to blame. In 2016, I didn't vote for either of Hillary or Trump. And I made my intention known leading up to the election. And I had Hillary supporters telling me by me not voting for Hillary, it was a vote for Trump and so if Trump wins then it's the fault of people like me. And I had Trump supporters telling me by me not voting for Trump, it was a vote for Hillary and so if Hillary wins then it's the fault of people like me. I said that neither candidate earned my vote. It's not my fault that I'm not voting for either candidate, it's the candidate's fault for not winning my vote. In 2024 I held my nose and voted for Kamala. My thought process being that the GOP would win congress, so she wouldn't be able to get anything done for the next two years and we'd actually see some deficit reduction as the GOP would have leverage. But I also know plenty of people who voted for neither candidate, and I get it. Oh I get it too. But we can all also recognize that we're adults and our choices have consequences. As much as we all hate it, our elections boil down to 2 outcomes and our votes are what decide that outcome. People not voting for a particular candidate is the reason the other candidate won. Everyone gets to weigh the pros and cons of their decision and the many many factors that went into it, but in the end that really is what the decision boils down to. No reason to pretend otherwise.
March 27Mar 27 28 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: But to your point, yes I think the Biden admin policies with regards to the border and inflation is what did them in. Agreed though I do think the stupid woke stuff played a part as well.
March 27Mar 27 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Agreed though I do think the stupid woke stuff played a part as well. Trump's "Kamala is for they/them" ad was very effective and ran non-stop when I was in PA.
March 27Mar 27 19 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Oh I get it too. But we can all also recognize that we're adults and our choices have consequences. As much as we all hate it, our elections boil down to 2 outcomes and our votes are what decide that outcome. People not voting for a particular candidate is the reason the other candidate won. Everyone gets to weigh the pros and cons of their decision and the many many factors that went into it, but in the end that really is what the decision boils down to. No reason to pretend otherwise. This is one way of looking at it. But lately there has not been a candidate that it has been easy to cast a vote for rather than a vote against the alternative.
March 27Mar 27 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Trump's "Kamala is for they/them" ad was very effective and ran non-stop when I was in PA. and every mikemt31 wannabe west of the schuylkill and north of the turnpike ate that sheet up.
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Trump's "Kamala is for they/them" ad was very effective and ran non-stop when I was in PA. That and voting for "joy" is not exactly motivational.
March 27Mar 27 13 minutes ago, BBE said: This is one way of looking at it. But lately there has not been a candidate that it has been easy to cast a vote for rather than a vote against the alternative. Yup. I don't disagree. It's a **** system and I would love it if we embraced stuff like term limits, campaign finance reform, ranked choice voting etc etc etc (as I'm sure every non-politician is as well). Unfortunately that doesn't change the reality of our choices though.
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