March 29Mar 29 7 hours ago, DEagle7 said: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/27/health/rfk-jr-autism-vaccines.html We are a stupid country filled with far too many stupid people. This is exactly what we deserve.
March 29Mar 29 3 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Accountability This MF'er just said accountability. For a Trump administration.
March 29Mar 29 43 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I really don't care what idiots like Portnoy have to say now though. Acting like this kinda crap isn't the obvious and inevitable outcome of a Trump presidency is at best naive. Much more likely just shameless engagement farming. This is what you voted for dude. Time to own it dumbF. Yeah, it's beyond comical at this point. This guy saw a President lie about an election outcome, attempt to illegally overturn said election, then incite a riot at the Capitol, lose two civil cases, gets found guilty on 34 felony counts, about to be found guilty in two other major criminal cases, and all Portnoy did the entire F'ing time was carry water for him and now he has the nerve to use the word accountability? Now? It's a F'ing SNL skit. We're living in an SNL skit.
March 29Mar 29 Trump should declair himself as being a woman for a day. That way, either Team Blue has to accept that a Republican was the first woman president or that you can't pick your gender. Another win for Trump
March 29Mar 29 3 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Above is the OpEd in the Tufts University student paper that caused Rumeysa Ozturk, a grad student from Turkey, to be apprehended without due process. Below is the video of the apprehension. @The_Omega @The Norseman @Procus @Diehardfan Guys - Please explain the rational to me. What in the OpEd justifies picking this lady off the street and throwing her into detention without any opportunity to appear before a court? Rubio plainly said Ozturk's visa was revoked by the government. "If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student, and you tell us the reason you are coming to the United States is not just because you want to write op-eds, but because you want to participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus -- we're not going to give you a visa," he said. https://abcnews.go.com/US/tufts-students-visa-revoked-due-activism-rubio/story?id=120226954 I don't know nearly enough about this to comment, but this was what Rubio had to say. A visa isn't a right it's a privilege. Again, I need to read into this more, but what due process should she be afforded to not even be detained? He said it wasn't just what she wrote but the group she supported.
March 29Mar 29 7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Rubio plainly said Ozturk's visa was revoked by the government. "If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student, and you tell us the reason you are coming to the United States is not just because you want to write op-eds, but because you want to participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus -- we're not going to give you a visa," he said. https://abcnews.go.com/US/tufts-students-visa-revoked-due-activism-rubio/story?id=120226954 I don't know nearly enough about this to comment, but this was what Rubio had to say. A visa isn't a right it's a privilege. Again, I need to read into this more, but what due process should she be afforded to not even be detained? He said it wasn't just what she wrote but the group she supported. Supreme Court has ruled that non citizens already in the country still have a right to due process in a court of law and that is the case even for undocumented individuals. The exact details depend on the circumstances. This woman was here legally so she would be protected to a larger degree than someone here illegally. in any case, this woman didn’t do the things Rubio mentions in your post above. Are you confusing her with the guy from Columbia U?
March 29Mar 29 29 minutes ago, It Hurts said: Trump should declair himself as being a woman for a day. Would that make you feel less weird about rubbing one out to him every night? Also, "declair"
March 29Mar 29 https://x.com/WSJ/status/1905791857105195035 FDA's top vaccine official has been pushed out. In his resignation letter, he cited "misinformation and lies” from Health and Human Services Secretary RFK Jr. That's a crazy take
March 29Mar 29 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Would that make you feel less weird about rubbing one out to him every night? Also, "declair"
March 29Mar 29 1 hour ago, Diehardfan said: Rubio plainly said Ozturk's visa was revoked by the government. "If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student, and you tell us the reason you are coming to the United States is not just because you want to write op-eds, but because you want to participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus -- we're not going to give you a visa," he said. https://abcnews.go.com/US/tufts-students-visa-revoked-due-activism-rubio/story?id=120226954 I don't know nearly enough about this to comment, but this was what Rubio had to say. A visa isn't a right it's a privilege. Again, I need to read into this more, but what due process should she be afforded to not even be detained? He said it wasn't just what she wrote but the group she supported. The right to free speech is a right. Being critical of your university and requesting that they divest from companies that support Israel is not grounds for deportation. That’s just ridiculous.
March 29Mar 29 14 hours ago, Cliftoma said: Wait til they start getting laid off because nobody can afford a $80k truck. The big auto makers are going to raise the prices of their vehicles made in the USA to compensate for the slumping sales of non USA made vehicles. An auto executive source told a CNBC eporter that this will lead to an auto recession $80K? They go over that now and I can't figure out how anyone outside of the top 3% are justifying it.
March 29Mar 29 If you are a foreigner, maybe you shouldn't come over here support terrorists and protest about how horrible our country is. Just a thought.
March 29Mar 29 5 minutes ago, lynched1 said: $80K? They go over that now and I can't figure out how anyone outside of the top 3% are justifying it. Yeah, it has been a while since I purchased a new truck. I only buy Toyotas so I don't have worry about it for 2 decades
March 29Mar 29 1 minute ago, Cliftoma said: Yeah, it has been a while since I purchased a new truck. I only buy Toyotas so I don't have worry about it for 2 decades The problem with that is that it's a new Toyota. I don't like much about the last two generations of vehicles. Too much BS in them.
March 29Mar 29 18 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: The right to free speech is a right. Being critical of your university and requesting that they divest from companies that support Israel is not grounds for deportation. That’s just ridiculous. I need to read more about this specific situation. Do they have the right to revoke a visa or not though? Yeah, it will be subjective, but it's a privilege. If they deem her supporting groups pushing civil unrest it's a fine line between that and free speech. Go to other countries and see what they do. Chances are you'll be kicked as well.
March 29Mar 29 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Supreme Court has ruled that non citizens already in the country still have a right to due process in a court of law and that is the case even for undocumented individuals. The exact details depend on the circumstances. This woman was here legally so she would be protected to a larger degree than someone here illegally. in any case, this woman didn’t do the things Rubio mentions in your post above. Are you confusing her with the guy from Columbia U? I just know what you said and what I read in that article I posted. I answered about with a few other thoughts.
March 29Mar 29 26 minutes ago, Gannan said: If you are a foreigner, maybe you shouldn't come over here support terrorists and protests about how horrible our country is. Just a thought. There's a massive difference between supporting her beliefs, and thinking it's OK to revoke her visa over an opinion piece, have her detained by masked police, whisked away to a detention center without any communication with her family or lawyer for over 24 hours, and continue to hold her without charges. Free speech protection still applies to people who you disagree with.
March 29Mar 29 16 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: There's a massive difference between supporting her beliefs, and thinking it's OK to revoke her visa over an opinion piece, have her detained by masked police, whisked away to a detention center without any communication with her family or lawyer for over 24 hours, and continue to hold her without charges. Free speech protection still applies to people who you disagree with. Well, if someone asks me if people should be targeted for political beliefs or their exercise of free speech I'd say hell no. The cliche "fire in a theater" does come into play, though. I don't know a ton about this, but Rubio specifically said it wasn't because of an opinion piece. If they feel she crossed a line advocating, supporting, or participating with groups promoting civil unrest then the privilege of having a visa should be removed and she should be detained pending her being tossed out. That's how it works. Again, try that in other countries. A visa is a privilege not a right.
March 29Mar 29 5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Well, if someone asks me if people should be targeted for political beliefs or their exercise of free speech I'd say hell no. The cliche "fire in a theater" does come into play, though. I don't know a ton about this, but Rubio specifically said it wasn't because of an opinion piece. If they feel she crossed a line advocating, supporting, or participating with groups promoting civil unrest then the privilege of having a visa should be removed and she should be detained pending her being tossed out. That's how it works. Again, try that in other countries. A visa is a privilege not a right. If they had more on her I'm fairly certain they would have revealed it by now. This is more bad press for them and yet all Rubio has mentioned is vague crap like "causing a ruckus". If she was a part of some campus group that was harassing Jewish students or something like that there's no strategic reason for them not to reveal that by now. And even if you get beyond the free speech/visa issue, you see the issue with masked police abducting a person here legally, and bringing them to a detention center without any contact with their family or a lawyer for over 24 hours don't you?
March 29Mar 29 45 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: I need to read more about this specific situation. Do they have the right to revoke a visa or not though? Yeah, it will be subjective, but it's a privilege. If they deem her supporting groups pushing civil unrest it's a fine line between that and free speech. Go to other countries and see what they do. Chances are you'll be kicked as well. Well yeah that’s kinda the point isn’t it. We’re NOT those other countries. We are supposed to be the beacon of freedom in the world. The right to free speech is enshrined in our constitution. Now, of course that right is not unlimited. "You can’t yell fire in a crowded movie theatre” etc…But you can absolutely voice your opinion on a topic without fear of retribution from the government.
March 29Mar 29 1 hour ago, Gannan said: If you are a foreigner, maybe you shouldn't come over here support terrorists and protest about how horrible our country is. Just a thought. Ok but what does that have to do with the Tufts student? She did neither of those two things.
March 29Mar 29 @DrPhilly already posted the Op Ed earlier but just for completion sake Quote Quote On March 4, the Tufts Community Union Senate passed 3 out of 4 resolutions demanding that the University acknowledge the Palestinian genocide, apologize for University President Sunil Kumar’s statements, disclose its investments and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel. These resolutions were the product of meaningful debate by the Senate and represent a sincere effort to hold Israel accountable for clear violations of international law. Credible accusations against Israel include accounts of deliberate starvation and indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinian civilians and plausible genocide. Unfortunately, the University’s response to the Senate resolutions has been wholly inadequate and dismissive of the Senate, the collective voice of the student body. Graduate Students for Palestine joins Tufts Students for Justice in Palestine, the Tufts Faculty and Staff Coalition for Ceasefire and Fletcher Students for Palestine to reject the University’s response. Although graduate students were not allowed by the University into the Senate meeting, which lasted for almost eight hours, our presence on campus and financial entanglement with the University via tuition payments and the graduate work that we do on grants and research makes us direct stakeholders in the University’s stance. While an argument may be made that the University should not take political stances and should focus on research and intellectual exchange, the automatic rejection, dismissive nature and condescending tone in the University’s statement have caused us to question whether the University is indeed taking a stand against its own declared commitments to free speech, assembly and democratic expression. According to the Student Code of Conduct, “[a]ctive citizenship, including exercising free speech and engaging in protests, gatherings, and demonstrations, is a vital part of the Tufts community.” In addition, the Dean of Students Office has written, "[w]hile at times the exchange of controversial ideas and opinions may cause discomfort or even distress, our mission as a university is to promote critical thinking, the rigorous examination and discussion of facts and theories, and diverse and sometimes contradictory ideas and opinions.” Why then is the University discrediting and disregarding its students who practice the very ideals of critical thinking, intellectual exchange and civic engagement that Tufts claims to represent? The role of the TCU Senate resolutions is abundantly clear. The Senate’s resolutions serve as a "strong lobbying tool that expresses to the Tufts administration the wants and needs of the student body. They speak as a collective voice and are instrumental in enacting systemic changes.” In this case, the "systemic changes” that the collective voice of the student body is calling for are for the University to end its complicity with Israel insofar as it is oppressing the Palestinian people and denying their right to self-determination — a right that is guaranteed by international law. These strong lobbying tools are all the more urgent now given the order by the International Court of Justice confirming that the Palestinian people of Gaza’s rights under the Genocide Convention are under a "plausible” risk of being breached. This collective student voice is not without precedent. Today, the University may remember with pride its decision in February 1989 to divest from South Africa under apartheid and end its complicity with the then-boob regime. However, we must remember that the University divested up to 11 years after some of its peers. For instance, the Michigan State University Board of Regents passed resolutions to end its complicity with Apartheid South Africa as early as 1978. Had Tufts heeded the call of the student movement in the late 1970s, the University could have been on the right side of history sooner. We reject any attempt by the University or the Office of the President to summarily dismiss the role of the Senate and mischaracterize its resolution as divisive. The open and free debate demonstrated by the Senate process (exemplified by the length, open notice and substantive exchange in the proceedings and the non-passing of one of the proposed resolutions), together with the serious organizing efforts of students, warrant credible self-reflection by the Office of the President and the University. We, as graduate students, affirm the equal dignity and humanity of all people and reject the University’s mischaracterization of the Senate’s efforts. The great author and civil rights champion James Baldwin once wrote: "The paradox of education is precisely this: that as one begins to become conscious one begins to examine the society in which [they are] being educated.” As an educator, President Kumar should embrace efforts by students to evaluate "diverse and sometimes contradictory ideas and opinions.” Furthermore, the president should trust in the Senate’s rigorous and democratic process and the resolutions that it has achieved. We urge President Kumar and the Tufts administration to meaningfully engage with and actualize the resolutions passed by the Senate. This alone seems like a very flimsy reason to revoke a visa regardless of whether or not you agree. So IMO it's a case of either Rubio etc have something else on her and hasn't revealed it yet for some reason, or they're WAY overstepping their power.
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