1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

I need to read more about this specific situation. Do they have the right to revoke a visa or not though? Yeah, it will be subjective, but it's a privilege. If they deem her supporting groups pushing civil unrest it's a fine line between that and free speech. Go to other countries and see what they do. Chances are you'll be kicked as well.

 

Yes, they can revoke a visa but it may still be contested AND they didn't just revoke a visa.

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

This alone seems like a very flimsy reason to revoke a visa regardless of whether or not you agree. So IMO it's a case of either Rubio etc have something else on her and hasn't revealed it yet for some reason, or they're WAY overstepping their power.

Apparently there is some list out there put together by some pro-Israel group that backs Trump and she's on it.  That seems to be the only thing that makes sense here though of course that is also ridiculous.

35 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Apparently there is some list out there put together by some pro-Israel group that backs Trump and she's on it.  That seems to be the only thing that makes sense here though of course that is also ridiculous.

Per the NYT article she was doxxed by the Canary Mission.  She told one of her professors it was because of the article before she was taken. 

https://canarymission.org/

Again Rubio has denied that it was based on this list, but hasn't offered anything more substantial. And I don't see how it benefits them to be coy about reasoning here. Immigration is like the one thing they have majority support for now. Having a video circulating of masked officers just abducting someone off the streets is not a good visual.

36 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Per the NYT article she was doxxed by the Canary Mission.  She told one of her professors it was because of the article before she was taken. 

https://canarymission.org/

Again Rubio has denied that it was based on this list, but hasn't offered anything more substantial. And I don't see how it benefits them to be coy about reasoning here. Immigration is like the one thing they have majority support for now. Having a video circulating of masked officers just abducting someone off the streets is not a good visual.

Yeah it isn’t going to help them with cases like these. This one won’t matter but if they get a bunch there will be a backlash from the middle. 

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

There's a massive difference between supporting her beliefs, and thinking it's OK to revoke her visa over an opinion piece, have her detained by masked police, whisked away to a detention center without any communication with her family or lawyer for over 24 hours, and continue to hold her without charges. 

Free speech protection still applies to people who you disagree with.

Is it how I would run the country? No. But people are idiots if they think Trump is going to let them waltz in here and do they. He's dying to deport muslims for any reason. She was basically asking for it. 

And technically Free Speech is for Americans. The American government can and does revoke Visas. I feel zero sympathy for her. 

1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Ok but what does that have to do with the Tufts student?  She did neither of those two things.

 

Wasn't she the one that was the Hamas sympathizer that called him a great man and went to a funeral ceremony for him?

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Is it how I would run the country? No. But people are idiots if they think Trump is going to let them waltz in here and do they. He's dying to deport muslims for any reason. She was basically asking for it. 

And technically Free Speech is for Americans. The American government can and does revoke Visas. I feel zero sympathy for her. 

lol waltz

20 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Wasn't she the one that was the Hamas sympathizer that called him a great man and went to a funeral ceremony for him?

No, you are mixing her up with someone else. All this Turkish lady did was sign the OpEd. Far as we know anyway. 

36 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

No, you are mixing her up with someone else. All this Turkish lady did was sign the OpEd. Far as we know anyway. 

I thought you'd be more upset with the story about the lady who was researching frogs from Russia that I saw as a headline yesterday. 

3 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I need to read more about this specific situation. Do they have the right to revoke a visa or not though? Yeah, it will be subjective, but it's a privilege. If they deem her supporting groups pushing civil unrest it's a fine line between that and free speech. Go to other countries and see what they do. Chances are you'll be kicked as well.

 

Americans protesting with British students against British universities are not deported. 

But I'll bet Americans protesting Russian universities would be. 

I'd rather be leaning to Western ideals than Russian.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

Is it how I would run the country? No. But people are idiots if they think Trump is going to let them waltz in here and do they. He's dying to deport muslims for any reason. She was basically asking for it. 

And technically Free Speech is for Americans. The American government can and does revoke Visas. I feel zero sympathy for her. 

It's not though.  There's legal precedent for the right to free speech extending to people here legally. So again if that's all they're going with they've WAY overstepped

32 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I thought you'd be more upset with the story about the lady who was researching frogs from Russia that I saw as a headline yesterday. 

She broke a law trying to enter the country with a banned substance in her luggage.  The border has its own set of rules and regulations.  Normally they wouldn't have been so harsh historically but they were absolutely within their rights to do what they did with her.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

And technically Free Speech is for Americans.

This is technically not true. 

43 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

She broke a law trying to enter the country with a banned substance in her luggage.  The border has its own set of rules and regulations.  Normally they wouldn't have been so harsh historically but they were absolutely within their rights to do what they did with her.

I have more concern with her being targeted and sent back to a gulag, but that's just me.

Rubio said it wasn't over what she wrote, so maybe there is more to it.

12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I have more concern with her being targeted and sent back to a gulag, but that's just me.

Rubio said it wasn't over what she wrote, so maybe there is more to it.

She has a court date setup so she is in the process of getting due process.  This one is all about the frog samples.  You'll have to give me a link to where Rubio comments on this case as I don't see one.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

She has a court date setup so she is in the process of getting due process.  This one is all about the frog samples.  You'll have to give me a link to where Rubio comments on this case as I don't see one.

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1905311116441297067?t=aVFGYn_xfdUMY3J1z42d8A&s=19

 

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1905311116441297067?t=aVFGYn_xfdUMY3J1z42d8A&s=19

Unless he comes with something more than words then I'd have to say he's totally reaching here.  All he has shown so far is the OpEd and there is no evidence whatsoever in that OpEd that anything he says here is true.  Also, suggesting that she had planned to participate in the types of activity he describes prior to submitting her visa application is disingenuous unless he can show something suggesting that his assertions are true.  The interesting part here is that he doesn't share anything specific about her case and clearly isn't up to speed on the details.

It sure seems to me like he is trying to use a general type of position on a case that doesn't apply.  I'm all for revoking visas and deporting bad actors but this one seems to be hogwash at this stage.  If I was to guess, I'd say an overly zealous lower level ICE official made a mistake.  Perhaps I'll be proven wrong.

 

 

On 3/28/2025 at 4:31 PM, jsdarkstar said:

Trump has already mentioned it, but soon, The Christian Nationalization over America is going to begin. And this isn't normal Christianity. This is akin to radical, extremist ideology. Kind of what Isis is to Islam. Be ready.

Having read this, I don't believe I'm overly concerned. Did this come from the National Enquirer or MSNBC or something?

4 hours ago, Gannan said:

Wasn't she the one that was the Hamas sympathizer that called him a great man and went to a funeral ceremony for him?

Nope

20 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Having read this, I don't believe I'm overly concerned. Did this come from the National Enquirer or MSNBC or something?

For some reason, people who have been emotionally compromised over Trump winning are convinced that the best way to slow or stop him is to exaggerate or just generally throw a fit. If they could unwad their knickers, take a Midol, and get off their ridiculous social media feeds, they'd realize that they're half responsible for the fact that the world has to deal with a second term of this guy in the first place. Yeah... we get it, he's orange. Oh and also he's orange. Did I mention he's orange? He'll handcuff his own agenda by the time the next US midterms roll around if the very intelligent resistance warriors could be just a little more strategic. Instead they're like an army of Veruca Salts.

37 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Having read this, I don't believe I'm overly concerned. Did this come from the National Enquirer or MSNBC or something?

Maybe you haven’t seen who or SecDef is, or what project 2025 is? Or maybe a skunk can’t smell his own stink? 

4 hours ago, Gannan said:

Is it how I would run the country? No. But people are idiots if they think Trump is going to let them waltz in here and do they. He's dying to deport muslims for any reason. She was basically asking for it. 

And technically Free Speech is for Americans. The American government can and does revoke Visas. I feel zero sympathy for her. 

You seem to not be familiar with the case as you thought she was the Hamas sympathizer that attended the funeral of a Hamas leader. 
Free speech extends to anyone here legally.  
Yes, Visas can be revoked, but not because the visa holder said something the government doesn’t like. 
So if this student had gone out drinking one night and drove home drunk and got a DUI, her visa could be revoked.  Whereas if she was a citizen, she could be the next Secretary of defense.

14 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

 

Above is the OpEd in the Tufts University student paper that caused Rumeysa Ozturk, a grad student from Turkey, to be apprehended without due process.  Below is the video of the apprehension.

 

 

 

@The_Omega

@The Norseman

@Procus

@Diehardfan

 

Guys - Please explain the rational to me.  What in the OpEd justifies picking this lady off the street and throwing her into detention without any opportunity to appear before a court?

Soon the Empire will take over and it won't matter if you are here illegally or not, no court, no judge, no lawyer. Deportation to an El Salvador prison where 80% die. 

Soon the Rebellion will be crushed. 

1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said:

Soon the Empire will take over and it won't matter if you are here illegally or not, no court, no judge, no lawyer. Deportation to an El Salvador prison where 80% die. 

Soon the Rebellion will be crushed.