11 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yup guess those damn kids that are born with cancer can go F off and pay their own way. Guess my otherwise healty brother in law can go f himself and his kids born with health issues and has cancer himself can go f himself.

How much have you donated to kids with cancer? How much have you given your brother in law and his kids?

Youre all full of ish. You won't give an extra dime if you don't have to.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Homosexuality is a sin. Now go cry in a corner for a while

"Hey Siri, what's the most obese state in the country?"

Come on, Michael... try it.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Show me in the constitution

How do we know they're all retarded? Because these illiterate rubes still have the nerve to talk about the Constitution.

9 hours ago, vikas83 said:

I mean, he’s not wrong. Health insurance and health care are not Constitutional rights. Either amend the Constitution, or end Medicaid, Medicare and Obamacare and make people responsible for their own costs. Having a for profit healthcare system with government payors is a debacle.

Correct, but how do you reign in pricing for healthcare to a level a hard working American can afford at this point? The horse has already left the barn.

1 hour ago, barho said:

Correct, but how do you reign in pricing for healthcare to a level a hard working American can afford at this point? The horse has already left the barn.

How does health insurance reign in the price of healthcare?

If anything, it removes healthcare from a typical capitalist dynamic because costs are hidden and healthcare organizations are incentivized to seek patients with higher insurance reimbursements (rich people) and reject those with lower reimbursements (poor people)

It actually widens the gap between the rich and poor.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

How does health insurance reign in the price of healthcare?

If anything, it removes healthcare from a typical capitalist dynamic because costs are hidden and healthcare organizations are incentivized to seek patients with higher insurance reimbursements (rich people) and reject those with lower reimbursements (poor people)

It actually widens the gap between the rich and poor.

You'd have to include heavy regulation around pricing and also contract the bulk purchase of medical equipment and medication

Seems like these states all have something in common but I can't quite put my finger on it...

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

You'd have to include heavy regulation around pricing and also contract the bulk purchase of medical equipment and medication

Why?

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Seems like these states all have something in common but I can't quite put my finger on it...

What is your point?? Just another attention starved day?

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why?

Why what?

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

What is your point?? Just another attention starved day?

I apologize for being so cryptic. What I was trying to say is that you live in a state full of incestuous, obese, idiots. That's my point

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Why what?

Why do you need heavy price regulation for healthcare?

It's just like any other industry, the market would dictate the price if healthcare organizations were subjected to market forces

In terms of medical equipment and medication, sure, bulk or group purchasing can help because of those same market forces.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

I apologize for being so cryptic. What I was trying to say is that you live in a state full of incestuous, obese, idiots. That's my point

K whatever, thanks for not addressing the topic at hand and just making childish personal attacks as always.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

K whatever, thanks for not addressing the topic at hand and just making childish personal attacks as always.

The topic at hand, brought up by you, is how fat people are, and your state is clearly the fattest. To be clear, West Virginians are poor and stupid also, but the fat part is what I thought we were talking about, were we not?

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Jesus rejected the idea of money, let alone 300lb smokers asking him to pay for their doctor bills.

Heres some reading for you, historian:

They sent some Phariseesd and Herodians to him to ensnare hime in his speech.*

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They came and said to him, "Teacher, we know that you are a truthful man and that you are not concerned with anyone’s opinion. You do not regard a person’s status but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it lawful to pay the census tax to Caesar or not? Should we pay or should we not pay?”

15

Knowing their hypocrisy he said to them, "Why are you testing me? Bring me a denarius to look at.”

16

They brought one to him and he said to them, "Whose image and inscription is this?” They replied to him, "Caesar’s.”

17

So Jesus said to them, "Repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God.” They were utterly amazed at him.f

Thanks for the non-sequitur, Jim Bakker

13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why do you need heavy price regulation for healthcare?

It's just like any other industry, the market would dictate the price if healthcare organizations were subjected to market forces

In terms of medical equipment and medication, sure, bulk or group purchasing can help because of those same market forces.

My post was from the context of having a national health care program. If you go full open market with no program then prices would be set normally as you describe but that would also mean tens of millions with no care. The only way to have a national program and lower costs is to either regulate or ensure that the govt is a massive bulk buyer.

Tens of millions of MAGA people wouldn't have any health care at all if everything was open market. Lots of those would be in WestVA.

18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The topic at hand, brought up by you, is how fat people are, and your state is clearly the fattest. To be clear, West Virginians are poor and stupid also, but the fat part is what I thought we were talking about, were we not?

That was my point, how fat people are???

Or was it that I don't want to pay for fat peoples' health insurance?

I couldn't care less where the fat person lives, be it in WV or in Michiganistan.

The fat manlet from Michigan doth protest too much.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

That was my point, how fat people are???

Or was it that I don't want to pay for fat peoples' health insurance?

I couldn't care less where the fat person lives, be it in WV or in Michiganistan.

The fat manlet from Michigan doth protest too much.

You say you don't wanna pay for fat people's health insurance and yet you still live in the fattest state in the country. Is this the part where I need to explain to you how health insurance works just like I had to explain to you how compounding interest works?

13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

My post was from the context of having a national health care program. If you go full open market with no program then prices would be set normally as you describe but that would also mean tens of millions with no care. The only way to have a national program and lower costs is to either regulate or ensure that the govt is a massive bulk buyer.

Tens of millions of MAGA people wouldn't have any health care at all if everything was open market. Lots of those would be in WestVA.

Again the "healthcare" vs. "health insurance" terminology mixup. This started as liberal propaganda intended to make it seem like people would be dying in the streets if we were not all forced to pay for insurance under penalty of jail.

In reality, it would be exactly the same as it is now in terms of availability of healthcare. All mandated insurance does is drive up costs and reset the market, and the same number of people are excluded in the end.

Hospitals, especially rural ones, are closing due to a lack of privately insured patients. You can't run a legitimate healthcare entity without privately insured patients. Otherwise it's just a race to the bottom with absolute ish quality of care, leading to eventual closure.

As much as liberals don't like it, doctors need to eat, nurses need to pay bills. These cost money.

Also, the law prevents people from being turned away at an ER regardless of ability to pay.

Again, this goes back to the whole "healthcare" vs. "health insurance" semantics. Is it the right of every person on earth to have an endless amount of free healthcare? The reality is the best way to ensure healthcare for the most people is to give them jobs so they can pay for whatever they want

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You say you don't wanna pay for fat people's health insurance and yet you still live in the fattest state in the country. Is this the part where I need to explain to you how health insurance works just like I had to explain to you how compounding interest works?

What is your point? What difference does it make where I live??

Am I responsible for the dietary and exercise habits of everyone in my state?

You're struggling to reach a point because all you wanted to do was insult me. You're a small child.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Again the "healthcare" vs. "health insurance" terminology mixup. This started as liberal propaganda intended to make it seem like people would be dying in the streets if we were not all forced to pay for insurance under penalty of jail.

In reality, it would be exactly the same as it is now in terms of availability of healthcare. All mandated insurance does is drive up costs and reset the market, and the same number of people are excluded in the end.

Hospitals, especially rural ones, are closing due to a lack of privately insured patients. You can't run a legitimate healthcare entity without privately insured patients. Otherwise it's just a race to the bottom with absolute ish quality of care, leading to eventual closure.

As much as liberals don't like it, doctors need to eat, nurses need to pay bills. These cost money.

Also, the law prevents people from being turned away at an ER regardless of ability to pay.

Again, this goes back to the whole "healthcare" vs. "health insurance" semantics. Is it the right of every person on earth to have an endless amount of free healthcare? The reality is the best way to ensure healthcare for the most people is to give them jobs so they can pay for whatever they want

I specifically avoided saying care or insurance and just went with the general term "program".

Other countries have national health programs and while they aren't perfect they do ensure a minimum amount of actual care at low costs for everyone. In many places individuals can also buy additional insurance to ensure a higher level of care. I do that here in Sweden. It gets me quicker access to care and also access to private facilities. It is far far from perfect and it costs taxpayers a lot of money but it can be done.

14 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

What is your point? What difference does it make where I live??

Am I responsible for the dietary and exercise habits of everyone in my state?

You're struggling to reach a point because all you wanted to do was insult me. You're a small child.

Imagine being a grown adult and not understanding how health insurance works.

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I specifically avoided saying care or insurance and just went with the general term "program".

Other countries have national health programs and while they aren't perfect they do ensure a minimum amount of actual care at low costs for everyone. In many places individuals can also buy additional insurance to ensure a higher level of care. I do that here in Sweden. It gets me quicker access to care and also access to private facilities. It is far far from perfect and it costs taxpayers a lot of money but it can be done.

No, you said tens of millions would be left without care. That's not true.

Come here and sprinkle magical health insurance fairy dust on all of rural WV. It wouldn't change a thing, there are no clinics or hospitals to go to.

And again, every person here is entitled to a "minimal level of care" already.

Let me ask you, what level of care is a person entitled to? Preventative care? Specialized medicine? Advanced diagnostics and imaging? Complex surgical services?

It's easy to say "everyone deserves healthcare" or "end world hunger" or "cure all diseases" but then there's reality.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Imagine being a grown adult and not understanding how health insurance works.

You have no point.

Me saying I don't want to pay for my fat neighbors health insurance is perfectly logical and reasonable. Time to scurry off now

39 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

No, you said tens of millions would be left without care. That's not true.

Come here and sprinkle magical health insurance fairy dust on all of rural WV. It wouldn't change a thing, there are no clinics or hospitals to go to.

And again, every person here is entitled to a "minimal level of care" already.

Let me ask you, what level of care is a person entitled to? Preventative care? Specialized medicine? Advanced diagnostics and imaging? Complex surgical services?

It's easy to say "everyone deserves healthcare" or "end world hunger" or "cure all diseases" but then there's reality.

If you just leave it open market for all individuals to make their own decision then of course tens of millions won’t have any care as they won’t have any insurance and won’t be able to pay for care. Just how it used to be years ago.

The amount of care is subject to the details of the program, of course. Here there are no free physicals but women over a certain age get breast cancer screening and men prostate screening. Specialists, advanced diagnostics, are covered if a referral is generated. We also have very rural areas which are far more remote than WestVA. A person may need to be transported several hours while in labor for example.

There isn’t any magical fairy dust but there are very high taxes.