17 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

It sounds like Nippon Steel is going to buy U.S. Steel but the agreement is that Nippon is going to put up $14 billion for improvements in PA including $4 for a new mill.

Yeah, not much different than what they have been planning to do all the time. They added 4trillion and a new mill to the deal. Trump gets a win here.

8 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Hilarious when libs try to advocate for socialized health insurance by invoking Jesus.

For the record, should we follow all of his teachings?

Funny how some Christians dismiss the teachings of the kind and compassionate Jesus.

There is a lot of room between socialized healthcare and "F my unfortunate neighbors.”

6 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

"Nobody wanted to sign up for the military under Joe Biden.” He says to a class of graduates that signed up under Joe Biden.

If this was a random person we’d be saying "yo come get ya grandpa he got off at the wrong stop again.”

Dementia Donny

14 hours ago, barho said:

Correct, but how do you reign in pricing for healthcare to a level a hard working American can afford at this point? The horse has already left the barn.

That’s what happens in any system with unlimited government funding. See higher education.

The eventual outcome is happening. The wealthy are completely opting out of the system via concierge doctors, and those doctors are leaving the insurance based system altogether. This leaves a crappy system for the masses with inferior doctors and care. Basically, 99% get terrible care.

12 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

My post was from the context of having a national health care program. If you go full open market with no program then prices would be set normally as you describe but that would also mean tens of millions with no care. The only way to have a national program and lower costs is to either regulate or ensure that the govt is a massive bulk buyer.

Tens of millions of MAGA people wouldn't have any health care at all if everything was open market. Lots of those would be in WestVA.

Yeah. People who can’t afford it won’t get it. Welcome to capitalism. If we are going to have a capitalist system for health care, then there will be people who go without. What you can’t have is a hybrid system based on capitalist principles that must also provide universal care. You have to pick a lane.

I choose capitalism, as it has always shown to provide superior outcomes. And I accept this means some will not be able to afford certain treatments, because I am an adult who realizes you simply can’t deliver high quality products to everyone at low costs.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Yeah. People who can’t afford it won’t get it. Welcome to capitalism. If we are going to have a capitalist system for health care, then there will be people who go without. What you can’t have is a hybrid system based on capitalist principles that must also provide universal care. You have to pick a lane.

I choose capitalism, as it has always shown to provide superior outcomes. And I accept this means some will not be able to afford certain treatments, because I am an adult who realizes you simply can’t deliver high quality products to everyone at low costs.

Right. The alternative is the system that provides what you would consider low quality care to everyone while the people with enough money continue to get great care, I.e. don’t be poor. The cost is higher taxes but the benefit is that the poors accept the situation and society is more stable. As you rightly point out there is no free lunch.

41 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

He doesn't know maths because he has advanced dementia

2 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Only like 11% of Harvard's operating budget comes from federal research funds.

Over 4x that, almost half of Harvard's funding, comes from its endowment and philanthropic donations.

Yet again Trump's lemmings will continue following his dope off a cliff.

15 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Right. The alternative is the system that provides what you would consider low quality care to everyone while the people with enough money continue to get great care, I.e. don’t be poor. The cost is higher taxes but the benefit is that the poors accept the situation and society is more stable. As you rightly point out there is no free lunch.

Stability? You mean stagnation

Capitalism seeks efficiency. Creative destruction and all. You have to let the failures fail. We also have to stop wasting money keeping dying old people alive

7 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Stability? You mean stagnation

Capitalism seeks efficiency. Creative destruction and all. You have to let the failures fail. We also have to stop wasting money keeping dying old people alive

Fully unfettered capitalism isn’t pure good.

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Fully unfettered capitalism isn’t pure good.

Of course not, but no one is lobbying for anarchy and unrest. Humans are awful, even the alleged hard working poors. Lazy and stupid are every bit as real, and far more common, than greed.

What capitalism does far better is keep a system

Sustainable

What a pile of crap

3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Of course not, but no one is lobbying for anarchy and unrest. Humans are awful, even the alleged hard working poors. Lazy and stupid are every bit as real, and far more common, than greed.

What capitalism does far better is keep a system

Sustainable

No and I’m not lobbying for anarchy either. I think it is more about a trade off as the wealth gap gets large. Greed is a normal human trait unfortunately. So a bone to the masses. Yes some lazy sheets will take advantage as always. Offset with lower income tax rates which are moved into a VAT instead. I’d be happy with a flat tax as well but then get rid of the deductions.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

What a pile of crap

He's such a piece of ish. He has absolutely zero respect for our country and our values. The end of his term can't come soon enough.

9 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

No and I’m not lobbying for anarchy either. I think it is more about a trade off as the wealth gap gets large. Greed is a normal human trait unfortunately. So a bone to the masses. Yes some lazy sheets will take advantage as always. Offset with lower income tax rates which are moved into a VAT instead. I’d be happy with a flat tax as well but then get rid of the deductions.

There is no tax rate that can support that system. Thats the point. It was always go under as people demand more but want to pay less

I am all for a consumption tax but only if you ban income tax. Which will never happen. You just get both which is what a vat does

13 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

more?

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

There is no tax rate that can support that system. Thats the point. It was always go under as people demand more but want to pay less

I am all for a consumption tax but only if you ban income tax. Which will never happen. You just get both which is what a vat does

Of course there is a rate. Maybe not one you are willing to pay. Don’t forget that the care is triaged in those types of systems. You are not giving blue cross blue shield private doctor levels to anyone. You want that and have the means then you buy it.

2 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

more?

They aren’t even trying to persuade the men

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Of course there is a rate. Maybe not one you are willing to pay. Don’t forget that the care is triaged in those types of systems. You are not giving blue cross blue shield private doctor levels to anyone. You want that and have the means then you buy it.

No. There isnt. Because scale and expectations do nothing but expand as politicians use it to buy votes. Immense creep over time

I think the education analogy is a good one. Tuition costs grew higher than the rate of inflation and it just became not worth the return on investment. Consequently we are seeing campuses close (Penn State just closed 7). The market is correcting itself. You would likely see something similar with health care. To some degree we are already seeing it. Chester Crozier just closed for example. Medicare/Medicaid/ and illegals needing care are draining the system.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

They aren’t even trying to persuade the men

If they really want there to be more babies they just have to repeal child support laws.

Just now, Gannan said:

I think the education analogy is a good one. Tuition costs grew higher than the rate of inflation and it just became not worth the return on investment. Consequently we are seeing campuses close (Penn State just closed 7). The market is correcting itself. You would likely see something similar with health care. To some degree we are already seeing it. Chester Crozier just closed for example. Medicare/Medicaid/ and illegals needing care are draining the system.

And there are way too many low-quality online diploma mills.