8 hours ago, Lambo said:

Trump reverses course on Ice raids at farms and hotels.

Looks like West Virginia’s are ready to get back to work.

taco

11 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

And what exactly am I not sticking with? I've been saying for the past few days I don't want us involved. In April I was glad he didn't listen to the hawks and get us involved. Israel is taking care of things and they don't need us past a MOP, so I hope he sits it out, but if he uses them whatever. If we get boots on the ground that's another level. Six days in and nothing has happened on our end.

PS Again, Israel has virtually taken out their air defense systems since I wrote that in April. The hard work is done. If they drop a few 57s and finish the job it's a lot different than going in first like Israel did. Not rooting for it but not going to be upset.

Exacly. If it doesnt happen good. And if it happen, that good too.

18 minutes ago, Bear Grylls said:

Exacly. If it doesnt happen good. And if it happen, that good too.

No, if it doesn't happen and they get a deal good.

With Israel starting it as Gan and many of us said in the Iran thread it's not upsetting that Iran is getting knocked to crap.

So if they still choose to not fully cave in negotiations and he decides to finish the sites with a MOP, then I can live with it.

Even if it's not what many of us prefer one way or another we might as well take advantage of what Israel has done.

16 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

So if they still choose to not fully cave in negotiations and he decides to finish the sites with a MOP, then I can live with it.

Oh thank goodness, for a while there I was worried Trump was gonna do something you wouldn't be able to live with.

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Oh thank goodness, for a while there I was worried Trump was gonna do something you wouldn't be able to live with.

Well, tell me where you disagree.

Did you want Israel to start this? I didn't

Did you want us to go with them? I didn't.

Six days in are you glad we haven't? I am

Do you prefer negotiations? I do

If they won't cave in negotiations do you want the sites left there with the job half done? We finish them or leave them. Those are the options at that point.

Do we want boots and tanks on the ground fighting a full scale war? I doubt many do.

So again, where do we differ?

Trump didn't start this but he has to make choices now. Leave it half done if they refuse our terms and they should be our terms with how Israel is crippling them or we finish the job they started.

Hopefully, it's through negotiations, but who honestly thinks total inaction if they don't work is the best option?

11 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

And what exactly am I not sticking with? I've been saying for the past few days I don't want us involved. In April I was glad he didn't listen to the hawks and get us involved. Israel is taking care of things and they don't need us past a MOP, so I hope he sits it out, but if he uses them whatever. If we get boots on the ground that's another level. Six days in and nothing has happened on our end.

PS Again, Israel has virtually taken out their air defense systems since I wrote that in April. The hard work is done. If they drop a few 57s and finish the job it's a lot different than going in first like Israel did. Not rooting for it but not going to be upset.

So the same amount of involvement we had with Ukraine except this time it's ok because Trump.

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

So the same amount of involvement we had with Ukraine except this time it's ok because Trump.

Except this time it's a country who was formed with the religious goals of bringing their messiah through an apocalyptic battle and openly call for the destruction of America. We can talk about how close they are or aren't to one, but it can't be disputed they are trying.

Israel forced this situation. So we leave it or try to negotiate or finish the sites.

Which goes into I'm not going to be upset about him making a decision in a situation that was forced on him, nor does it contradict my previous views.

Zeig Heil everyone.

2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

So again, where do we differ?

I have an IQ north of plant life. That's where we differ, cryhard.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

So the same amount of involvement we had with Ukraine except this time it's ok because Trump.

Yeah but the Israelis are the Chosen People of God, and also the Iranians are brown. That's why it's okay this time.

57 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

openly call for the destruction of America

Whereas Russia only calls for the destruction of America behind closed doors, which makes it much different!

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I have an IQ north of plant life. That's where we differ, cryhard.

You are miserable and angry and use this area to fill some holes in your life.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Whereas Russia only calls for the destruction of America behind closed doors, which makes it much different!

If you think religious people seeking the end of the world is the same it's not.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You are miserable and angry and use this area to fill some holes in your life.

You, on the other hand, seem very normal.

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You, on the other hand, seem very normal.

You have a good one. Try to get out and enjoy life today.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You have a good one. Try to get out and enjoy life today.

Oh I'll do my very best but no promises!

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Whereas Russia only calls for the destruction of America behind closed doors, which makes it much different!

I love how they pretend they won't fall in line if Trump gets dragged into another forever war. Within a week Tucker will bend the knee at mar-a lago and all the feckless, soulless weathervanes like kz will be praising the 5D chess.

1 hour ago, Bear Grylls said:

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

If you think religious people seeking the end of the world is the same it's not.

Good point. It's not like secular imperialist dictatorships have ever been a problem for the survival of democracy.

43 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Good point. It's not like secular imperialist dictatorships have ever been a problem for the survival of democracy.

Problem? Yes. They seek dominion. Not the same as destroy everyone to cause the literal end of the world.