November 25, 2025Nov 25 1 hour ago, Talkingbirds said:TACO Trump on ACA.https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/24/politics/gop-pushback-trump-health-care-proposalWhat this means is the Republicans will be expanding Obamacare,” said Michael Cannon, the director of health policy studies at the libertarian Cato Institute. "It’s really disheartening.”this part ...Yet those initial details immediately fell flat with much of the Republican conference on Capitol Hill on Monday, blindsiding rank-and-file lawmakers who had no idea the administration had developed its own proposal and irritating others over its support for a key element of the ACA.🤣
November 25, 2025Nov 25 1 hour ago, Talkingbirds said:TACO Trump on ACA.https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/24/politics/gop-pushback-trump-health-care-proposalWhat this means is the Republicans will be expanding Obamacare,” said Michael Cannon, the director of health policy studies at the libertarian Cato Institute. "It’s really disheartening.”But he has concepts of a plan!
November 25, 2025Nov 25 Just let the subsidies expire. They were passed as a temporary measure for COVID, and COVID is over. People need to feel the real expense. This is just more proof that government is incapable of doing anything difficult; they will just keep wasting money to buy votes. Health insurance costs this much because of Obamacare (forced coverage, unlimited demand creation). GOP should let people feel the pain. They're going to get smoked in November anyway, might as well do something right.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 if they croak due to lack of medical insurance, they should try being less poor!
November 25, 2025Nov 25 Even my employer's plan went to ish and were dropped, and I am now priced right out of any plan! So, I opted out as of Dec 1. I will still have dental and eye, will max out my HSA which will hopefully be enough for me to self-pay for the few meds I'm on and 1 physical and lab work appt. Oncologist was OK with me cancelling next appt. but I need to get an infusion for which I was already quoted. I figured all these costs out it's cheaper than paying the premiums and having a HUGE deductible. They even added a 10% coinsurance. I will be able to keep short term and long-term disability which my employer pays for me. As well as a small life insurance. I did purchase a hospital indemnity supplemental plan for like $89. per mo. if God forbid, I end up having to go to the ER or have to stay it would give me some assistance. I have 10 months til Medicare if they don't get rid of that by then./poor and royally screwed since I started working!!!!!
November 25, 2025Nov 25 24 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:if they croak due to lack of medical insurance, they should try being less poor!People are free to buy health insurance. Unless and until we pass a Constitutional Amendment making health care a right, then it is part of the economy and people need to pay for it. We can't force doctors and hospitals to work for free to provide health care at no cost. If you want government to give everyone free health care, then pass the amendment and law. But if we're going to stay a market based system, then stop having the government screw it up like they do with education -- it's not a coincidence that industries with government involvement have the highest inflation in cost.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 19 hours ago, Gannan said:Vance is so dumping her for Charlie Kirk's wifeIt's the correct move politically if he wants to be next POTUS. No doubt in my mind he's slimy enough.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 4 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:so, how much has the comey witch hunt cost the taxpayers to this point? can i get that info from DOGE?No.ReutersExclusive: DOGE 'doesn't exist' with eight months left on...The Department of Government Efficiency made dramatic forays across Washington in the early months of Trump's second term.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 1 hour ago, vikas83 said:People are free to buy health insurance. Unless and until we pass a Constitutional Amendment making health care a right, then it is part of the economy and people need to pay for it. We can't force doctors and hospitals to work for free to provide health care at no cost. If you want government to give everyone free health care, then pass the amendment and law. But if we're going to stay a market based system, then stop having the government screw it up like they do with education -- it's not a coincidence that industries with government involvement have the highest inflation in cost.Unless hospitals are directed to turn people away I'm not sure what this solves other than people owing money they'll never pay back.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 19 minutes ago, Paul852 said:Unless hospitals are directed to turn people away I'm not sure what this solves other than people owing money they'll never pay back.Hospitals should be allowed to turn people away if they can't pay.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 42 minutes ago, vikas83 said:Hospitals should be allowed to turn people away if they can't pay.For emergency care? Never going to happen.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:For emergency care? Never going to happen.If someone is critical, they get stabilized and then released. But go to the ER with a random pain or illness -- get lost.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:For emergency care? Never going to happen.No, hospitals generally cannot turn away patients without insurance for emergency medical conditions, due to the federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA). This law requires hospitals that accept Medicare to provide a medical screening, stabilizing treatment, and transfer for any patient presenting with an emergency medical condition, regardless of their ability to pay. However, for non-emergency care, hospitals can refuse treatment based on the patient's inability to pay and may discharge or transfer them.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 47 minutes ago, vikas83 said:Hospitals should be allowed to turn people away if they can't pay.A developed country will never allow people to die in the street. There needs to be a better solution.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:If someone is critical, they get stabilized and then released.Ok. And then who pays?
November 25, 2025Nov 25 1 minute ago, vikas83 said:If someone is critical, they get stabilized and then released.But go to the ER with a random pain or illness -- get lost.I don't necessarily fully disagree there's an issue. The problem is how do you figure that out without at least an evaluation. Are you relying on a triage nurse in the waiting room to tell em "get lost?" What if it's someone who is probably just constipated but the pain is more in the bottom right, do you do a CT to rule out an appy? What if they have upper respiratory symptoms but could have a pneumonia? Does a doctor listen to their lungs? A mom comes in with a fussy baby. Is it colic or do they have intussusception? There's so many factors there that make that virtually impossible to pull off.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 1 minute ago, Paul852 said:A developed country will never allow people to die in the street. There needs to be a better solution.Well that was happening in America before the Affordable Care Act. Where people with pre existing conditions were tossed out. Trump longs for the day when we can go back to do that to our Citizens.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 1 hour ago, Paul852 said:Ok. And then who pays?We all do through higher prices.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 1 minute ago, vikas83 said:We all do through higher prices.Right. So nothing changes.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:Right. So nothing changes.Right now, hospitals care for anyone who goes into the ER. It should be changed to only people with critical, life threatening injuries (generally brought by ambulance). If you show up at the ER because you have the flu, or sprained your ankle, there should be no requirement to treat. If the hospital chooses to treat everyone, then they should pay for it out of charitable donations.EMTALA has been abused as people use the ER as a primary care physician.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:Right now, hospitals care for anyone who goes into the ER. It should be changed to only people with critical, life threatening injuries (generally brought by ambulance). If you show up at the ER because you have the flu, or sprained your ankle, there should be no requirement to treat. If the hospital chooses to treat everyone, then they should pay for it out of charitable donations.EMTALA has been abused as people use the ER as a primary care physician.Let's try it. I doubt it's going to have the outcome you expect (affordable healthcare)
November 25, 2025Nov 25 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:Right now, hospitals care for anyone who goes into the ER. It should be changed to only people with critical, life threatening injuries (generally brought by ambulance). If you show up at the ER because you have the flu, or sprained your ankle, there should be no requirement to treat. If the hospital chooses to treat everyone, then they should pay for it out of charitable donations.EMTALA has been abused as people use the ER as a primary care physician.How do you tell the flu from pneumonia? Or a sprain from a displaced fracture? You can't with evaluating the patient. You'd have to put in legal protection for the front desk staff who triages out patients in case they get it wrong and someone dies. Even then most emergency doctors would be incredibly uncomfortable with that arrangement. It's simply not feasible.
November 25, 2025Nov 25 2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:How do you tell the flu from pneumonia? Or a sprain from a displaced fracture? You can't with evaluating the patient. You'd have to put in legal protection for the front desk staff who triages out patients in case they get it wrong and someone dies. Even then most emergency doctors would be incredibly uncomfortable with that arrangement. It's simply not feasible.It's also devoid of humanity but that's an entirely different discussion.
Create an account or sign in to comment