November 9, 2024Nov 9 28 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: I get you are upset, but you are smarter than that What do you think the effects of tariffs would be for businesses and consumers?
November 9, 2024Nov 9 5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: What do you think the effects of tariffs would be for businesses and consumers? Potentially, the tariffs could be enough to force some businesses to move their production back to the united states in order to not have them enforced. Which in turn also creates jobs.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 9 hours ago, TEW said: This is broadly true, but you’re kidding yourself if you think the left’s identity politics hasn’t backfired. And you are delusional if you think the Trump campaign didn’t capitalize on this. Gen Z men voting red? Hello! Maybe the left’s absolutely INSANE social caste system of men below women wasn’t such a great idea, eh? Maybe demonizing the majority racial demographic of the country isn’t so smart, eh? Maybe an endlessly nagging HR culture isn’t so popular, eh? I find it hilarious that Democrats tried to brand Vance as weird. Do you not understand that normal people see the left as a freakishly weird culture? Like, absolutely bizarre with constant struggle sessions and browbeating and forced compliance which breeds deep seated resentment? Gen Z men don’t have much economic reference, and they certainly don’t understand geo-politics, but they’ve spent the last decade of their lives in institutional education systems that are explicitly hostile towards them. And they know that all of it — ALL OF IT, without exception — is from the left. I saw this meme by a Gen Zer responding to some dipsh** liberal crying about how young men voted for Trump, and I think it summarizes it pretty well: Every once in a while you make a valid point. I can't disagree with any of this.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 Trump suggests that the Republican Party help pay off the campaign debt of the Democrats who over spent by 20 million. Love it!
November 9, 2024Nov 9 55 minutes ago, Captain F said: Potentially, the tariffs could be enough to force some businesses to move their production back to the united states in order to not have them enforced. Which in turn also creates jobs. History shows that it largely doesn't work as intended.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 1 hour ago, Captain F said: Potentially, the tariffs could be enough to force some businesses to move their production back to the united states in order to not have them enforced. Which in turn also creates jobs. Except most people won’t be able to afford the added cost. What companies will do is find ways around the tariffs.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 1 hour ago, Captain F said: Potentially, the tariffs could be enough to force some businesses to move their production back to the united states in order to not have them enforced. Which in turn also creates jobs. Lots of things can "create jobs" like refusing to deploy automation at ports or in manufacturing. If you need to dig a trench, you could hire one guy in an excavator or you could hire 1000 guys and give them spoons. Inefficient protectionist nonsense is what we used to make fun of China for doing and now it's the main tenet of the GOP.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 22 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: History shows that it largely doesn't work as intended. It really depends on the product I believe. If it's a good that is already produced in the USA like say.. potatoes. It could result in the demand for domestic potatoes to skyrocket. But other goods like clothing, might not create the same result. We shall see.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 23 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: History shows that it largely doesn't work as intended. You mean those Chinese ghost cities didn't solve all their problems by "creating jobs"?
November 9, 2024Nov 9 1 hour ago, Captain F said: Potentially, the tariffs could be enough to force some businesses to move their production back to the united states in order to not have them enforced. Which in turn also creates jobs. Why do people only think about finished goods? Even if a company is forced to do what you are saying (move manufacturing) in the long run they are still going to find ways for ai or technology to replace those people because labor will always be a company's greatest expense. There are companies that already manufacture in the united states but source raw materials and components that become finished goods from other countries. Sometimes companies import materials because absolutely cannot be sourced domestically like minerals. Some of these minerals are used to make things like computer chips that are used to manufacture cars. You also have these fancy flooring and marble people like to import from Europe and South America. If it's an across the board tariff and not a targeted one then whatever cost increase a wholesaler, manufacturer, retailer experiences will be passed to the consumer in the end.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 1 hour ago, Captain F said: Potentially, the tariffs could be enough to force some businesses to move their production back to the united states in order to not have them enforced. Which in turn also creates jobs. I work in the construction industry, and the majority or raw materials, aluminum and float glass are produced in China. In our town hall on Thursday, while the CEO said he would not discuss the election, he did say they are preparing for a major price increase for the finished goods to customer Q2 next year.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 This is from end of Sept this year. What makes Bidens tariffs, or increase in tariffs any different then Trump's? @Lambo, you said specifically that Aluminum was discussed with your boss, and preparing for the price to climb. Is that due to the tariff increase that Biden made 2 months ago? Article from CNN specifically mentions aluminum.Trying to figure out how Trump is to blame for this..
November 9, 2024Nov 9 17 hours ago, lynched1 said: One poorly run company How is it a poorly run company? Think of it on a micro level. Let's say you are working for a company that could be potentially bought out by a larger one. And say that larger company is notorious for mass layoffs of employees of their newly acquired company. If someone told you in November there is a chance you could get laid off by June you would mostly likely cut back on discretionary spending especially christmas shopping.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 8 minutes ago, Captain F said: This is from end of Sept this year. What makes Bidens tariffs, or increase in tariffs any different then Trump's? @Lambo, you said specifically that Aluminum was discussed with your boss, and preparing for the price to climb. Is that due to the tariff increase that Biden made 2 months ago? Article from CNN specifically mentions aluminum.Trying to figure out how Trump is to blame for this.. tariffs are stupid regardless of which party is engaging in disproven populist economic devices. claiming that tariffs will work "this time" is as stupid as lefties claiming socialism/communism failures aren't real because "real" socialism/communism hasn't been tried yet. tariffs are harmful to the consumer. everything MAGA has convinced Americans is bad about globalism is complete and total bunk. globalism is good. and it's very good when you're the #1 consumer economy.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said: What do you think the effects of tariffs would be for businesses and consumers? Prices up. Which is why its historically has been a left thing not a right thing. in your butthurt state, you want the trumpers to be stupid and unaware of it. Bc it distracts you from a resounding loss in the election.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 11 hours ago, TEW said: This is broadly true, but you’re kidding yourself if you think the left’s identity politics hasn’t backfired. And you are delusional if you think the Trump campaign didn’t capitalize on this. Gen Z men voting red? Hello! Maybe the left’s absolutely INSANE social caste system of men below women wasn’t such a great idea, eh? Maybe demonizing the majority racial demographic of the country isn’t so smart, eh? Maybe an endlessly nagging HR culture isn’t so popular, eh? I find it hilarious that Democrats tried to brand Vance as weird. Do you not understand that normal people see the left as a freakishly weird culture? Like, absolutely bizarre with constant struggle sessions and browbeating and forced compliance which breeds deep seated resentment? Gen Z men don’t have much economic reference, and they certainly don’t understand geo-politics, but they’ve spent the last decade of their lives in institutional education systems that are explicitly hostile towards them. And they know that all of it — ALL OF IT, without exception — is from the left. I saw this meme by a Gen Zer responding to some dipsh** liberal crying about how young men voted for Trump, and I think it summarizes it pretty well: Eh, yes and no. The ish they’ve been hearing from the left isn’t good, but neither is it from the right. They need a manly figure to tell them to just suck it up. The skills are out there to learn, they just don’t want to do ish about it except sit there and bish. wah wah women don’t want to be with me. Wah wah I’m broke. I just don’t buy into it that much.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 12 minutes ago, Bill said: They need a manly figure to tell them to just suck it up. The skills are out there to learn, they just don’t want to do ish about it except sit there and bish. wah wah women don’t want to be with me. Wah wah I’m broke. Buncha whiny little cucks who somehow see Trump as a "Big, strong man" and need daddy to calm their fears and help them find other people to blame for their sad, pathetic lives, all while actually treating them like $hit and making them his b|tches.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 2 minutes ago, Bill said: Eh, yes and no. The ish they’ve been hearing from the left isn’t good, but neither is it from the right. They need a manly figure to tell them to just suck it up. The skills are out there to learn, they just don’t want to do ish about it except sit there and bish. wah wah women don’t want to be with me. Wah wah I’m broke. I just don’t buy into it that much. I mean, isn’t this EXACTLY what all the popular social media people on the right are telling men? I’m not a big fan of him, but isn’t that the whole Jordan Peterson meme about "clean your room?” I don’t listen to Joe Rogan, but he’s an MMA guy. I have to imagine he’s laughing at the insanity of the left and encouraging men to go to the gym, learn to fight, and suck it up and start bettering themselves. Heck, take Andrew Tate. I was YEARS ahead of the general public in hating him, but that’s his exact message — suck it up, make money, no one cares about you so it’s your job to get yours. Did he exploit this? Yes. Is he a scumbag? Yes. But this IS the message the Trump aligned social media sphere is telling them. And here’s the difference — they actually acknowledge young men’s plight, while offering some semblance of a masculine solution. The left? It’s a ****ling gaggle of harpies telling them they’re inherently bad, to get in the back of the line, that they don’t matter, that it’s not their turn. There was an entire social media trend of women rather being with a bear in the middle of the woods than with a man. The left told young men that they hate them, that they are evil and lesser than, and the young men listened.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 1 hour ago, Captain F said: This is from end of Sept this year. What makes Bidens tariffs, or increase in tariffs any different then Trump's? Here is a good read on the impacts of tariffs the last 8 years, especially focuses on price increase vs its impact on US domestic production. https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/section-232-tariffs-steel-aluminum-2024/
November 9, 2024Nov 9 31 minutes ago, TEW said: I mean, isn’t this EXACTLY what all the popular social media people on the right are telling men? No. Theyre telling them to be a-holes, but they’re not telling them to suck it the F up. Even in those rare instances where they’re telling them, it’s about fitness and nothing else. They need to be told to suck it up across the board. And they blame women for crap but tbh they just don’t know how to interact with people, women included.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 1 hour ago, Captain F said: What makes Bidens tariffs, or increase in tariffs any different then Trump's? Nothing. Tariffs are bad regardless of who initiates them. There may be some arguments for targeted tariffs, but they are a tax that consumers pay. It’s a lie that foreign companies pay them.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 1 minute ago, Bill said: No. Theyre telling them to be a-holes, but they’re not telling them to suck it the F up. Even in those rare instances where they’re telling them, it’s about fitness and nothing else. They need to be told to suck it up across the board. And they blame women for crap but tbh they just don’t know how to interact with people, women included. I think you’re just wrong on this. Jordan Peterson is telling men to be A-holes? Joe Rogan? Come on man. I think they’re goofy caricatures of aspiration, but they aren’t telling people to be Aholes. They’re doing exactly what you said — go become useful, well rounded members of society. But in any case, what you think young men should be told is irrelevant. We are talking about elections, and one side was CLEARLY effective and one side CLEARLY wasn’t.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 When it comes to understanding why more young men can't relate to or know how to talk to women, I'd say it's pretty obvious that TEW is the subject matter expert we should all listen to.
November 9, 2024Nov 9 12 minutes ago, TEW said: I think you’re just wrong on this. Jordan Peterson is telling men to be A-holes? Joe Rogan? Come on man. I think they’re goofy caricatures of aspiration, but they aren’t telling people to be Aholes. They’re doing exactly what you said — go become useful, well rounded members of society. But in any case, what you think young men should be told is irrelevant. We are talking about elections, and one side was CLEARLY effective and one side CLEARLY wasn’t. Except I’m not wrong. Im not sure if you’ve ever regularly seen the type of social media grift that gen z is subjected to. Or interacted with gen z males. It’s a lot of crap they’re getting force fed. To be fair, gen z females are getting fed a lot of ish, too. Regarding the election, gen z didn’t vote in enough numbers to effect anything, anyway. What was effective was selling the vibes. Selling policies is done, man. People are politically illiterate and are just going to vote their feels.
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