4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Because it just makes logical sense. We can take 10 years to implement and Trump can pay personally once we put him away and seize his assets. We can start with any photo ID for now and offer free national IDs to anyone that wants one. Over time the criteria and process can be improved. Don’t make it so binary.

"It makes sense" isn't really an answer. You need to demonstrate that there's a problem that needs fixing (there isn't). Even if there was you need to offer free photo ID to all registered voters which won't be cheap and won't be the solution MAGA actually proposes. The reality of the voter ID proposals is you're going to prevent way more citizens from voting then you will illegals. By a massive margin.

We've had the right vs privilege debate with voting before, but at the very least voting carried constitutional protection through the 24th to prevent anyone from putting financial barriers to voting. Which is exactly what these proposals do.

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

Why? Even when I get flagged for something like Nyquil they just ask me to punch in my birth date. Couldn't tell you the last time a grocery store required my ID.

Cold medicine

Then yesterday to buy some Guiness

Are all these poor disenfranchised people not buying cold medicine or alcohol all their lives? Lack of ID is such a false narrative

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Cold medicine

Then yesterday to buy some Guiness

Are all these poor disenfranchised people not buying cold medicine or alcohol all their lives? Lack of ID is such a false narrative

That is to prove your date of birth, not to prove your US citizenship, you dork. Are we trying to prevent minors from voting now?

14 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

which won't be cheap and won't be the solution MAGA actually proposes.

BuT We CaN JuSt sEiZe TrUmP's AsSeTs To PaY fOr iT

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

BuT We CaN JuSt sEiZe TrUmP's AsSeTs To PaY fOr iT

I assumed he was joking with his post. Was he being serious?

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Cold medicine

Then yesterday to buy some Guiness

Are all these poor disenfranchised people not buying cold medicine or alcohol all their lives? Lack of ID is such a false narrative

"Illegals are voting in any significant number" is the false narrative here. The number of documented voter fraud is in the double digits over decades (not just illegals, total). The number of citizens who currently don't have photo ID is in the millions.

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Lack of ID is such a false narrative

No, the false narrative is that non-citizens are voting illegally. Show me the actual evidence that this is a problem worth addressing, and then I'll agree we should spend a non-trivial amount of money to address it. Until then, it's another baseless talking point when we've got far larger problems to address. Reals over feels.

13 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

"It makes sense" isn't really an answer. You need to demonstrate that there's a problem that needs fixing (there isn't). Even if there was you need to offer free photo ID to all registered voters which won't be cheap and won't be the solution MAGA actually proposes. The reality of the voter ID proposals is you're going to prevent way more citizens from voting then you will illegals. By a massive margin.

We've had the right vs privilege debate with voting before, but at the very least voting carried constitutional protection through the 24th to prevent anyone from putting financial barriers to voting. Which is exactly what these proposals do.

That’s stupid. All kinds of things are done in the world to prevent or mitigate potential problems. Yeah, I’ve said probably 25x in here that free IDs need to be part of any solution. I’ve also said many times that the current SAVE proposal is a solid NO. Don’t judge this long term topic solely on the sheet of the current context in any case. Let me reiterate for the 26th time that the current proposal is a straight NO for me. Seems every single poster just wants to cherry pick part of what I’m saying.

26 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

With your jeans on. Things that very normal people do all the time.

what, you haven't jumped into a jacuzzi in your levis while chugging some teet juice and jamming to trailer trash rock at least twice this week?

Just now, DEagle7 said:

"Illegals are voting in any significant number" is the false narrative here. The number of documented voter fraud is in the double digits over decades. The number of citizens who currently don't have photo ID is in the millions.

Beat me to it

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I assumed he was joking with his post. Was he being serious?

He's old and lives in another country while pretending he's plugged in to what's going on here. Who the F knows when he's being serious and when he's being stupid.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

That’s stupid. All kinds of things are done in the world to prevent or mitigate potential problems. Yeah, I’ve said probably 25x in here that free IDs need to be part of any solution. I’ve also said many times that the current SAVE proposal is a solid NO. Don’t judge this long term topic solely on the sheet of the current context in any case. Let me reiterate for the 26th time that the current proposal is a straight NO for me. Seems every single poster just wants to cherry pick part of what I’m saying.

Ok. But your ideal scenario will never happen. So why try to "mitigate a potential problem" that we have documented proof doesn't exist when you know one side is doing it solely to disenfranchise people it doesn't want voting?

Just now, DEagle7 said:

Ok. But your ideal scenario will never happen. So why try to "mitigate a potential problem" that we have documented proof doesn't exist when you know one side is doing it solely to disenfranchise people it doesn't want voting?

Because both sides, man. Both sides.

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

That’s stupid. All kinds of things are done in the world to prevent or mitigate potential problems.

What a simple-minded answer. Pretend it's your money being spent (because it is). There is no "potential problems". Voter fraud has been exhaustively investigated since 2020 with NOTHING found. What are we doing here?

BTW - how's that whole federal grand jury nothingburger, i mean investigation into the obama officials going? weren't they supposed to convene in mid january?

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

@Procus

you've been right this whole time, illegals are trying to steal elections!!!!

29 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

That is to prove your date of birth, not to prove your US citizenship, you dork. Are we trying to prevent minors from voting now?

So they can actually get ID easily you say? Is not a passport or birth certificate the easiest way to procure said date of birth proof?

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

BTW - how's that whole federal grand jury nothingburger, i mean investigation into the obama officials? weren't they supposed to convene in mid january?

I've been told 2 weeks.

21 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

"Illegals are voting in any significant number" is the false narrative here. The number of documented voter fraud is in the double digits over decades (not just illegals, total). The number of citizens who currently don't have photo ID is in the millions.

Except we dont know that…bc we dont demand proof. Why not take an easy safeguard on such an allegedly vital process/right?

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

So they can actually get ID easily you say? Is not a passport or birth certificate the easiest way to procure said date of birth proof?

Explain to me what problem we are trying to solve by requiring IDs while voting (when you already proved citizenship when you registered). Layout why this makes sense. I want the scenarios you think are happening. For the love of God, one of you have got to give me logic for all this money we are about to spend.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Except we dont know that…bc we dont demand proof. Why not take an easy safeguard on such an allegedly vital process/right?

It's been investigated ad nauseum man. Over decades. Trump has been beating this drum since 2020 and they have found exactly 1 case of an illegal voting. You don't think they could find something more than that if it was a widespread problem? Really?

As for "why not", that's simple. As long as those IDs cost money it violates the 24th amendment. You can't put a financial barrier between a citizen voting. No matter how trivial you find it personally.